Patch 1.08 notes and discussion (June 8, 8AM PDT)

Wait, actually I don't understand. I mean, with Kaidan, the writers wrote a story where in ME1, Kaidan could be bi or not, it just wasn't in the plot. He is the proverbial sexual Schroedinger's cat at that point, so when ME3 came around, they could write a plot arc for him where a situation came up where he could romance a male Shep. So far so good, so fitting.

I am not sure I would compare this to them patching in a romance for a character (like here with Jaal) because of fan feedback. It's not that I don't have anything against Jaal being bi, that's fine. However, the entire process (just like the Hainly issue) makes me question if the writers even have some sort of vision for their characters or story or not. For a company that used to be all about artistic integrity, it seems odd to me that they feel so comfortable just changing their stuff around after the fact.

This is by far not the only indication that the writers didn't ahve a strong vision for their product, nor is it a very important one but it is yet another one IMO. Patching bugs, fine, patching animations, fine, patching even plot mistakes or adding cut content, fine, patching a new trait into (or out of) a plot arc or a character (even one that fits, like here), I have to ask myself how confident the devs are in their own product and how firmly they thought ti through in the first place. That's all I wanted to say.

So I'm guessing pale white people are finally delighted they finally get the representation that was unjustly stolen from them.

The fact that jaal is interested in ladies does not mean he can't be interested in man, one does not negate the other. He could be a bissexual with preference for woman

And in dragon age inquisition, the straight woman got twice the amount of romance straight guy had. And really why straight woman are being brought here? Its not like they lose something with this patch, jaal is still available to straight woman. And no technically straight woman have just as much romance than gay, jaal and reyes can be romanced by both, liam is exclusively straight and gil is exclusively gay.

That's 3 for straight woman and 3 for gay male, by the way woman still have the advantage because they have two squadmates as romance which are much more developed and have more screentime and even have interesting loyalty mission contrarly to the side romance like reyes.

nothing in ME1 confirmed kaiden gender preferances but he is only allowed to be with woman in me1. That leans to being straight.then he's bi in me and no one blinks an eye. It's the same case with Jaal.heck he's too alien to have a Straight up standard confirmation.

Do we know when this patch will be released?

We are talking about ME here, Alistair has nothing to do with it. And if you would look at ME, you will see the tendency - it's Kaidan was suddenly made bi and before that was practically excluded from ME2, it was Thane, who was suddenly killed, it was Jacob, who was cheating. All straight LI's for women, and both Kaidan and Jacob are far from fans favorite.

Now, speaking of MEA - right, I counted lesbians as gay (guess, you did not) - and they have more options, than straight women. And now there is exactly 1 straight male in the game - Liam (the least favorite companion in the game - what a coincidence!), plus 2 bi.

Seriously, I was one of the fieriest opponent of "all bi" idea, and now I officially admit it - I want it back in the games. Consistency means more that all those easily removable dialogs about set sexuality.

Just fort the record - DAI was the only game where straight women got 1 more additional option with strong restrictions. One game. Out of all BW games. And again, we are talking about ME here.

Now, if you are someone who believes there are no straight people out there but only bi with preferences (btw, how come you still believe in gays in that case?) - good for you. But I had an impression the whole point of established sexuality was meant for deeper character development and to show more of character's relation with other companions. So they could tell - like Jaal - about there past loves and flirt with selective few of other companions - like Jaal - to form some specific bonds.

I do understand all reasons for changing Jaal (no, not what marketing bullshit they announced), but I also do think changing already existing character is a very bad move.

I'm not gay but I have to disagree. It fits with the lore and I'm fine with it.

Allright, let me boil it down:
Sheep and Kaidan in ME1 vs. ME3 == same people in different situations -> different outcome -> fine

Ryder and Jaal in Andromeda vs. Andromeda == same people in same situation -> different outcome -> weird

There is your difference.

Just fort the record - DAI was the only game where straight women got 1 more additional option with strong restrictions. One game. Out of all BW games. And again, we are talking about ME here.

Now, if you are someone who believes there are no straight people out there but only bi with preferences (btw, how come you still believe in gays in that case?) - good for you. But I had an impression the whole point of established sexuality was meant for deeper character development and to show more of character's relation with other companions. So they could tell - like Jaal - about there past loves and flirt with selective few of other companions - like Jaal - to form some specific bonds.

I do understand all reasons for changing Jaal (no, not what marketing bullshit they announced), but I also do think changing already existing character is a very bad move.

To be fair, Jaal was marked in the data-mine as a romance option for male ryders.

The thing was, the option wasn't completed. My guess is they changed it mid-development...so they may be changing it back. That is speculation though. 

That being said, it is curious...does that technically make Jaal fit correctly as he should be? Did they change his already existing character back to what it originally was? 

Moreso musing on that, something to think about.