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Post by Toledo wombat on Nov 11, 2016 0:32:47 GMT
I'm glad it's not just me that thought that Samara had the best loyalty mission (I don't count Kasumi's, for much the same reason as Prince E, great stuff it's almost unfair to judge the others against it.). I thought that it had a nice mix of comedy (well, I found Shepard's attempts to pick up Morinth hysterical. That one asari who actually seems thrilled to be dancing with Shep."Yeah! I'd like that!" Yeah,she's high on Hallex....), heartbreaking grimness (Visiting Nef's house, talking to her grieving mum and reading her diary, blimey, i felt so bad for that family.) and horror (I don't know about your Sheps, but mine are less than comfortable about acting as bait for a brain sucking psychopath). I also found Morinth interesting. Is she really an outcast looking for somebody who can love her and not die of it? Or she just the psychopath Samara describes, spinning a clever lie to get sympathy from her victims?
Samara's a little underrated in general I think.
Mordin's loyalty mission is good, although I'd like a little more options for Shep's dialogue. I'm a krogan fan and even I felt pushed into the "You're a monster! You...modifier of the genophage! All those poor dead krogan are your fault Mordin!" stance. I like Mordin, I'd have rather Shepard was slightly more investigative and neutral, trying to understand Mordin't POV rather than getting all snappy about it.
But I agree, Grunt's is both dull and a frankly, the less i have to do with Thresher Maws the happier I am. It's especially uncomfortable for an Sole Survivor Shep.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 11, 2016 9:43:44 GMT
Best part was Morinth's apartment when you investigate the various items.
Krogan statue.
Sword.
Chess set.
Man she's evil.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 9:48:51 GMT
Samara's Loyalty Mission, and arguably to a certain extent Kasumi's, was a sign to me that BioWare wasn't (and maybe still isn't) afraid to take risks, and buck the trend of the genre and narrative, and present us with a mission that has a different feel and atmosphere to it in comparison to the rest of the game.
Samara's for example. No combat. Just investigating (there weren't enough Spectre like missions of this sort if you ask me), dialogue, exposition, and a good, tragic story, that explains who Samara is, and why she is the stoic woman she is. The way Omega was evocative of noir in this mission, the hard boiled detective feel to it all, I honestly consider it a personal highlight during the sluggish start to the final act of ME2, before the Suicide Mission.
Kasumi's... her mission personally reached the heights of Noveria and Virmire levels of greatness in my humble opinion, which no other mission in ME2 managed to reach for me (Suicide Mission is overrated, there's an unpopular opinion for you). Bekenstein felt so sophisticated and alluring, but barely concealing the insidious nature of its people and practices behind the gleaming glamour of Donovan Hock's world. Kasumi's wit and levity made the whole heist nature of the mission like one of those classy old Hollywood movies, and when the combat gets rolling, it's one of the better mapped out shooting galleries in the game for me, along with that breathtaking final showdown with Hock.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2016 12:32:05 GMT
don't know what my favorite loyalty mission was since I may change my mind tomorrow.
I like the renegade interrupt on Lawson's mission and really enjoyed watching her throw the asari across the screen deciding the fate of Taylor's father was good. Depending on which one is chosen, the squadmate will make a comment. I also like what Jacob has to say to his father about what happened it was nice having Shepard dressed up for Goto's mission. Still surprised Hock didn't make any attempt to apprehend Goto if he had an idea it was her. Her flying leap to the gunship was.....sure why not? If she was able to disable the shield, why not go the whole way by shutting down the gunship? I like Zaeed saying "fry you SOB". Unfortunately the workers have to die. Thanes was alright. Being able to shoot the character that little Krios was suppose to kill. I did like the interrogation. In and out in less than 30 seconds. Tali's loyalty mission seemed to be backwards. Meaning that I get renegade points for handing over the information about her father to the admirals and I get paragon points for not. I didn't agree with that. the interrupt during Mordin's mission while watching the krogan burn was alright.Watching Mordin shoot maelon. Nice. the rest I found boring
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 15:30:42 GMT
I would say that Garrus' is my favorite loyalty mission. It's a blast taking it to Harkin after ME1; and if I think back to the first time I played it... with Shepard standing in Garrus' way and not knowing whether or not Garrus might try to take the shot anyways... The tension it built was perfect. I admit, though, that it's harder to recapture that after you know what to expect.
