Unpopular opinions

I have an unpopular opinion of my own vis a vis the citadel dlc as well; Wreav should've been a squadmate in it if Wrex was dead.

Certainly not an unpopular opinion with me.  I would have loved to have been able to get in the hot tub.  There is a bit involving the hot tub with Zaeed and Garrus (quiet party option) that's fun... but it would have been so much more fun having a hot tub party option.

*The* story of ME3, if you ask me. Normally, I'd say there is no shame in being ambitious and not quite succeeding, but IMO their goal was so far out of their league they should've known in advance.

And yet your continued snide comments about the game clearly showed you though it was a complete retcon. In fact you used retcon many times in reference to it and brought it up as a point against my statement about Miranda simply being a head of a cell. Now that I really brought up a lot of stuff you are attempting to back pedal hard to maintain your position. The second in command is a throw away line in reference to the over exaggeration done for fun and to be playful that happens in many relationships. Do not assume that all relationships are exactly the same. You might be in one that you strictly literal in everything you say to your other half. But not all are like that. And the line only showing up in the romanced section shows that.

Boy the only one over simplifying things is you right now. Miranda wants to be normal because of how she was created. She wasn't just born that way. She was made that way by her father. Who then used her father as nothing more then a tool. Every gift had a hook to it. Every failure was met with punishment. Having that kind of child hood is it any wonder she would want to be normal? She has to rescue her sister again because the deal she had with TIM was she worked for him and in exchange he would protect her and her sister from her father.  TIM seeing the potential usefulness of Miranda far out weighting the loss of credits for making the deal.  Which she quits Cerberus at the end of ME 2 but before Shepard is grounded. She goes back on that deal so TIM no longer helps keep her sister safe and actively starts to work with her father.  Her father who would see Oriana as last chance for his legacy would jump on that in a heart beat.

You talk about someone oversimplifying something and not knowing their ass from a hole in the wall then you pull this out. Pot called the kettle black.


Yes and ME 2 doesn't end with Shepard standing before an Alliance Military Court. So there is clearly some time between the end of ME 2 and the time that Shepard arrives at an Alliance base with the Normandy in tow.  Between that time Miranda and Jacob as well as possibly the other would have left being dropped off at different space ports.  Because Miranda and Jacob were both Cerberus agents and no way in hell would the Alliance have let them go if they showed up with Shepard at Earth.

Yes because that is what genuine guilt feels like. You make it seem like your understanding or ability to feel emotions are very limited. When you have done or tried to do something at your core you know was so wrong on so many levels. A simply sorry doesn't remove the feeling of guilt at your actions. Case in point my fiancee lives in UK while I'm in US trying to immigrate over there. She has had kidney failure for as long as I known her. She is living alone in a cheap apartment surrounded by ass holes so she has a place for me to stay to help with immigration. Living alone is hard enough on her because of all the various other problems kidney failure has on the body. And last December she finally was able to get a kidney transplant. Something she had been looking forward to and scared out of her wits. To the point she even wrote a will well before she was called in.  And I wasn't able to be there for her during that because I had already used all my vacation time during my last visit in October and it was so sudden. 

Even though she forgives me because she knows it is beyond my control with the UK dragging it's feet on my visa and that I wasn't able to be there for her during her operation. Both of them one to have kidney removed then later to have one put in because they are two different ones that require at least 1 year apart between them.  I will never ever forgive myself for not being there for her when she needs me. No matter how long I live it is a guilt that will stay with me forever.

It is so hard to take you seriously when you seem to have the emotional understanding of a 3 year old when you call stuff heavy handed. Life is heavy handed and real guilt because of your actions can not be dismissed so easy with a simple sorry. What your talking about is when one kid punches another kid in the arm because they were making fun of them. Were a single sorry and lack of any real guilt means the action is soon forgotten.

Miranda realizes that in that moment she was exactly like her father. The one thing she hates most in the galaxy and she became just like him.



When the manipulation runs completely against the grain of her character it does in fact cause problems. 

My stance is that she joined Cerberus under a deal with TIM to protect herself and her sister. Working for him and his organizations to keep her part of the deal up. Which she turns out to be very useful. She defends TIM the same way any employee will their boss. Please by all means get a job and tell every customer, boss and post all on facebook how stupid and idiotic they are. See how long you keep your job at that place. She plays the same PR set up that anyone would expected to play. Particularly when TIM's entire goal is to manipulate Shepard into working with him.  She only quits when she thinks she can effectively protect Oriana and finally gets tired of TIM's games.

You reject this out right. Going the opposite direction claiming that she fully supports TIM and his actions and truly believes in him. Yet your reasoning for her quitting is rather vague. Withholding information suddenly making the cheerleader quit doesn't make any logical sense at all. Particularly if she is on to TIM trying to manipulate Shepard. Which she would have to be given her position and the fact that TIM purposefully requests Shepard to recruit a lot of old faces.

