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Post by opuspace on Oct 10, 2016 18:23:56 GMT
During the broker dlc, Shepard helps T'soni avoid being injured when the broker throws its desk. I would've had it setup that Thane, Jack, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob and Tali, could end the relationship with Shepard, if romanced, since apparently the asari is more important. Better yet, have the option to shove Liara in the way of the desk and tell her that's for not telling anyone Shepard was alive. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 11, 2016 1:49:08 GMT
On returning to a Renegon Shep from ME1, I'm coming around to themikefest's idea of having Shiala as a squadmate. I probably still would have had Liara in the game, but more as an adviser for her Prothean knowledge than anything. Then she could have returned in ME3 as an archaeologist where she would have fit in perfectly for From Ashes. Hell, she still would have worked on Mars since that's Prothean research. She would have worked as a temporary squadmate and been extremely useful on Crucible detail (just like Ann Bryson).
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Post by aoibhealfae on Oct 11, 2016 2:35:46 GMT
Liara hardly nver talk about Protheans in her personal dialogues. I always felt annoyed when I know all about Asari reproduction from her than I do with Protheans. Mu Relay have been a long known legend among prothean researcher as a gateway to the lost fabled planet. Liara only know about Ilos because she saw a vid about it but not because it was her specialization, she's an archeologist. But if its a lost planet, how on earth she know how it look like. These Protheans make video archives of top secret research planets?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 9:39:48 GMT
Not sure if really unpopular, But I couldn't but notice that all the human female romance options for a male Shepard (Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Kelly, Allers) where of white ethnicity, the only female romance partner that is different (Traynor) is exlusively lesbian. Now I Recall that the one confirmed female human squadmate for Andromeda has blonde hair, meaning she is also likely to be white (that or she is from the Solomon islands, which I don't see happening quite frankly). Also ethnical diversity seems to be overall less for female than for male npcs in general and for squadmates in particular, not something I am particularly annoyed by, but just something that keeps occuring to be more recently. That could be have been improved, but I'm not going to hold it against those characters. I wouldn't play at all if it bothered me... but thing is, I actually like Mass Effect. O don't get me wrong, I don't consider this to be huge in character design flaw or something, just something that gets when I look at the games in hindsight. Another thing like this i just noticed for example, is that male characters tend to have far more 'offical' backgrounds than female characters. Let look at ME2: Jacob is ex-Alliance, so is Zaeed, Mordin is ex-STG, Garrus is ex-Turian Military and C-Sec. Thane is somewhat ambigious, He was trained by the hanar but it is unknown how involved he was with the Hanar government. For male characters, only Grunt doesn't seem to have any indication of government activities in the past. For female characters only Tali has been offically employed by the migrant fleet, Samara is ambigious, Justicars are quasi-recongized, but have any offical power. Miranda, Jack and Kasumi have no indication of any offical training or employement. Again this not something that is bad or I criticize but just a fascinating pattern. It would have been really interesting to see a variant in which the Jacob-character was female and the Miranda -character was male. |
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Post by straykat on Oct 11, 2016 10:24:36 GMT
That could be have been improved, but I'm not going to hold it against those characters. I wouldn't play at all if it bothered me... but thing is, I actually like Mass Effect. O don't get me wrong, I don't consider this to be huge in character design flaw or something, just something that gets when I look at the games in hindsight. Another thing like this i just noticed for example, is that male characters tend to have far more 'offical' backgrounds than female characters. Let look at ME2: Jacob is ex-Alliance, so is Zaeed, Mordin is ex-STG, Garrus is ex-Turian Military and C-Sec. Thane is somewhat ambigious, He was trained by the hanar but it is unknown how involved he was with the Hanar government. For male characters, only Grunt doesn't seem to have any indication of government activities in the past. For female characters only Tali has been offically employed by the migrant fleet, Samara is ambigious, Justicars are quasi-recongized, but have any offical power. Miranda, Jack and Kasumi have no indication of any offical training or employement. Again this not something that is bad or I criticize but just a fascinating pattern. It would have been really interesting to see a variant in which the Jacob-character was female and the Miranda -character was male. True.. I never thought about that (the backgrounds). Although I could imagine Kasumi got a lot of experience with Keiji and in the criminal underworld. And Jack's supposed to be a bit like Weapon-X. She also has her history with the underworld and being used by different people just for the raw power. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 11:03:15 GMT
