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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 3:12:34 GMT
- ME1 is the best of the trilogy; - ME2 should've been the first game of the trilogy; - ME3 is a rushed, buggy, unfinished game that spread itself too thin for it's own good; - ME3 should`ve been divided in two parts, the first one ending after Thessia; - ME3's Tuchanka and Rannoch are great, even with all their flaws.
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Post by Plague Doctor on Jan 8, 2017 4:43:03 GMT
-ME1 is the best Mass Effect game by far -I never really understood why Garrus is so popular. -Interrupts were one of the worst post ME1 changes. Hated them from the beginning. -Samara is a garbage character. -Okeer shoul've been a potential ME2 squad-mate. -I hope every Mass Effect game from here on out has a Citadel-style dlc. -Javik is one of the series best characters, potentially the best even. -Batman is by fa...Ooops, wrong franchise. Let me try that again: Shepard is by far the least interesting character of the series. Was not sad to see her go. On that note... -Reaper Overlord Shepard should be ME3's canon ending if they decide to set one. -I actually look forward to more set PC's in Andromeda. Blank Slate is the worst possible form of PC. -Theres nothing wrong at all with Human/Synthethic (and Interspecies, but that isnt that much of an unpopular opinion around here) romance. -TIM was already a dumb character in ME2, so i didnt consider him ruined in 3. -Miranda should've died no matter what in Sanctuary since it makes that scene much more impactful.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 8, 2017 20:25:05 GMT
I see no reason to censor myself from pointing out when something doesn't add up, even from gothboy there. But not to worry, gone is the expectation of meaningful discussion or even change on this front. Particularly since he's literally doing the same thing over and over... I don't criticise you one iota for attempting (as so many have valiantly before you) to correct or educate or even dissuade him from literally plaguing so many threads (here and on the old BSN) with his... Unique posts and theories and whatever the hell you want to call them. Ive since come to the suspicion that it may even be deliberate on his part. Leaving a post on a thread filled with such ludicrousness and blatant error, that he is baiting someone to challenge him. And thus do many and tiring back and forths begin between many a wise and noble poster, trying to point out the errors in there fellow forum members posts. Sadly none have yet to really quell or deter him from continuing his railroading of discussions and threads. As you said, it is a consistent act on his part. And he has also strayed multiple times towards full out insulting other forum members, with his usual petulant style of posting. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
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Post by Raga on Jan 9, 2017 19:53:21 GMT
Unpopular opinions:
I don't think Joker is funny and his chronic lack of professionalism gets on my nerves.
The way that Legion explains geth form consensus basically means geth sapience is impossible and they are just talking toasters.
The only reason I cure the genophage is because I trust Eve. I don't trust Wrex to maintain peace.
I think Anderson is mopey, seems to fail at everything he does, and generally gets on my nerves. (I like Hackett much better).
I think asari are a terribly designed race and lower the bar of the whole series.
I think Kasumi is a horrible person for stealing art from museums. (To be fair, some other people on the squad are horrible people too - like Zaeed, but Kasumi seems to frequently get some kind of pass).
I think recruiting Jack makes no sense and making her a teacher makes even less sense. It makes so little sense that it's borderline game-breaking.
I think the position of the Council throughout most of the series was perfectly reasonable, given the evidence before them.
Vanguard charge is so buggy it makes the class more frustrating than fun.
I'm sure I have more but can't think of any at the moment so I'll add them if I think of them.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 9, 2017 21:57:27 GMT
Unpopular opinions: I think Kasumi is a horrible person for stealing art from museums. (To be fair, some other people on the squad are horrible people too - like Zaeed, but Kasumi seems to frequently get some kind of pass). I think recruiting Jack makes no sense and making her a teacher makes even less sense. It makes so little sense that it's borderline game-breaking.
Yeah, stealing art from museums to keep as a part of one's private collection is something that I am especially not fond of in a character.* I like a lot about Kasumi's character but absolutely not that. It might have been better if there'd been some point where Shepard could voice disapproval like Shepard can with other characters but as I recall, Kasumi didn't have a lot of conversations that were not auto-dialogue.
I should note that I'm not saying that I want a character's opinion on something to change because Shepard expresses disapproval: I don't mind that Thane finds nothing wrong with being an assassin. Basically, I think it could be explained as me just not liking when something like that about a character goes unacknowledged and especially when the oppertunity to do so is offered with other characters. As I recall, the morally-questionable aspects of Zaeed's character can even be brought up by Shepard like during the former's personal mission. Zaeed's, however, was more connected to his personal quest of revenge while Kasumi's was about the black box and Keiji.
