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Post by decafhigh on Jun 6, 2017 21:44:09 GMT
As long as this is becoming a romance thread, why is it we never get a female human squadmate that is the lesbian character? Its always the Asari or the deck officer. No femShep/Ashley, Jack, Miranda and now no Sara/Cora. I hadn't really thought about it before but it does seem strange. Last time I had a really good squadmate romance was Leliana in DAO. Jaal is gender fluid now. gender.wikia.com/wiki/Gender_Fluid" A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities." So Jaal potentially is a lesbian romance Well damn. That is an interesting take on it. I give you a well done. Still doesn't solve my human problem though.
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Post by Joey on Jun 6, 2017 21:44:13 GMT
and the drones keep on a buzzing At least I'm not a site for Bioware games continually slagging off on Bioware games. And at least you're not here to troll LGBT fans with useless and tiring comments in Character romance thread like... other users <looks up>
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 6, 2017 21:45:26 GMT
At least I'm not a site for Bioware games continually slagging off on Bioware games. And at least you're not here to troll LGBT fans with useless and tiring comments in Character romance thread like... other users <looks up> yes, as we all know, disagreement equals trolling! Also, I'm not the one dredging it up on other threads.
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Post by linksocarina on Jun 6, 2017 21:47:29 GMT
To be fair, they never catered to any fans regarding Mass Effect 3's ending. The ending is still the same, the only thing added was a coda. I think that offering explanations and elaborations was still a concession to upset fans rather than an independent initiative to clarify their own work. They didn't alter the ending itself (except in superficial ways) and that's to be commended, but they did still let themselves be cowed by upset fans rather than stick by their original intentions. Unfortunately, that is the fickle nature of this whole enterprise. Fans think they run things. More and more it seems to be true.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 6, 2017 21:47:55 GMT
Kaidan went through a huge character development from 1 to 3. They didn2t make him bi out of thin air oh my god......where do I even start. For one being bi, gay ,or straight is not a choice. Him being bi in me is not a character development. If there was a story about him coming out as bi then yes that would be character development...but there was not one so him being bi mean he was always bi and did not say anything about it...like tali loving Shepard in me and never said anything about it. Hmmm, who says Kaidan is not already bi in ME1 and it's just that no romance with maleShep came together in that situation? IIRC, there is no line in ME1 that specifically says that Kaidan is not bisexual. He just doesn't talk about it in the context of the game, just like everyone says Hainly shouldn't have.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jun 6, 2017 21:48:22 GMT
Sorry, but why exactly is it a really bad idea? Changing a piece of lore just for fan service, there is no logical explanation for that HATERS ON THE LEFT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE HAVE A SQUADMATE! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 6, 2017 21:49:05 GMT
It's Sera, not Sara. Bioware needs to stop using that name. They've used every version of it now. I didn't play DAI but for a few hours, found it boring. Wasn't that Sera some kind of little hob goblin anyway? I specifically said human crew mates. Sure Liara was a great Waifu but it just find it odd we never get human female squad mates that swing my way. We are always dumped off onto the deck officer. Sera:
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 6, 2017 21:50:44 GMT
I didn't play DAI but for a few hours, found it boring. Wasn't that Sera some kind of little hob goblin anyway? I specifically said human crew mates. Sure Liara was a great Waifu but it just find it odd we never get human female squad mates that swing my way. We are always dumped off onto the deck officer. Sera: Yeah that's the one. An elf I guess then. Still... not human...
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 22:12:46 GMT
Do we know when this patch will be released?
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Post by eisenhorn on Jun 6, 2017 22:13:12 GMT
The bald hair option made me lol. Indeed. Each gender can now use the others styles, which is ok. But the only new one they added being a bald style is almost like bioware is becoming a caricature of themselves!
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Post by Amirit on Jun 6, 2017 22:16:06 GMT
Actually, who cares about straight women in general? Always less options than straight males (and now less than gay) - check, those LI's are among least popular squd-mates - check, available LI's can be killed during story or cheat on you - check, LI's can suddenly change their sexuality - check. Guess, straight girls still should be thankful that they are able to get some LI's at all. Really, these are just some bunch of straight women, an obvious insignificant minority in the sea of BW fans. Wait? How are you now getting less options than gay men? You have two squadmate romance options and one non-squadmate romance options Gay men have one squadmate romance option and two non-squadmate romance options. Since when did getting equal (arguably more seeing as you get two squadmate romances to gay ryder's one) treatment amount to getting less? And LIs for straight women are among the least popular squadmates? OK, Jacob wasn't the most popular character but Garrus was one of the most popular characters, Alistair is pretty popular, Cullen is pretty popular. We are talking about ME here, Alistair has nothing to do with it. And if you would look at ME, you will see the tendency - it's Kaidan was suddenly made bi and before that was practically excluded from ME2, it was Thane, who was suddenly killed, it was Jacob, who was cheating. All straight LI's for women, and both Kaidan and Jacob are far from fans favorite. Now, speaking of MEA - right, I counted lesbians as gay (guess, you did not) - and they have more options, than straight women. And now there is exactly 1 straight male in the game - Liam (the least favorite companion in the game - what a coincidence!), plus 2 bi. Seriously, I was one of the fieriest opponent of "all bi" idea, and now I officially admit it - I want it back in the games. Consistency means more that all those easily removable dialogs about set sexuality.