That could be have been improved, but I'm not going to hold it against those characters. I wouldn't play at all if it bothered me... but thing is, I actually like Mass Effect. O don't get me wrong, I don't consider this to be huge in character design flaw or something, just something that gets when I look at the games in hindsight. Another thing like this i just noticed for example, is that male characters tend to have far more 'offical' backgrounds than female characters. Let look at ME2: Jacob is ex-Alliance, so is Zaeed, Mordin is ex-STG, Garrus is ex-Turian Military and C-Sec. Thane is somewhat ambigious, He was trained by the hanar but it is unknown how involved he was with the Hanar government. For male characters, only Grunt doesn't seem to have any indication of government activities in the past. For female characters only Tali has been offically employed by the migrant fleet, Samara is ambigious, Justicars are quasi-recongized, but have any offical power. Miranda, Jack and Kasumi have no indication of any offical training or employement. Again this not something that is bad or I criticize but just a fascinating pattern. It would have been really interesting to see a variant in which the Jacob-character was female and the Miranda -character was male. Not sure what you're meaning by "official" - Miranda indicates that she was recruited by Cerberus at a young age, so essentially all her experience and education was obtained through them. Jack was imprisoned by Cerberus for many years during her childhood (the Shadow Brokers' terminal implies she was taken by Cerberus at infancy). Then, she fell in with mercs after her escape (she mentions Manara and her boyfriend as being a leader of one of them). It's sort of hard to get Alliance certified training when you're in the clutches of Cerberus (which even when associated with the Alliance was a black ops organization) your whole life. I suppose they could have flipped Jacob and Miranda about... making her the ex-Alliance one and Jacob the young Cerberus recruit to balance things by sex.... but since people are voting Jacob as the #1 candidate to be cut (in the poll) because he's boring, I think Miranda fans would have found her much less interesting if she had been written up as the ex-Alliance one. I don't recall Zaeed indicating he had any Alliance training though. He just headed the Blue Suns merc organization as far as I know. Grunt naturally would not have any former military experience... Shepard "birthed" him from his tank. Justicars seemed to have unlimited "official" power among the Asari. It's indicated a few times during Samara's recruitment mission that no Asari even questions a Justicar's judgment on a matter. |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 11:37:48 GMT
This is the email the Illusive Man sends to Shepard about Zaeed in Mass Effect 2.
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Shepard:
We've reached an agreement with veteran mercenary Zaeed Massani. You may know the name; Zaeed has been involved in some of the best known (and some utterly unknown) military operations in the Terminus Systems, and is feared as a ruthless and relentless bounty hunter. I felt you might need a man with his skills on your mission, so I arranged to have him join you.
You will find him on Omega, where he's wrapping up his current bounty. Don't worry about his fee; I've taken care of that personally."
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 12:12:38 GMT
In ME1, Ashley did not appear to be white. OR not entirely. ME3 got Ash a rather cringeworthy makeover. I always thought Ashley was part asian since the first Mass Effect: I think it was something about her eyes.
Ugh, Ashley's ME3 appearance... Look, a character can change over time which can be reflected in changes in their appearance but Ashley's appearance in Mass Effect 3 was not prompted by character development. Here's the quote: "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara were meant to be love interest throughout all three parts of the trilogy. After taking them away from players in Mass Effect 2, they were ready for a passionate return in Mass Effect 3. For Ashley's reappearance in the series, we let her hair down and gave her sex appeal while keeping her in uniform that introduced the new Alliance colors."
From what I tell from this quote, they're basically saying that they gave her "sex appeal" because she was a love interest which is not a reason that holds up for me because she was a love interest in the first game and she was still allowed to have an appearance that reflected her character.
Oh and they did not seem to apply this reasoning to Kaidan since he just looks older.
It just feels so disrespectful to the character. I mean, Im more or less indifferent to Ashley but I thought her character deserved better than that. At least, I can mod.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 13:13:16 GMT
In ME1, Ashley did not appear to be white. OR not entirely. ME3 got Ash a rather cringeworthy makeover. I always thought Ashley was part asian since the first Mass Effect: I think it was something about her eyes.