While I like Jack as a character, I never saw the in-universe reason for springing and bringing her along as being sufficent enough. The pro of her being an incredibly powerful biotic seem to be outweighed by cons such as the ones connected to her personality like her trust issues. I genuinely don't understand how the Illusive Man did not expect her to skip ship as soon as she had the information about Pragia that she wanted access to and why she was allowed to access personnel files. I'll give him credit and assume those files were either fake or the personnel were dead because I cannot imaging him wanting Jack to run around, interfering with his operations and valuable personnel. Why would he think Jack would even be interested in going through with a suicide mission? Note: *I am aware that it seems like a very minor thing in comparison to the on-goings of the other members on the squad. It's just something that bugs me as well.
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Post by Raga on Jan 9, 2017 23:17:45 GMT
I also admit that part of that is because I'm a librarian that was trained with a focus in rare books and archives so frankly I'm more willing to forgive a murderer than I am somebody who might steal a Gutenberg Bible or the Ellesmere Chaucer. Footage of dead soldiers doesn't phase me and footage of Monte Cassino or the Campo Santo getting bombed makes a piece of my soul shrivel up and die.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 10, 2017 0:37:32 GMT
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but I was never fond of James' "nickname" for female Shepards. Nicknaming in itself tends to not be something that I have a problem with: I love Varric's nicknames for just about everybody.
For me, it's that James calls female Shepard by a different name: Lola. It does not feel like he's nicknaming her as much as he is renaming her. This is especially since he claims he does it because he thinks some people don't match their names: the context for female Shepard feels different than for male Shepard because the "nickname" for the former is actual a given name.
Furthermore, there is a feminine form of loco which is loca!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 0:45:00 GMT
After Priority Thessia ME3 starts to feel empty as the plot slowly starts escalating throughout the end of the Cerberus HQ mission and then the strange, desperate plan on Earth with this beam thing you've never seen anything like before, lack of EMS showing properly during the final mission and then the ending.
I actually think the game peaked for me during the citadel crawl up to the ending before the final scene with the 3 choices when I played it way back. I never had the nitpicky issues about Anderson being there or where TIM came from. I thought it was a bit inconsistent but I knew I wanted there to be a resolution for TIM in this vein and Anderson being there I just thought "something happened off-screen" and never thought of it as a plot-hole. Similarly I never had the issue about the exploding Relays. I knew it clearly couldn't have been supposed to explode like that for real and it was probably miscommuncation or rushwork between the animators and writers.
Similarly I always found the initial Citadel: The Return sequnece strange because Anderson compares the environment to the collector base with the bodies but I'm sure the writers/animators confused things here, because they created something that looked more like the derelict collector vessel in ME2 than the base at the end of that game with how human corpses were just floating and they didn't add those tubes to put the bodies into so when Anderson asks Shepard if they could be making Reapers via the Citadel my gut-reaction was just "LOL, no!? What's he talking about?" becuase the visual connection isn't there.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 10, 2017 1:00:06 GMT
Similarly I never had the issue about the exploding Relays. I knew it clearly couldn't have been supposed to explode like that for real and it was probably miscommuncation or rushwork between the animators and writers.I'm inclined to believe so as well since the developers had it changed in the Extended Cut and the Arrival DLC had a major plot point be what happened when a Relay exploded. That makes it seem like an oversight or, as you said, a miscommunication between the animators and writers which is not an uncommon occurance.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 1:03:03 GMT
I think the result of EC was still more a response to the fan critiques that blowing up relays was proven to be all-destructive to the entire solar system like in Arrival DLC. I am not confident that they would've realized or remembered it themselves had fans not whined about it, but Mac did write Arrival so he kinda should've been able to tell, who knows. I think the entire staff was super stressed and when people are under tremendous mental overwork they tend to make mistakes cognitively like misremembering or making up nonsense, and I think maybe they just went in over their heads because they had to hurry too much.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 10, 2017 2:29:11 GMT
