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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 17:19:38 GMT
Take everything this guys says with a grain of salt... I'd have to know who he is first I guess. I feel I'm missing context here. Is he associated with BW?
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Post by llandwynwyn on Jun 7, 2017 17:19:42 GMT
Dragon Age Inquisition got great companions and amazing soundtrack, was also well written and got a lot of emotional, memorable moments. Mass Effect Andromeda got 1 great companion, 2 average and that's it; soundtrack doesn't exist, writing is childish at some points and memorable moments ? NONE. Exactly, and IMO they even fucked up the best thing they had (combat). I could forgive all DAI flaws due to writing. All of them, even the ones that annoyed me, even the static open world of theirs, because the writing was enough to sustain the game. Lore, plot* and characters. The plot by the end was the weakest, but had great moments and was well executed overall.
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Post by Furisco on Jun 7, 2017 17:20:13 GMT
Sounds like the whole Fallout 4 marketing strategy was pure bullshit.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:13 GMT
I would say that in general, Dragon Age has a history of possessing overall superior quality in terms of writing and storytelling over any Mass Effect game. Mass Effect has a lot of big ideas throughout, but they never quite come together like the best of Dragon Age. I don't know about that as the ME trilogy is much better storywise than what DA has served up but that's my opinion based on the fact I prefer sci fi over fantasy. I think both series deserve their place though as they are both fantastic series. I greatly prefer scifi over fantasy, but the way I see it, Mass Effect has largely suffered from a lack of proper planning for their overarching plotlines, and the typical DA companion character has more depth than the average of Mass Effect. Mordin and ME2 Legion are probably the only exceptions, in my opinion.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
I want Mass Effect to continue - I believe the game has been slammed unfairly hard, and I still think there is a lot of potential. I'm choosing to have faith that I won't be dissapointed. I don't want it to be continued at all costs. Apart from DAII, where I was already that disgusted by the demo that I didn't waste any money on the full game, this is by far the weakest game Bioware has released within more than a decade. I may stress, iit's not outright bad, I had fun playing it, but it didn't draw me in as other games have. Right now, I would give it a 6,5, maybe a 7 on the scale. It's not a train wreck, it's nothing to hate on, it's fun to do one or two runs, but there's nothing really memorable about it. None of the usual Bioware moments that made me all emotional in previous games.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:38 GMT
You know what, I hope EA will allow them to do a full expansion - it might not be sound economics, but if they make an amazing expansion it might help the brand recover what it lost to memes. I believe that if the team got the time and resources they could do great things, they just need guidance and a clearer vision of what they want to achieve. Totally agree on that, for me, they should just improve the game with patches and once it is done. They take their time and they make an expansion about all the plot that are still not resolved, ryder's mother, the primus, and the quarian ark, all into one expansion instead of multiple dlc. That could be great. yeah agreed either as an expansion or s DLC if they make it good they can still come out the other end smiling that they salvaged the situation somewha tbecause they managed it with DA2 so hopefully they still can with MEA. Fingers crossed anyway.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 7, 2017 17:21:48 GMT
Also, side-note, but since we now know what the truth behind Andromeda's E3-absence was (3 times!) be ready that if "Dylan" isn't shown playable as a real vertical slice of sorts or at least a trailer with a clear premise in 1 week (E3 time baby!) then BioWare's goin' down I think that's a bit of hyperbole. But there's certainly more to the delay into the fiscal year of 2018 than should meet the eye, if the company has their say. The delay happened after the Andromeda shitstorm broke. Could be mere coincidence, could be more to it. But I have to say, going by what little we know about that IP, there's a game I'm really not getting excited over the way they promoted it so far. What was it? Online experience? Couldn't care less about that. Yes, with emphasis on "disruptive" social design, whatever that means. As well as being an action game with comparisons to Destiny. I look forward to the forums burning when it's announced.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 7, 2017 17:23:13 GMT
Feels like DA2 all over again. Genuinely curious if there's going to be DLC at this point. Well if you feel it that way, DA 2 got 2 dlc And I thought both were quite good.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 7, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
Wow. Just wow. Very questionable decisions were made during the development of this game imo(seriously? 100+ explorable planets with a BioWare story? That would never work and I doubt many people bought Mass Effect because of exploration)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:23:20 GMT
Take everything this guys says with a grain of salt... I'd have to know who he is first I guess. I feel I'm missing context here. Is he associated with BW? He is the writer of the article that we are currently discussing.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 7, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
I'd have to know who he is first I guess. I feel I'm missing context here. Is he associated with BW? He is the writer of the article that we are currently discussing. Ah, okay. Thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:27:01 GMT
That reply about the DLC contradicts a lot with DLC being hinted at, so I really don't trust him.