Ugh, Ashley's ME3 appearance... Look, a character can change over time which can be reflected in changes in their appearance but Ashley's appearance in Mass Effect 3 was not prompted by character development. Here's the quote: "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara were meant to be love interest throughout all three parts of the trilogy. After taking them away from players in Mass Effect 2, they were ready for a passionate return in Mass Effect 3. For Ashley's reappearance in the series, we let her hair down and gave her sex appeal while keeping her in uniform that introduced the new Alliance colors."
From what I tell from this quote, they're basically saying that they gave her "sex appeal" because she was a love interest which is not a reason that holds up for me because she was a love interest in the first game and she was still allowed to have an appearance that reflected her character.
Oh and they did not seem to apply this reasoning to Kaidan since he just looks older.
It just feels so disrespectful to the character. I mean, Im more or less indifferent to Ashley but I thought her character deserved better than that. At least, I can mod.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 13:38:20 GMT
I'm jealous. I've never been able to get that mod to work right for me. And I believe Chris Le'toile, her original writer, confirmed that Williams is supposed to be of Hispanic descent, at least in part. Modding in Mass Effect 3 is a trouble. It tends to be well worth the hassel for me especially when it comes to the ending but can be such a pain. I modded EDI's appearance and something went wrong so her texture looks terrible but I've decided to just roll with it since she's not a squadmate I frequently takes on missions. Maybe I'll fix it when I have time.
Mhm, I can see that. Speaking of Chris L'Etoile, I cannot remember if it was him but I recall reading a writer's post somewhere that was none too happy with her appearance in Mass Effect 3 either. I actually like some of his work more than what we got. Please note that I am not saying that all of his work was flawless or that what was planned would have been better in execution since we'll never know that but idea against idea and concept against concept, I prefer a lot of his.
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 11, 2016 14:05:36 GMT
I'm jealous. I've never been able to get that mod to work right for me. And I believe Chris Le'toile, her original writer, confirmed that Williams is supposed to be of Hispanic descent, at least in part. Modding in Mass Effect 3 is a trouble. It tends to be well worth the hassel for me especially when it comes to the ending but can be such a pain. I modded EDI's appearance and something went wrong so her texture looks terrible but I've decided to just roll with it since she's not a squadmate I frequently takes on missions. Maybe I'll fix it when I have time.
Mhm, I can see that. Speaking of Chris L'Etoile, I cannot remember if it was him but I recall reading a writer's post somewhere that was none too happy with her appearance in Mass Effect 3 either. I actually like some of his work more than what we got. Please note that I am not saying that all of his work was flawless or that what was planned would have been better in execution since we'll never know that but idea against idea and concept against concept, I prefer a lot of his.
web.archive.org/web/20130120045453/http://www.holdtheline.com/threads/me2-writer-chris-letoile-on-the-ai-characters-and-the-reapers.4229/ While we can't know for certain how well Chris L'Etoile's ideas would have ultimately played out, I agree that his concepts were miles ahead of what we got, especially his take on the Geth and AIs in general. Unfortunately, BioWare seemed to think that the two extremes of Pinocchio bot, or Murder bot are the only possible ways that synthetic intelligences can be depicted. I also liked his quote from that linked post, about how making AI, like the Geth, want emotions is not unlike having a black character want to be white in terms of disrespecting what they are. But I guess making your science fiction setting just like every other one out there in regards to artificial intelligence is just fine  |
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Post by dmc1001 on Oct 11, 2016 15:54:02 GMT
In ME1, Ashley did not appear to be white. OR not entirely. ME3 got Ash a rather cringeworthy makeover. I always thought Ashley was part asian since the first Mass Effect: I think it was something about her eyes.
Ugh, Ashley's ME3 appearance... Look, a character can change over time which can be reflected in changes in their appearance but Ashley's appearance in Mass Effect 3 was not prompted by character development. Here's the quote: "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara were meant to be love interest throughout all three parts of the trilogy. After taking them away from players in Mass Effect 2, they were ready for a passionate return in Mass Effect 3. For Ashley's reappearance in the series, we let her hair down and gave her sex appeal while keeping her in uniform that introduced the new Alliance colors."
