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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:28:06 GMT
I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Jaal. But this conversation is hilarious. Are people actually saying that fan pressure had nothing to do with Jaal being made bi. Do people actually think that Bioware just sat down one day and said we need to fix this achievement, best way is to make Jaal Bi, and that was all that went into it. I mean C'mon on. They obviously caved to fan pressure. They may as well just make every character in the next DA bi, and let everyone romance who they want. It would take characteristics away from LIs, DA devs would never do that...What's that? DA2 had it?... Shit having a character be bi is taking things away?
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 6, 2017 21:28:27 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange.
Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO.
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Post by cotheer on Jun 6, 2017 21:28:32 GMT
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 6, 2017 21:28:54 GMT
You know who's going like this patch? Players who played as a male Ryder and wanted to romance Jaal but couldn't. Now they got that option. The rest of the players will, uh, you know, play as they have been playing for 2 months now...big change right? BioWare would also make more players happy if they made Suvi bi, but that's not going to happen. BioWare can't decide what they want to do with romances. Supposedly they are in favor of set sexuality (Gaider went on record stating his preference to that over everyone bi ala DA2), but apparently its "set sexualities, so long as someone doesn't get too bothered by it" Or to fulfill an achievement. Common sense says to change the achievement instead of screwing with the writers vision.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 21:29:49 GMT
I think that offering explanations and elaborations was still a concession to upset fans rather than an independent initiative to clarify their own work. They didn't alter the ending itself (except in superficial ways) and that's to be commended, but they did still let themselves be cowed by upset fans rather than stick by their original intentions. the only thing that did not change were the choices and that's it. nothing was added that couldn't have been inferred. Sure they ruled out the galactic dark age that so many people latched onto, but that's really it.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 21:30:42 GMT
BioWare would also make more players happy if they made Suvi bi, but that's not going to happen. BioWare can't decide what they want to do with romances. Supposedly they are in favor of set sexuality (Gaider went on record stating his preference to that over everyone bi ala DA2), but apparently its "set sexualities, so long as someone doesn't get too bothered by it" Or to fulfill an achievement. Common sense says to change the achievement instead of screwing with the writers vision. Indeed, that would have been a good option. it doesn't fo anything for the disparity in number and quality of romances, but I think such things are best left out of patches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:31:03 GMT
It would take characteristics away from LIs, DA devs would never do that...What's that? DA2 had it?... Shit having a character be bi is taking things away? Having all the characters bi takes things away
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:33:06 GMT
Kaiden says high and he's bi in me3. No one gave issue. Kaidan went through a huge character development from 1 to 3. They didn2t make him bi out of thin air oh my god......where do I even start. For one being bi, gay ,or straight is not a choice. Him being bi in me is not a character development. If there was a story about him coming out as bi then yes that would be character development...but there was not one so him being bi mean he was always bi and did not say anything about it...like tali loving Shepard in me and never said anything about it.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 21:33:51 GMT
and the drones keep on a buzzing At least I'm not a site for Bioware games continually slagging off on Bioware games. I've got plenty of nice things to say about BioWare games, just not MEA
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:34:18 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange. Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO. because screw Sara (dai)
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Post by Dukemon on Jun 6, 2017 21:35:05 GMT
Is that the moment when you can say 'DejaVu'?