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Post by RoboticWater on Jun 7, 2017 17:27:45 GMT
Incorrect.
In Inquisition, the roads are NOT marked on the maps, and you cannot get to many areas either by horse or on foot. You get those Operations that lock away parts of many maps. In Andromeda pretty much everything is accessible on each planet. In Inquisition you have to go there and back to Skyhold to unlock areas. In Andromeda you do it on the planet itself via Vault.
in Inquisition you had to unlock a specific amounts of Power Points to proceed with the Main Quest. In Andromeda, the story progression happens naturally, and is not locked out behind a repetitive task. You don't even have to unlock the Vaults to progress through the story.
Inquisition has most of the quests related by a text message pinned to a tree. Pretty much every quest in Andromeda has an actual Questgiver you talk to.
The romances in Inquisiton are more locked out than in Andromeda, because the restrictions are only by gender, and in Inquisition, the locks are also by your species. So it is harder to create a protagonist that can romance someone you want to romance.
Seriously, good looking cast in Inquisition? Fat old one-eyed Iron Bull as an LI and the second LI a gut who is looks like an adding biker with a gigantic beard? Cullen is on the death door, and Solas stepped out of a nightmare rather than a maiden's dream. And all of them having permanently shiny pale, pale and paler faces and brows/eyelashes that are so terrible it's better not to put them on. And you can't continue the game if you added mods that made characters look less objectionable. ye gods. First of all, most quests in Inquisition were not related to you by text. Most had non-cinematic dialog like Andromeda. Second, everything you just mentioned are minor digressions at best. The core formula, regardless of small differences in progression, is the same between the two games. Moreover, they are equally formulaic. Neither game does anything especially unique that distinguishes them from the bevy of open world action adventure games that crowd the AAA industry. They're just generic.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 7, 2017 17:30:12 GMT
SAM + Ryder + Mac saying "One of the original big ideas of the trilogy was "organics vs synthetics"" like a moron. = Organics & Synthetics, original idea -Mac Walters Well, it's not like he was comp,etely wrong about that. ME1 really does set up the series as an organic-synthetic conflict. Though of course, this could have just fizzled in later games if they'd wanted to go that route.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 7, 2017 17:32:43 GMT
SAM and Ryder's connection was one of the most interesting parts of the game IMHO, so I'm glad they put that in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:32:49 GMT
Incorrect.
In Inquisition, the roads are NOT marked on the maps, and you cannot get to many areas either by horse or on foot. You get those Operations that lock away parts of many maps. In Andromeda pretty much everything is accessible on each planet. In Inquisition you have to go there and back to Skyhold to unlock areas. In Andromeda you do it on the planet itself via Vault.
in Inquisition you had to unlock a specific amounts of Power Points to proceed with the Main Quest. In Andromeda, the story progression happens naturally, and is not locked out behind a repetitive task. You don't even have to unlock the Vaults to progress through the story.
Inquisition has most of the quests related by a text message pinned to a tree. Pretty much every quest in Andromeda has an actual Questgiver you talk to.
The romances in Inquisiton are more locked out than in Andromeda, because the restrictions are only by gender, and in Inquisition, the locks are also by your species. So it is harder to create a protagonist that can romance someone you want to romance.
Seriously, good looking cast in Inquisition? Fat old one-eyed Iron Bull as an LI and the second LI a gut who is looks like an adding biker with a gigantic beard? Cullen is on the death door, and Solas stepped out of a nightmare rather than a maiden's dream. And all of them having permanently shiny pale, pale and paler faces and brows/eyelashes that are so terrible it's better not to put them on. And you can't continue the game if you added mods that made characters look less objectionable. ye gods. First of all, most quests in Inquisition were not related to you by text. Most had non-cinematic dialog like Andromeda. Second, everything you just mentioned are minor digressions at best. The core formula, regardless of small differences in progression, is the same between the two games. Moreover, they are equally formulaic. Neither game does anything especially unique that distinguishes them from the bevy of open world action adventure games that crowd the AAA industry. They're just generic. Well, if they are so "minor" I can only wish fervently that DA4 gives me those "minor" things instead of ruining the game for me through thousand paper cuts. The other people would not even notice, right?