From what I tell from this quote, they're basically saying that they gave her "sex appeal" because she was a love interest which is not a reason that holds up for me because she was a love interest in the first game and she was still allowed to have an appearance that reflected her character.
Oh and they did not seem to apply this reasoning to Kaidan since he just looks older. Kaidan just looks older? Actually, he looks damn good. I know some people like ME1 Kaidan over ME3 Kaidan but I'm the opposite. He got really hot. So, yeah, I think they tried to overall improve the appearance of the LIs. Kaidan looked more similar to his face model in ME3. All that said, I'm not sure why Ash had to have her hair down. I mean, it could have been done for Citadel dlc but otherwise it just doesn't make good combat sense. Her hair would literally be flying in her face all the time. They could have altered it away from the bun but it didn't have to be flowing down her shoulders. I also liked the Phoenix armor for her better but, eh, whatever. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 11, 2016 16:07:10 GMT
I don't mind Ashley's appearance in ME3 or find objections to it particularly convincing. Nothing wrong with a girl dressing up a bit, even a tough soldier like Ash. Particularly since her role in ME3 is no longer the front line grunt of the previous games.
Was it necessary? No. But neither is it abhorent. And of course, she's armored when you use her in combat (or rather she can be) and even the hair's a nonissue if you put her helmet on, which if you're so bent on realism, you should be doing anyway. The great thing about is you can choose where you go on the sexy/practical scale. And I like her armor in ME3 far more than her ME1 armor.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 16:39:53 GMT
I always thought Ashley was part asian since the first Mass Effect: I think it was something about her eyes.
Ugh, Ashley's ME3 appearance... Look, a character can change over time which can be reflected in changes in their appearance but Ashley's appearance in Mass Effect 3 was not prompted by character development. Here's the quote: "Ashley, Kaidan and Liara were meant to be love interest throughout all three parts of the trilogy. After taking them away from players in Mass Effect 2, they were ready for a passionate return in Mass Effect 3. For Ashley's reappearance in the series, we let her hair down and gave her sex appeal while keeping her in uniform that introduced the new Alliance colors."
From what I tell from this quote, they're basically saying that they gave her "sex appeal" because she was a love interest which is not a reason that holds up for me because she was a love interest in the first game and she was still allowed to have an appearance that reflected her character.
Oh and they did not seem to apply this reasoning to Kaidan since he just looks older. Kaidan just looks older? Actually, he looks damn good. I know some people like ME1 Kaidan over ME3 Kaidan but I'm the opposite. He got really hot. So, yeah, I think they tried to overall improve the appearance of the LIs. Kaidan looked more similar to his face model in ME3. All that said, I'm not sure why Ash had to have her hair down. I mean, it could have been done for Citadel dlc but otherwise it just doesn't make good combat sense. Her hair would literally be flying in her face all the time. They could have altered it away from the bun but it didn't have to be flowing down her shoulders. I also liked the Phoenix armor for her better but, eh, whatever. Kaidan is clearly more muscular than before. |
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 16:42:19 GMT
I don't mind Ashley's appearance in ME3 or find objections to it particularly convincing. Nothing wrong with a girl dressing up a bit, even a tough soldier like Ash. Particularly since her role in ME3 is no longer the front line grunt of the previous games. Was it necessary? No. But neither is it abhorent. And of course, she's armored when you use her in combat (or rather she can be) and even the hair's a nonissue if you put her helmet on, which if you're so bent on realism, you should be doing anyway. The great thing about is you can choose where you go on the sexy/practical scale. And I like her armor in ME3 far more than her ME1 armor. So tell me, why is her "uniform" (for lack of a better word) not a standard Alliance uniform? Why doesn't Kaidan get to "dress up a bit"? Where's the option to send Vega into battle in a T-shirt? Why is Ash unique in getting the tin foil miniskirt and thigh-high boots treatment? |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 11, 2016 17:13:54 GMT
So tell me, why is her "uniform" (for lack of a better word) not a standard Alliance uniform? It was her day off.  |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 17:27:39 GMT
I don't mind Ashley's appearance in ME3 or find objections to it particularly convincing. Nothing wrong with a girl dressing up a bit, even a tough soldier like Ash. Particularly since her role in ME3 is no longer the front line grunt of the previous games. Was it necessary? No. But neither is it abhorent. And of course, she's armored when you use her in combat (or rather she can be) and even the hair's a nonissue if you put her helmet on, which if you're so bent on realism, you should be doing anyway. The great thing about is you can choose where you go on the sexy/practical scale. And I like her armor in ME3 far more than her ME1 armor. Here's the thing, though, this is not about realism to me: it's about characterization becoming secondary to eye candy. It is taking an existing character with an established personality and not giving said personality a thought when overhauling said character's appearance.