Honestly, I have expected more Scenes with Scott/Gil and Ryder/Reyes romances, not this from the list. And bug fix for Kadara and the Mordin Cameo.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:35:23 GMT
OMG YES YES! YESSS!!!!YEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!Now I feel excited again!!!! Scott, now is your time. Now it's your turn to be unfrozen first! now this person.....this person seems to really like yaoi.....Free must be there favorite anime. This one doesn't like yaoi. I play games as I write my books: I have a canon. Particulary, I have my own SaraXVetra canon which I can't break (the same way I couldn't break my ShepXGarrus canon, NO, IT'S NOT A TURIAN THING... not totally ). From moment one Jaal was too much for my Sara. Too intense, too pasional. It didn't work. Vetra was a better balance. With Scott? I love Reyes, especially when he breaks all my Ryders' hearts Apart from him, I didn't find any option appealing. Cora seems like the typical love interest in a Sci-Fi movie, I like Peebee but I didn't see it worked with my Scott. I can't steal my own sister's girlfriend and Gil is OK, but I didn't feel connection. My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2017 21:35:45 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange. Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO. because screw Sara (dai) It's Sera, not Sara. Bioware needs to stop using that name. They've used every version of it now.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:36:12 GMT
having a character be bi is taking things away? Having all the characters bi takes things away what? Takes away what? How does adding so ming and not take things away from it takes thing away from it? It does not cover over what's there it adds on to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 21:36:14 GMT
Kaidan went through a huge character development from 1 to 3. They didn2t make him bi out of thin air oh my god......where do I even start. For one being bi, gay ,or straight is not a choice. Him being bi in me is not a character development. If there was a story about him coming out as bi then yes that would be character development...but there was not one so him being bi mean he was always bi and did not say anything about it...like tali loving Shepard in me and never said anything about it. people wanted him as bi and devs delivered it but with caution. They didn't just say here Kaidan is bi have a nice day. Bc that's what they did with Jaal
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:36:39 GMT
now this person.....this person seems to really like yaoi.....Free must be there favorite anime. This one doesn't like yaoi. I play games as I write my books: I have a canon. Particulary, I have my own SaraXVetra canon which I can't break (the same way I couldn't break my ShepXGarrus canon, NO, IT'S NOT A TURIAN THING... not totally ). From moment one Jaal was too much for my Sara. Too intense, too pasional. It didn't work. Vetra was a better balance. With Scott? I love Reyes, especially when he breaks all my Ryders' hearts Apart from him, I didn't find any option appealing. Cora seems like the typical love interest in a Sci-Fi movie, I like Peebee but I didn't see it worked with my Scott. I can't steal my own sister's girlfriend and Gil is OK, but I didn't feel connection. My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!! I was joking.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 21:36:48 GMT
My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!! brace yourself for disappointment. He's really not that interesting
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Post by bshep on Jun 6, 2017 21:37:34 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange. Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO. Don't forget the one in my sign. Asari i guess are a obvious choice because they are mono-gendered, but it is indeed curious how it's always the deck officer.
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Post by aglomeracja on Jun 6, 2017 21:37:40 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange. Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO. Jaal is gender fluid now. gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid" A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities." So Jaal potentially is a lesbian romance
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 21:38:40 GMT
oh my god......where do I even start. For one being bi, gay ,or straight is not a choice. Him being bi in me is not a character development. If there was a story about him coming out as bi then yes that would be character development...but there was not one so him being bi mean he was always bi and did not say anything about it...like tali loving Shepard in me and never said anything about it. people wanted him as bi and devs delivered it but with caution. They didn't just say here Kaidan is bi have a nice day. Bc that's what they did with Jaal 1. They did say kaiden is bi now have a nice time. 2.kaiden was also always panned to be bi but it was cut from me1. The voice lines are still in the game.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 6, 2017 21:39:19 GMT
This one doesn't like yaoi. I play games as I write my books: I have a canon. Particulary, I have my own SaraXVetra canon which I can't break (the same way I couldn't break my ShepXGarrus canon, NO, IT'S NOT A TURIAN THING... not totally ). From moment one Jaal was too much for my Sara. Too intense, too pasional. It didn't work. Vetra was a better balance. With Scott? I love Reyes, especially when he breaks all my Ryders' hearts Apart from him, I didn't find any option appealing. Cora seems like the typical love interest in a Sci-Fi movie, I like Peebee but I didn't see it worked with my Scott. I can't steal my own sister's girlfriend and Gil is OK, but I didn't feel connection. My Scott is rational, by the book kind of guy, sympathetic but difficult to loosen up a little. Jaal is the perfect balance for him, hell yes. I can play with that SO FINALLY I WILL SEE WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS ABOUT WITH FREAKING JAAL!!! I was joking. My interface has not being implemented with a joke patch yet
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Jun 6, 2017 21:40:13 GMT
Dear Bioware,
In the next ME game, make everyone and everything fuckable by all genders
Thank you
Bye
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2017 21:40:53 GMT
people wanted him as bi and devs delivered it but with caution. They didn't just say here Kaidan is bi have a nice day. Bc that's what they did with Jaal 1. They did say kaiden is bi now have a nice time. 2.kaiden was also always panned to be bi but it was cut from me1. The voice lines are still in the game. ME1 had Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale read all Shepard lines, even ones that were meant for only one. We see this in examples such as Male Shepard having the lines Female Shepard does to Harkin in the code. So that really doesn't imply Kaidan was planned to be bi in ME1.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 6, 2017 21:41:47 GMT
It's Sera, not Sara. Bioware needs to stop using that name. They've used every version of it now. I didn't play DAI but for a few hours, found it boring. Wasn't that Sera some kind of little hob goblin anyway? I specifically said human crew mates. Sure Liara was a great Waifu but it just find it odd we never get human female squad mates that swing my way. We are always dumped off onto the deck officer.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 6, 2017 21:42:32 GMT
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