Kasumi's mission was just a lot of fun. I did it right after Jack's the first time and it felt like a nice break from the somberness of her mission. I would definitely put Thane's loyalty mission at the bottom of the list. It has a couple of good moments near the start of it (interrogating Mouse and Kellam) but really goes downhill after that. I do not like Samara's mission at all... it would have been nicer to be able to do more than 3 conversations in the bar; but still wouldn't have salvaged the mission for me. It was a bore from A to Z; but then again, I really don't like Samara's whole story arc TBH.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 11, 2016 19:34:42 GMT
I found Conrad Verner's appearances in ME2 and 3 to be not only unfunny but an utter waste of programming, especially since his appearance in ME1 wasn't meant to be a gag in the first place, but a display of one of the negatives of fame.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 12, 2016 0:55:00 GMT
Conrad in ME2 I loved.
Shepard: Go home to your wife
Conrad: My wife paid for my ticket off world.
Aethyta: *facepalm*
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 12, 2016 1:02:19 GMT
Conrad in ME2 I loved. Shepard: Go home to your wife Conrad: My wife paid for my ticket off world. Aethyta: *facepalm* While i didn't care much about this interaction, it's a shame that Bioware/EA couldn't be arsed to fix the Paragon import of it not importing properly, despite the fact that it was fixed in a fan patch.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Nov 13, 2016 3:38:45 GMT
Conrad in ME2 I loved. Shepard: Go home to your wife Conrad: My wife paid for my ticket off world. Aethyta: *facepalm* While i didn't care much about this interaction, it's a shame that Bioware/EA couldn't be arsed to fix the Paragon import of it not importing properly, despite the fact that it was fixed in a fan patch. Unless I am mistaken, I think that's because it is a problem with Mass Effect 1, not Mass Effect 2? I think Mass Effect 1 sets both Paragon + Renegade flags in the game save file, and the Renegade takes precedence in Mass Effect 2. There is a similar issue with the Paragon-exclusive mission in Mass Effect 1, that mission where you have to save the scientists from biotic terrorists while trying not to kill the drugged-up scientists. The game save file mistakenly sets the flag for 'everyone died' even if you saved every one, so you always get the bad news segment about it when you listen to the galactic news in Mass Effect 2.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2016 13:13:42 GMT
I rather have Bailey show up at the car lot instead of the asari
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Post by aoibhealfae on Nov 13, 2016 17:01:34 GMT
Umm.. I kinda canon-ed that Conrad's wife is Shepard's VI.
Met Conrad at the refugee camp and didn't get the apology shepard talk. testing EGM mod and I wonder if it fix it.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 14, 2016 1:16:41 GMT
If I was Wrex, I would never have confronted Shepard about the genophage being sabotaged. I would've waited until after the reapers are dealt with.
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Post by Lavochkin on Nov 14, 2016 1:40:34 GMT
While i didn't care much about this interaction, it's a shame that Bioware/EA couldn't be arsed to fix the Paragon import of it not importing properly, despite the fact that it was fixed in a fan patch. Unless I am mistaken, I think that's because it is a problem with Mass Effect 1, not Mass Effect 2? I think Mass Effect 1 sets both Paragon + Renegade flags in the game save file, and the Renegade takes precedence in Mass Effect 2. There is a similar issue with the Paragon-exclusive mission in Mass Effect 1, that mission where you have to save the scientists from biotic terrorists while trying not to kill the drugged-up scientists. The game save file mistakenly sets the flag for 'everyone died' even if you saved every one, so you always get the bad news segment about it when you listen to the galactic news in Mass Effect 2. Can't recall the specifics about where the problem lies, just that fans were able to resolve it somehow with a patch/mod. There were also various news segment imports that were never heard in ME2 at all(like one referring to pinnacle station) but no word on whether that's by design or due to bugs AFAIK.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 14, 2016 12:04:20 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell folks it was Liara that knew what happened to Shepard's corpse
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2016 14:07:14 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell folks it was Liara that knew what happened to Shepard's corpse Yes, why was this just brushed aside, the fact that Liara completely withheld this information from people like Kaidan/Ash, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Joker? People who were in varying degrees distraught over the death and lack of answers. Sitting on top of that was irksome to say the least, and the fact she wasn't called out on it more so. Sure she may have had her reasons, but just cause she took a level in badass and became Shadow Broker doesn't mean she has to sit on top of every secret, especially those pertaining to Shepard and their circle of mutual friends. Selfish cow.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Nov 14, 2016 15:24:07 GMT
The moment where Mass Effect's main story was doomed to collapse was when Shepard began hunting Geth for no reason post-ME1.