This was not a case of Ashley deciding she'd like to be more casual, this was not due any characterization whatsoever: as mentioned in the quote above, it was about giving Ashley sex appeal.
There has been nothing that I can remember that indicates that Ashley dressed the way she did in the first Mass Effect because of her rank. Personally, I thought there was more to suggest that she dressed that way because she preferred to stick to the regs, because she didn't care or because she seemed a bit of a tomboy.
Look, if a character wants to assume a casual appearance when off-duty like letting their hair down and even dressing in a revealing outfit for that matter then I'm fine with that as long as the camera don't insist on shoving it into my face. This, however, is not because the character wants to. It has nothing to do with Ashley's personality: it is there to give her sex appeal for the audience. They've stated this.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 17:37:32 GMT
Kaidan just looks older? Actually, he looks damn good. I know some people like ME1 Kaidan over ME3 Kaidan but I'm the opposite. He got really hot. So, yeah, I think they tried to overall improve the appearance of the LIs. Kaidan looked more similar to his face model in ME3. I was thinking of mentioning that but then I considered that Kaidan's model seemed to simply have the standard body of a human male in the game so I did not think it really counted as a deliberate change as oppose to simply being a change that came of the games having different models for male humans. |
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Post by Vortex13 on Oct 11, 2016 17:40:31 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion for fellow Mass Effect (and BioWare in general) fans:
We have more than enough coverage of ethical diversity, and/or sexual orientations in these games. In fact, calling for more elements like that and labeling them "minorities" when they and the "majority" outnumber the truly underrepresented elements by at least two to one is pretty laughable (IMO). When characters like Cortez and Traynor get more screen time devoted to them in a single game than the Rachni, Elcor, Hanar, and Thorian got in all three games combined, I find it really hard to say that the former is in the minority.
'Diversity' is all well and good, but when it starts to feel like Mass Effect is populated solely by humans and our issues that I start to call foul.
Don't sell me on a science fiction setting filled with aliens and other planets to explore but then deliver a Grey's Anatomy episode with laser guns.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 18:00:16 GMT
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Oh and they did not seem to apply this reasoning to Kaidan since he just looks older. Kaidan just looks older? Actually, he looks damn good. I know some people like ME1 Kaidan over ME3 Kaidan but I'm the opposite. He got really hot. So, yeah, I think they tried to overall improve the appearance of the LIs. Kaidan looked more similar to his face model in ME3. All that said, I'm not sure why Ash had to have her hair down. I mean, it could have been done for Citadel dlc but otherwise it just doesn't make good combat sense. Her hair would literally be flying in her face all the time. They could have altered it away from the bun but it didn't have to be flowing down her shoulders. I also liked the Phoenix armor for her better but, eh, whatever. Oh, I'm not saying that he looks worse for wear. When I say that Kaidan only seems older then it is how his hair seems to be beginning to gray. I think the only thing that is really different about his face is his skin due to the new texture.
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For a comparison between his appearances in each game, here are three pictures. I've put them under a spoiler tag so they won't take up thread space by default
My main point was and remains that unlike Ashley, Kaidan does not seem to have had his appearance overhauled despite being in the same group as Ashley of returning love interests.
Note: there was actually concept art of Ashley where it looked like she had her hair in a pony tail or a braid. It's in the same picture that I linked as a source for the quote.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 11, 2016 18:04:26 GMT
Here's the thing, though, this is not about realism to me: it's about characterization becoming secondary to eye candy. It is taking an existing character with an established personality and not giving said personality a thought when overhauling said character's appearance.
This was not a case of Ashley deciding she'd like to be more casual, this was not due any characterization whatsoever: as mentioned in the quote above, it was about giving Ashley sex appeal.