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Post by blanks on Jun 7, 2017 17:32:50 GMT
Take everything this guys says with a grain of salt... I'd have to know who he is first I guess. I feel I'm missing context here. Is he associated with BW? He is a kotaku writer who has previously had very good leads on information before its been publicly available. He broke a lot of the early stuff about the new Prey game (and the shitflinging that went down with humanhead), some Ubi stuff, and in general has been pretty on the ball. You should always be skeptical of anything you read on the internet, but Jason Schreier is not some fly by night guy who posts stories with a single, shaky source.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 7, 2017 17:34:22 GMT
Dragon Age Inquisition got great companions and amazing soundtrack, was also well written and got a lot of emotional, memorable moments. Mass Effect Andromeda got 1 great companion, 2 average and that's it; soundtrack doesn't exist, writing is childish at some points and memorable moments ? NONE. I like both games they both had great moments
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Post by RoboticWater on Jun 7, 2017 17:35:07 GMT
That reply about the DLC contradicts a lot with DLC being hinted at, so I really don't trust him. How so? Yes, Andromeda hints at future DLC, but unfulfilled story hooks have no real bearing on the financial viability of any expansions. If EA don't think DLC will sell, BioWare isn't going to be making DLC.
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Post by geralt on Jun 7, 2017 17:35:54 GMT
Frostbite seems to keep being the problem (not bad just not fit for purpose). Dragon Age Inquisition appears to have had a turbulent development and got away with it. Mass Effect Andromeda less so. I like both games. Dragon Age Inquisition has more issues than the GOTY awards credit and is saved largely by its characters. Mass Effect Andromeda is a better game than the launch memes suggest and whilst the criticism was mostly fair, some of it was over-zealous.Both games appeared to be pressured developments: Dragon Age Inquisition got away with it. Mass Effect Andromeda got caught out. Disagree. I can't say that I "hate" Andromeda as that would be far too strong a term, but I was definitely disappointed as hell in it. It could have been a great game, it should have been a great game, I wanted it to be a great game. Unfortunately as the article details it was executed in such a horrible manner, 5 years and a whole lotta money got burned on now what is a sub-standard game. (Certainly compared to it's predecessors.) Author has a good track record so no real reason to doubt him in his article. When playing it for the first time I had severe doubts I was playing something with 5 years development behind it, looks like it turned out to be under half that. After the fallout from the ending to ME3, anyone with a brain knew the very next Mass Effect game was going to get a much sterner eye put upon it to see if the lessons were learned. It was going to have to be very good in order to stand up to that scrutiny and to have a chance at being a hit. Yet it would seem despite that knowledge, it's development cycle was allowed to drift aimlessly for far too long. While they did eventually get it up to a certain standard, it was still in no condition to be released without suffering a major backlash, and still needing major work to patch it. They did it anyway, and got what they deserved and more. Part of why that backlash may be more "zealous" is probably from folks sheer disappointment out of all the hope they built up from the gaining hype of Bioware's own PR releases. Probably like me, they were expecting that they surely couldn't make such a huge screw up of Mass Effect for a second time in a row. As I've said elsewhere, they have made their own bed and are justifiably paying a price for doing so. Is that price "right"? Maybe, maybe not but that is what can happen when you majorly annoy/insult a fanbase of this nature twice running now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:36:44 GMT
That reply about the DLC contradicts a lot with DLC being hinted at, so I really don't trust him. How so? Yes, Andromeda hints at future DLC, but unfulfilled story hooks have no real bearing on the financial viability of any expansions. If EA don't think DLC will sell, BioWare isn't going to be making DLC. Cora's actress doing more voice work as Cora in May for one. I doubt she went into the studio just to record fluffy lines for Scott/Jaal.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 7, 2017 17:37:31 GMT
That reply about the DLC contradicts a lot with DLC being hinted at, so I really don't trust him. Well they have to do multiplayer dlc
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
That reply about the DLC contradicts a lot with DLC being hinted at, so I really don't trust him. Well they have to do multiplayer dlc We so got screwed over with the romantic outfit DLC too, so they owe us.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 7, 2017 17:38:18 GMT
Heck I've been saying MEA was basically a defense of Synthesis for a while now. Honestly, the whole organic + synthetic perspective thing that Synthesis is supposed to have a basis in isn't my real problem with its inclusion in the ending so much as it's the relay network suddenly possessing the ability to forcibly augment everything everywhere with the help of the doom-pop and that Shepard has to actually jump into the lousy beam to accomplish this, because of tragically edgy reasons. So the whole thing with SAM I'm fine with in spite of my intense hatred of Synthesis.
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Post by abaris on Jun 7, 2017 17:38:26 GMT
Sounds like the whole Fallout 4 marketing strategy was pure bullshit. Not exactly sure what you mean by that, but both companies took the wrong pages out of each others books, as it seems. Bethesda by introducing romances without giving them any meaning and Bioware by creating open worlds/maps (although they refuse to call it that way) without being able to make them look alive.
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