(Although arguably it was when the Reapers were revealed)
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Post by themikefest on Nov 14, 2016 21:31:09 GMT
Yes, why was this just brushed aside, the fact that Liara completely withheld this information from people like Kaidan/Ash, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Joker? People who were in varying degrees distraught over the death and lack of answers. Sitting on top of that was irksome to say the least, and the fact she wasn't called out on it more so. It was also withheld from Shepard's mother. for those that play a spacer. I mostly want to tell the other to cause friction between her and them. My guess is she kept it to herself to maintain the friendships she had while chasing Saren. If she mentioned she was involved in handing Shepard's corpse to Cerberus, her newly made friends may turn on her or just avoid her. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley would want to bash her head in. My Shepard would help her. hahaha. I would be curious to the reason why Shepard isn't able to ask her about that. Its one of my pet peeves about the trilogy. Shepard not able to ask questions. I can't come up with a reason except for what I mentioned above. Even that's a lame excuse. Bada**? no yes
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Post by Darth Dennis on Nov 14, 2016 21:51:52 GMT
I would be curious to the reason why Shepard isn't able to ask her about that. Its one of my pet peeves about the trilogy. Shepard not able to ask questions. And when Shepard actually does ask a question, s/he always sounds really dumb (especially MShep).
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Post by dmc1001 on Nov 14, 2016 22:33:33 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell folks it was Liara that knew what happened to Shepard's corpse Yes, why was this just brushed aside, the fact that Liara completely withheld this information from people like Kaidan/Ash, Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Joker? People who were in varying degrees distraught over the death and lack of answers. Sitting on top of that was irksome to say the least, and the fact she wasn't called out on it more so. Sure she may have had her reasons, but just cause she took a level in badass and became Shadow Broker doesn't mean she has to sit on top of every secret, especially those pertaining to Shepard and their circle of mutual friends. Selfish cow. If I had to guess it was because Liara didn't want to get anyone's hopes up. Sure, Cerberus said they could save Shepard but how could she know that was literally possible? What if, instead of the real Commander Shepard, they just pushed out a clone and said it was the real deal? Or what if it had that control chip implanted? There were a lot of variables that perhaps made Liara decide to wait. Sh Did Liara make a great decision in this regard? Probably not. Is she the devil for it? No. She's just a flawed individual who was trying to do her best. No, I'm not some kind of Liara groupie, either. I just don't think she's a terrible being for doing what she did. The reality is that without her intervention Shepard's body would have ended up with the Collectors. Period.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Nov 15, 2016 8:35:23 GMT
Garrus is better than Tali for Tech in ME1. (Because he has Adrenaline Burst)
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Post by aoibhealfae on Nov 15, 2016 9:06:51 GMT
Tali have AI hacking and could take on Colossus on her own.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 9:30:08 GMT
I understand you aren't Liara's biggest fan. Badass may not be the right word or whatever, but generally it means toughness (not necessarily physical, sometimes inner or strength of will) being uncompromising and intimidating. Liara isnt necessarily the latter, but she quite easily develops parts of these traits from ME1 to ME2. In Redemption, she is unsurprisingly, still dependent on others (in this case Feron), but unwilling to be dissuaded in her dogged pursuit of finding Shepard (she also deals with the turians and Batarian who were preventing her from leaving the ship in what one could argue as a badass manner). At the end of Redemption, Feron by her own actions is kidnapped, but Shepard's body is safe. A badass can make a mistake, and unlike keeping the recovery of Shepard's body a secret, she does spend the next two years trying to find Feron to undo her error. Even if not to Shepard, in her new information broking role, she would have to be tough, uncompromising and intimidating in order to be a success (even if Ali Hillis completely fails to carry that across when we first meet her in ME2). Lair of the Shadow Broker, Liara chases down Vasir, pushes aside goons, and helps Shepard take down the Shadow Broker by working together, while the other squaddie naps under some rubble. In Homeworlds, she holds her own against the Illusive Man, surviving his attempts on her life. And saving another drell's life. And in ME3, she is the only survivor at the Mars Archives, and we met her in peril, but hardly in need of saving, showing how capable she has become. She's also still the Shadow Broker, meaning she must still be pretty good at coming across as intimidating and uncompromising at least not when Shep's around. i will grant you that there are plenty of face palm moments in ME3 when it comes to Liara, especially on Thessia, but that is as much fault as the writing of Kai Leng as it is Liara. to deny various examples that show Liara's development and capability, and times where it is quite arguable she is a badass, isn't so much an unpopular opinion, rather just choosing to ignore attributable positives of the character because of ones overwhelming dislike for the character.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 15, 2016 12:19:50 GMT