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Post by kino on Jun 6, 2017 22:16:17 GMT
BioWare @bioware We're improving character creator and Scott Ryder's male romance options in @masseffect's upcoming patch blog.bioware.com/2017/06/06/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-08-notes/ … static.cdn.ea.com/blog.bioware.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Jaal-2-1024x576.jpg
Mass Effect: Andromeda Patch 1.08 Notesby Author - Conal PiersePosted on - June 6, 2017 Along with continued improvements to Mass Effect: Andromeda, the upcoming patch 1.08 also addresses feedback we received from the community. Improved Character Creator We’ve expanded the options available in the character creator, giving you greater control over your Ryder’s appearance. Two new heads were added, one male and one female, as well as a new complexion option and a greater range of available skin tones. We also unlocked all hairstyles for both sexes, and added a new bald option. For players wanting to adjust their look mid-game, we added the ability to change your character’s appearance onboard the Tempest. And for fans of Alec Ryder’s iconic appearance, you can now choose to keep the default Alec, rather than having his appearance be based on your custom Ryder. Expanded Male Romance Options for Scott Ryder Scott Ryder can now pursue Jaal as a romance option. There are several important reasons for this change: Scott Ryder did not have a same-sex squadmate available as a romance option, nor could the achievement for completing three romances be achieved with only male same-sex partners. And as the angara have expressed their fluidity in how they perceive gender, it seemed only natural that Scott could have a relationship with Jaal. However, we understand that a character’s orientation is an important part of what makes them feel real. The relationships with your crew are some of the most loved and cherished parts of our games, so we wanted to make sure we got it right. We consulted with members of the LGBTQ community, both externally and within our own studios. After carefully considering all feedback, we decided this was an important change to make, and one that made sense for Jaal, Scott, and the angara. Our writing, editing, and animation teams worked together to ensure this change made sense for Jaal’s character, and the result is a relationship we hope feels as fulfilling and memorable for Scott as it does for Sara. You can find a full list of changes and improvements in the patch notes below. For notes in other languages, click here. Single player Ryder’s appearance can now be changed onboard the Tempest Expanded the range of options available in the character creator Jaal can now be romanced by Scott Ryder Dialogue for Hainly Abrams was adjusted to change the flow of personal information she discusses with Ryder. Fixed issue with Nomad upgrades Shield Crafting quest Nexus level and cryo pod points are retroactively granted Vendors now carry weapon mods for Level 60-71 players Vendors now sell weapon augmentations for automatic fire, burst fire, and single-shot fire Improved clarity of descriptions for augmentations Plasma Charge system now works properly for shotguns Beam Emitter augmentation now causes guns to fire a constant beam with scaling damage based on the weapon’s damage per second [PC] Added experimental support for Dolby Vision™ technology Multiplayer Stealth Grid challenge now increments properly Fiend no longer sprints when within 10 meters of target, and will decelerate to base speed Enabled movement correction during Fiend attacks to reduce incidence of players seeing Fiends attacking in the wrong direction Improved movement prediction for some enemies in tight spaces to reduce appearance of teleportation Fixed issue that prevented melee attacks if the revive icon was near center screen Fixed issue where ammo pick-up audio incorrectly played Fixed issue where Backlash could malfunction while moving Using Stealth and Recon Visor together no longer increases duration of invisibility for Turian Agent Fixed issue where weight reduction modifications wouldn’t reduce weight The Revive Pack Transmitter now displays the revive radius in the loadout screen Equipping the Cobra RPG now interrupts reloading Player turns to Adhi when getting synced to avoid teleportation issue Fixed issue where enemies would occasionally enter T-pose when hit Improved visual and audio cues for player ready status in Multiplayer lobbies Added “Lights” option to customization options That's quite an update release and an appreciated one. I know that many have been wanting these updates across all three platforms so to make them available as a part of the core game is impressive.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 22:21:20 GMT
oh my god......where do I even start. For one being bi, gay ,or straight is not a choice. Him being bi in me is not a character development. If there was a story about him coming out as bi then yes that would be character development...but there was not one so him being bi mean he was always bi and did not say anything about it...like tali loving Shepard in me and never said anything about it. Hmmm, who says Kaidan is not already bi in ME1 and it's just that no romance with maleShep came together in that situation? IIRC, there is no line in ME1 that specifically says that Kaidan is not bisexual. He just doesn't talk about it in the context of the game, just like everyone says Hainly shouldn't have. see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 6, 2017 22:22:48 GMT
Hmmm, who says Kaidan is not already bi in ME1 and it's just that no romance with maleShep came together in that situation? IIRC, there is no line in ME1 that specifically says that Kaidan is not bisexual. He just doesn't talk about it in the context of the game, just like everyone says Hainly shouldn't have. see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained I saw people complain about that on the old BSN forums when it happened. But then again it probably got buried in the ending debacle.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 6, 2017 22:23:12 GMT
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 6, 2017 22:23:23 GMT
Hmmm, who says Kaidan is not already bi in ME1 and it's just that no romance with maleShep came together in that situation? IIRC, there is no line in ME1 that specifically says that Kaidan is not bisexual. He just doesn't talk about it in the context of the game, just like everyone says Hainly shouldn't have. see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained Well, except the people who are complaining about Jaal now.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 6, 2017 22:25:16 GMT
see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained Well, except the people who are complaining about Jaal now. *says with the purest smile ever. and those people are asshats
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:27:00 GMT
Have to say a big kudos to Tom (Scott) and Nyasha (Jaal) for recording new lines for this patch!