This changes her from a strong willed woman who knows TIM is up to no good but works with him and supports him because it helps her keep her sister safe. The one thing she cares about in the galaxy. Doing dirty work if it keeps her safe. Your set up turns her into an ignorant farm girl who the first time in the big city is manipulated into being a prostitute and convenience she loves it. Least till Shepard shows up and tells her that women can be more then prostitutes.  This action alone removes all of the vagueness to TIM and Cerberus because it is just him severing his own goals to help himself rather then humanity.


So Luke's grand plan was to be force lightening by the Emperor while the Death Star slowly blows up the Rebel and to hope that his dad will jump into help him? Because before that Vader was attempting to injure him and fill him with rage to turn him to the dark side.  Seriously Luke even says I will not fight you Father. Which Vader simply walks up and tells him it is unwise to lower your defenses before attempting to cut him in half.  Uses he feeling for Liea his sister to drive him into a rage that ends with his hand being cut off by Luke. In fact the only reason Luke doesn't end Vader right then and there is the Emperor opens up his gob and starts spouting about turning killing him and truing to the dark side to serve him.  At that point Luke throws his saber away not wanting to become like his father.

Vader's entire action comes out of no were with no build to to why it would happen. Something rather ironic that since Disney got a hold of the franchise they actually corrected in a Dark Horse Comic series. Where when Vader during events of ESP he learns that Luke is in fact his son. That does directly against that he was told he accidentally killed Padame while she was pregnant. And that she lived and gave birth to a son. Fills him with anger and rage toward the Emperor. Which Palpatine then directly asks if Vader is going to challenge his power. Which Vader backs down but then sets a secrete plan into action to get Luke to join him so they could together take down the Emperor. Not because it was the right thing to do but so Vader could get revenge and rule in his place.

To bring this thread back on track. Another unpopular opinion I hold:

Mass Effect 3 has the best dialogue in the series.

Yeah I said it.

I have a counterpoint to that statement...
"Three on one, pal. It's over."
"No. Now it's fun."
I've no idea what they were thinking when they wrote that line. Every time Kai Leng opened his mouth, I literally died a little inside.

I don't think so. Brian Kindregan wrote great lines in 2. Some of Jack's and Okeer's lines are kind of poetic to me. ..."a thousand phantom siblings at it's flank." And Chris L'etoile was their resident techno-babble dude. Although he's poetic too.. he wrote Thane as well.

I know a lot of people hate the 'auto-dialogue' (I do not particularly like it either for various reasons, but I don't hate it like other people do), but it allows for more in-depth conversations between characters. It allows for a greater depth of character and character exploration you would not get otherwise. It also allows more personal depth and emotion from Shepard.

Yes, some lines are awful, but there have been a lot of awful lines in all three games. 


I should clarify, that while I think ME3 has the best dialogue in the series, I do not particularly like how the dialogue was handled compared to previous entries. Only two dialogue choices (no neutral) and putting more emotion into Shepard makes for better dialogue overall but hampers the role-playing/personality we built for Shepard over ME1 and ME2. And yes there were some bad dialogue choices (getting mad at Joker for telling a joke after Thessia), but overall I thought the dialogue was better than the ME1 and ME2. 

I'm probably not explaining it right. I actually prefer the dialogue options in ME1 and ME2, even though I think ME3's dialogue is better. 



I feel like I should also point out that I still think Mass Effect 3 is a good game despite itself. It gets a lot of flak, especially from us still playing the game but we're still playing the game. I think it is quite the testament to the game's quality actually, flaws and all.

I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but I don't mind the dialogue with Joker after Thessia, particularly since I started making the Renegade choices.  It starts out tense... yes, but it ultimately allows both Joker and Shepard to blow off some tension; and Shepard can ultimately end the conversation with a mild joke about not being able to let the best pilot in the Alliance die.  The way the conversation goes, it gives Joker the opportunity to express his worry about his family at Tiptree.  Had Shepard just joked back instantly... Joker would have never unbottled those feelings.

To me the best dialogue in the whole series is the various dialogues (renegade, paragon, or mixed) between Shepard and Mordin over curing/not curing the genophage... so yeah, ME3 has the best dialogue sequence in the whole series... just not all the best dialogue in the series... but both ME1 and ME2 have some really great sequences in them as well... and they all have their cringeworthy lines too.

A and B is were your argument falls apart because if she is so high ranking and so much a true believer then why should she leave? Particularly when the conversation with her puts her departure from Cerberus shortly after Shepard was grounded and imprisoned. Which is well before TIM starts dabbling in Reaper tech. Other wise Miranda would have contacted Shepard or the Alliance about that. Because that would be a step to far.

She is placed by you on such a high pedestal that her actions following ME 2 make no logical sense. Because even the dabbling in Reaper tech is not much worse then what she planned to do to Shepard anyways.  By your own logic she should have been on Cronos with Leng pulling a trigger at Shepard. A and B make C impossible under your set up. This is what you keep missing with your stance.

You are literally creating your own plot hole and then blaming it on the writing, planing and lack of interest of the game developers.