Badass may not be the right word or whatever, but generally it means toughness (not necessarily physical, sometimes inner or strength of will) being uncompromising and intimidating. She's not tough either. The trilogy proves she lacks any toughness. I've never read the comic except a vague explanation. She wasted 2 years that could've been used to help find a way to stop the reapers. I saw no toughness, uncompromising or intimidating traits about her. She showed the traits of a character that should never of been a squadmate or a shadow broker Naps under rubble? Yeah about that. Why is Shepard protecting the asari and not the ME2 squadmate? What if that squadmate is a LI? Does that mean the asari is more important than the LI? I guess so since that's what is seen. I know if I was Jack, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Miranda or Jacob, I would end the relationship right there since its obvious that Shepard cares more about the asari. After the broker is killed, she cries like a baby. So much for that so-called toughness. Don't know anything about that since I don't read the comics. I wonder about that. Did she make any attempt to help others? Or did she turn chicken and run away only to be found by Cerberus just before Shepard shows up? Capable? Ha. Anyone could've shot those Cerberus guys climbing out of the vent. The other thing is she wasted her energy by throwing a singularity for no reason instead of just shooting them right away. I wouldn't find her intimidating and uncompromising if I were to come across her. I most likely laugh in her face. There were face palm moments throughout the trilogy involving her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 16:10:22 GMT
Badass may not be the right word or whatever, but generally it means toughness (not necessarily physical, sometimes inner or strength of will) being uncompromising and intimidating. She's not tough either. The trilogy proves she lacks any toughness. I've never read the comic except a vague explanation. She wasted 2 years that could've been used to help find a way to stop the reapers. I saw no toughness, uncompromising or intimidating traits about her. She showed the traits of a character that should never of been a squadmate or a shadow broker Naps under rubble? Yeah about that. Why is Shepard protecting the asari and not the ME2 squadmate? What if that squadmate is a LI? Does that mean the asari is more important than the LI? I guess so since that's what is seen. I know if I was Jack, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Miranda or Jacob, I would end the relationship right there since its obvious that Shepard cares more about the asari. After the broker is killed, she cries like a baby. So much for that so-called toughness. Don't know anything about that since I don't read the comics. I wonder about that. Did she make any attempt to help others? Or did she turn chicken and run away only to be found by Cerberus just before Shepard shows up? Capable? Ha. Anyone could've shot those Cerberus guys climbing out of the vent. The other thing is she wasted her energy by throwing a singularity for no reason instead of just shooting them right away. I wouldn't find her intimidating and uncompromising if I were to come across her. I most likely laugh in her face. There were face palm moments throughout the trilogy involving her. I'm not going to argue this further since your bias towards Liara is so glaring, bordering on petty. I am not disparaging the dislike of the character. You can dislike Liara's character all you want. But to just dismiss any and all cases of Liara's development, and twist things so that they back up your biased and negative view of her is just very one sided. I would not want to be someone on here knocking Traynor, I couldn't imagine the response.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Nov 15, 2016 18:12:15 GMT
She's not tough either. The trilogy proves she lacks any toughness. I've never read the comic except a vague explanation. She wasted 2 years that could've been used to help find a way to stop the reapers. I saw no toughness, uncompromising or intimidating traits about her. She showed the traits of a character that should never of been a squadmate or a shadow broker Naps under rubble? Yeah about that. Why is Shepard protecting the asari and not the ME2 squadmate? What if that squadmate is a LI? Does that mean the asari is more important than the LI? I guess so since that's what is seen. I know if I was Jack, Thane, Garrus, Tali, Miranda or Jacob, I would end the relationship right there since its obvious that Shepard cares more about the asari. After the broker is killed, she cries like a baby. So much for that so-called toughness. Don't know anything about that since I don't read the comics. I wonder about that. Did she make any attempt to help others? Or did she turn chicken and run away only to be found by Cerberus just before Shepard shows up? Capable? Ha. Anyone could've shot those Cerberus guys climbing out of the vent. The other thing is she wasted her energy by throwing a singularity for no reason instead of just shooting them right away. I wouldn't find her intimidating and uncompromising if I were to come across her. I most likely laugh in her face. There were face palm moments throughout the trilogy involving her. I'm not going to argue this further since your bias towards Liara is so glaring, bordering on petty. I am not disparaging the dislike of the character. You can dislike Liara's character all you want. But to just dismiss any and all cases of Liara's development, and twist things so that they back up your biased and negative view of her is just very one sided. I would not want to be someone on here knocking Traynor, I couldn't imagine the response. Yea I making any attempt to talk to Themmikefest about Liara is a lot like trying to that really racist family member during the holidays who thinks all black people are just moronic thugs who want to render white people extinct by having sex with white women. And just like that racist family member they are proud of their stance and opinions that have absolutely no basis for other then paranoid delusions. Just ignore her when she starts up on Liara. I thinks he saves it for moments that she doesn't have anything in particular to carp about and does it simply to get attention.
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