There has been nothing that I can remember that indicates that Ashley dressed the way she did in the first Mass Effect because of her rank. Personally, I thought there was more to suggest that she dressed that way because she preferred to stick to the regs, because she didn't care or because she seemed a bit of a tomboy.
Look, if a character wants to assume a casual appearance when off-duty like letting their hair down and even dressing in a revealing outfit for that matter then I'm fine with that as long as the camera don't insist on shoving it into my face. This, however, is not because the character wants to. It has nothing to do with Ashley's personality: it is there to give her sex appeal for the audience. They've stated this. Ehh. If you want to dislike their priorities on principle, go ahead. I can understand that. But personally I don't see it as a problem unless the eye candy clearly contradicts characterization. And in this case, it does not. Also, I said role, not rank. In the first game Ashley was infantry with a chip on her shoulder for being passed over due to family history. By the third game that has changed. This could explain her change even if that's not what the developers thought when implementing it. I can get behind a certain level of resentment at the somewhat superficial origin behind the change. It does kind of cheapen it. But I don't buy into actual criticisms of the change because of it. |
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 18:18:07 GMT
Here's an unpopular opinion for fellow Mass Effect (and BioWare in general) fans: We have more than enough coverage of ethical diversity, and/or sexual orientations in these games. In fact, calling for more elements like that and labeling them "minorities" when they and the "majority" outnumber the truly underrepresented elements by at least two to one is pretty laughable (IMO). When characters like Cortez and Traynor get more screen time devoted to them in a single game than the Rachni, Elcor, Hanar, and Thorian got in all three games combined, I find it really hard to say that the former is in the minority. 'Diversity' is all well and good, but when it starts to feel like Mass Effect is populated solely by humans and our issues that I start to call foul. Don't sell me on a science fiction setting filled with aliens and other planets to explore but then deliver a Grey's Anatomy episode with laser guns. I wouldn't consider this to be a case of minorities outnumbering the other races and recieving more screen time: I'd consider it to be a case of humans in general outnumbering the other races and recieving more screen time especially since I don't recall Samantha's or Cortez's time being about their ethnicity or sexuality. Yes, Cortez had a husband who was important to his story but I wouldn't consider it to have been different if he was straight since his story was mainly about the loss of a loved one and moving on despite the pains of that loss. It wasn't about his sexuality or his race and the same applies to Samantha.
That aside, I am completely onboard with more sceen time for the aliens especially the ones that aren't seen much and are often brought in solely for a joke like the hanar or elcor. A lot of time, it feels like their societies are more well-developed than humanity's and there is a stronger sense of their culture and how their historical events have shaped them. I loved learning about the various races from their biology to their history and culture like why the turians wear markings and what the meaning of said markings are. It didn't help that I thought humanity as a race became very bland after the first Mass Effect game.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 11, 2016 18:22:23 GMT
Ehh. If you want to dislike their priorities on principle, go ahead. I can understand that. But personally I don't see it as a problem unless the eye candy clearly contradicts characterization. And in this case, it does not. Also, I said role, not rank. In the first game Ashley was infantry with a chip on her shoulder for being passed over due to family history. By the third game that has changed. This could explain her change even if that's not what the developers thought when implementing it. I can get behind a certain level of resentment at the somewhat superficial origin behind the change. It does kind of cheapen it. But I don't buy into actual criticisms of the change because of it.
Personally, I feel it does contradict characterization and I don't consider it to make sense as being the result of what you mention buuut I think this would come down to being a matter of different interpretations of Ashley's character so this is probably an agree to disagree kind of situation.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 18:46:35 GMT
Kaidan is clearly more muscular than before. I was thinking of mentioning that but then I considered that Kaidan's model seemed to simply have the standard body of a human male in the game so I did not think it really counted as a deliberate change as oppose to simply being a change that came of the games having different models for male humans. In ME1, he did. However, since he was an adept and limited to light armors, people complained that he looked too frail. ME3 bulked him up. |
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Post by Iakus on Oct 11, 2016 18:49:30 GMT
Also, I said role, not rank. In the first game Ashley was infantry with a chip on her shoulder for being passed over due to family history. By the third game that has changed. This could explain her change even if that's not what the developers thought when implementing it. So you believe Ash did get dinner first?  |
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