Patch 1.08 notes and discussion (June 8, 8AM PDT)

Agreed.  If they try to make a different character for everyone they might as well just make a dating simulator.  Just make a few LI's, make them good, and make them player-sexual and put more time back into the other areas of the game.  If someone is phobic enough they can't pretend to date bisexual pixels, well, that's on them.

Again, this was tried and failed.

No it did not. People just made it an issue because Anders kissed their male mc when they did not want it. That was the only real issue.

I agree to some extent. But Video games are crafted in the manner most films are implemented....rough draft, plot, filming (developing for games) polishing (editing for movies) and so forth. My point is that for games the plot is devised and created in the same manner as games. Do you think that if fans wanted han solo to be gay, the writers would add content to the movie to make it so?

I don't have an issue with LI in Mass Effect overall, but I think it becomes a problem when we artificially and mechanically invoke personalities on characters that the writers would not have otherwise touched. I don't want to talk in circles, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I just don't want this thing to turn into "hey this group is being left out...put this in here...oh what about this group?"

I'm African American and I have been playing games where the main character was white since the beginning of time. I never had an issue with it...yes the race argument is different from this sexual one, but just trying to make a point. I never had an issue with playing as said white main character because that is what the story called for and is what the writers wanted. I never worried about it because the game was interestingly written and it had implemented strong character development (Thinks of how I played a white default male Shep and thinks of how interesting the characters was well written in ME2 and 3)

I never thought "hey why isn't a black guy leading this game?"...nope if the game called for a black guy leading the charge and it is well written i'm all for it. Same applies here. If the game calls for these certain elements to be in the game, so be it, but it should not be implemented in an artificial or mechanical "checking off the list" manner....

From what I remember about DA2 is people was upset about a gay companion hitting on them all the time and if they turned him down he would get upset with them not that all characters was bi. Bioware didn't bother to add a netrual option to turn him down.

Yeah, that's a more accurate way to describe it. Some players are too stupid to just ignore the approval hit.

But playersexual NPCs were plenty unpopular on their own, even ignoring the Anders business.

but being gay is not a personality and it does not cuter anything established about the character. It's a good idea to do it with care with these changes but don't say not to do it at all just because of the possibility it can be done badly.

no it was not. Every complaint began and ended with Anders. His kiss the mc when they did not want it or if he was confirmed or not confirm in Da awakening as straight. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE ARGUEMENT.
It stupid then and it was stupid now.

And there was a neutral way out of it. I got it even time with out end knowing there was an issue with a forced kiss 5o be avoided.

I'm either very tired, or my eyesight is getting worse. I could have sworn that said Sanders as in Col. Sanders. 😂 maybe I'm tired and hungry.

All the time? I only remember one instance during the first meeting and if you turned him down, you didn't hit on you again. I remember people talked about Dorian hitting on them when you need to flirt with him first for him to even respond to your flirt. 

People just seem to make it seem like Anders constantly preying on their heterosexual or something.



Bioware has already stated that they would not let NPC hit on protagonists again, so whether people are playersexual, unless you hit on them, you wouldn't know. Without meta knowledge, many people didn't even know Gil is gay, and he was just having a kid with a woman he loves. I don't care if it's set sexuality or playersexual. If they want to do playersexual, I would prefer for them to do things like Jaal, both reacting to the protagonist differently. This way, it's less of playersexual but more bisexuality where the LI recognizes that the person in front of them is either a boy or a girl. 

+1 playersexual romance options. MEA was garbage compared to other BW games of the past. Nothing in MEA even came close to the Trespasser DLC, and I didn't even romance Solas.

Truth be told, none of the romances in any of BW's games made the games great. They were just nice additions.

And hey at least with playersexual romances, everyone can have a Cullen. No more bitching about why a romance option won't fuck the PC.