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Post by kumazan on Jun 6, 2017 22:27:49 GMT
Ah, so here it comes, it seems that this time they didn't want to wait until release for the patch notes, it really was a stupid idea. I'm glad people who wanted their CC improvements and Bi Jaal got their wishes, the latter shows a lot of care from BioWare, calling the VAs back to studio for a patch must be a first? At least for BW? Precedents can be a bitch tho, they better handle this well.
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Post by shechinah on Jun 6, 2017 22:28:38 GMT
Well, except the people who are complaining about Jaal now. *says with the purest smile ever. and those people are asshats Aren't you just so darling dear. May I quote you as a response when people ask for future lesbian characters to be made bisexual and members of the gay playerbase protest? Won't those players just be, as you say, asshats for complaining about that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 22:30:34 GMT
Ah, so here it comes, it seems that this time they didn't want to wait until release for the patch notes, it really was a stupid idea. I'm glad people who wanted their CC improvements and Bi Jaal got their wishes, the latter shows a lot of care from BioWare, calling the VAs back to studio for a patch must be a first? At least for BW? Precedents can be a bitch tho, they better handle this well. I'm happy with the vendors now selling augs, but expected fixes for the few quests still bugged, I hope they make it in the next one (and that the wait is shorter now that the bigger changes are done). It seems Jaal is going to make BW/ME history.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 6, 2017 22:31:13 GMT
*says with the purest smile ever. and those people are asshats Aren't you just so darling dear. May I quote you as a response when people ask for future lesbian characters to be made bisexual and members of the gay playerbase protest? Won't those players just be, as you say, asshats for complaining about that? Context, dear. One is asking for an inequality to be corrected. The other is asking for more than they already have because none of their rather extensive options are to their personal taste.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 6, 2017 22:32:05 GMT
see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained Well, except the people who are complaining about Jaal now. I don't get why the don't make all the romances "player sexual" anyway. None of the characters and especially the romance specific content goes deep enough or in a large enough quantity for it to really make any difference. Maybe in the writer's head cannon where all these characters are immensely deep and nuanced and have long well thought out stories these details about sexuality and whatever else are big important points. Maybe. What we get in game though, a few minutes worth of character specific content its just not worth it to try and preserve something so superfluous to the game design. Especially when it creates all these problems with lack of representation here or characters missing there or someone wanting something else for that etc., etc., etc. It just seems dumb to try and separate all these characters out the way they do.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 6, 2017 22:32:38 GMT
Ah, so here it comes, it seems that this time they didn't want to wait until release for the patch notes, it really was a stupid idea. I'm glad people who wanted their CC improvements and Bi Jaal got their wishes, the latter shows a lot of care from BioWare, calling the VAs back to studio for a patch must be a first? At least for BW? Precedents can be a bitch tho, they better handle this well. I'm happy with the vendors now selling augs, but expected fixes for the few quests still bugged, I hope they make it in the next one (and that the wait is shorter now that the bigger changes are done). I'm pretty sure the VAs were there working on DLC, and for those two they included the patch lines.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 6, 2017 22:33:33 GMT
Hmmm, who says Kaidan is not already bi in ME1 and it's just that no romance with maleShep came together in that situation? IIRC, there is no line in ME1 that specifically says that Kaidan is not bisexual. He just doesn't talk about it in the context of the game, just like everyone says Hainly shouldn't have. see people. This human understands. And when he became a bi romance no one complained Wait, actually I don't understand. I mean, with Kaidan, the writers wrote a story where in ME1, Kaidan could be bi or not, it just wasn't in the plot. He is the proverbial sexual Schroedinger's cat at that point, so when ME3 came around, they could write a plot arc for him where a situation came up where he could romance a male Shep. So far so good, so fitting. I am not sure I would compare this to them patching in a romance for a character (like here with Jaal) because of fan feedback. It's not that I don't have anything against Jaal being bi, that's fine. However, the entire process (just like the Hainly issue) makes me question if the writers even have some sort of vision for their characters or story or not. For a company that used to be all about artistic integrity, it seems odd to me that they feel so comfortable just changing their stuff around after the fact. This is by far not the only indication that the writers didn't ahve a strong vision for their product, nor is it a very important one but it is yet another one IMO. Patching bugs, fine, patching animations, fine, patching even plot mistakes or adding cut content, fine, patching a new trait into (or out of) a plot arc or a character (even one that fits, like here), I have to ask myself how confident the devs are in their own product and how firmly they thought ti through in the first place. That's all I wanted to say.
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