I think the result of EC was still more a response to the fan critiques that blowing up relays was proven to be all-destructive to the entire solar system like in Arrival DLC. I am not confident that they would've realized or remembered it themselves had fans not whined about it, but Mac did write Arrival so he kinda should've been able to tell, who knows. I think the entire staff was super stressed and when people are under tremendous mental overwork they tend to make mistakes cognitively like misremembering or making up nonsense, and I think maybe they just went in over their heads because they had to hurry too much. Slamming a planet size object into a Relay and having it release all it's energy in a wave isn't the same thing. That is like saying pure oxygen (O2) and ozone (O3) is exactly the same because they both contain oxygen. Or that throwing a chicken breast into a fire is the same thing as using a grill. Simply because both involve using heat to cook the meat. The only thing the EC changed with the actual effect of the relays is they toned down the heavily implied wiping out of all technology with the Destroy option. And that could have been because of fan critiques but I think that is less based on them forgetting something. And more of fans complaining that releasing a technology destroying wave across the galaxy to wipe out the Reapers might have collateral damage on a society that is build on every level of technology. You know the same kind of people who get upset that the refuse ending has the Reapers finishing the cycle and wiping out all advanced life. And using that as reason why BioWare was simply being passive aggressive ass holes. And not because you know since game one they have stressed at every possible moment how the Reapers so far out gun and over power the races of the galaxy in conventional warfare. Giving the single most realistic out come of any choice. Yet to them is still just BioWare being passive aggressive douche bags.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 3:26:45 GMT
I think part of the criticism towards Refuse ending comes from how people really wanted to see an ending where all their conventional forces came into play. People weren't interested in the magical solution to beat Reapers. They wanted to see the game premise fulfilled of armassing a galactic armada like a Suicide Mission on a larger scale and then seeing that come into play. DA:O did something like that with actual gameplay and it wasn't even super advanced. BioWare could've done something but clearly the final Earth mission we got was rushed. You can tell it was a relatively early draft of a final mission because there's so many strange dialogue thingies in it, like Anderson telling you he was born in London and Shepard going "really?" even though he just said it over comms earlier and then there's randomly picking up a cain to destroy some Reaper the size of a Destroyer. It felt like it could've used more work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 6:34:41 GMT
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but I was never fond of James' "nickname" for female Shepards. Nicknaming in itself tends to not be something that I have a problem with: I love Varric's nicknames for just about everybody. For me, it's that James calls female Shepard by a different name: Lola. It does not feel like he's nicknaming her as much as he is renaming her. This is especially since he claims he does it because he thinks some people don't match their names: the context for female Shepard feels different than for male Shepard because the "nickname" for the former is actual a given name. Furthermore, there is a feminine form of loco which is loca! Military pilots traditionally give each other call signs, so that's the spirit I took James' nicknaming of people in. In fact, I chose to give my Shepards call signs (some after actual call signs of pilots I've heard of or even known) rather than first names right from the first one I created in ME1. The first Shepard I've given an actual first name was "Vance" (the playthrough I just did a couple of months ago and reported on the "What did you do today" thread. I do agree though, James' use of an actual substitute first name seems out of place with that practice. Although derogatory call signs aren't uncommon, I don't think I would like "loca" either... doesn't it mean "whore?"
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Post by Raga on Jan 10, 2017 8:29:05 GMT
I don't know how unpopular this opinion is but I was never fond of James' "nickname" for female Shepards. Nicknaming in itself tends to not be something that I have a problem with: I love Varric's nicknames for just about everybody. For me, it's that James calls female Shepard by a different name: Lola. It does not feel like he's nicknaming her as much as he is renaming her. This is especially since he claims he does it because he thinks some people don't match their names: the context for female Shepard feels different than for male Shepard because the "nickname" for the former is actual a given name. Furthermore, there is a feminine form of loco which is loca! I didn't like it either even though I liked Vega and the general idea of it. It's also probably because I just think Lola is a dumb name.
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Post by anehforaneh on Jan 10, 2017 11:06:18 GMT
I didn't like it either even though I liked Vega and the general idea of it. It's also probably because I just think Lola is a dumb name. Yea, that's why I always punch him in his face.
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Post by shechinah on Jan 10, 2017 14:52:10 GMT
3. Military pilots traditionally give each other call signs, so that's the spirit I took James' nicknaming of people in. In fact, I chose to give my Shepards call signs (some after actual call signs of pilots I've heard of or even known) rather than first names right from the first one I created in ME1. 2. The first Shepard I've given an actual first name was "Vance" (the playthrough I just did a couple of months ago and reported on the "What did you do today" thread. I do agree though, James' use of an actual substitute first name seems out of place with that practice. 1. Although derogatory call signs aren't uncommon, I don't think I would like "loca" either... doesn't it mean "whore?" 1. No, loca is just the feminine form of loco which means crazy. You're thinking of puta or puto which is what means prostitute or whore. Puta is sometimes used in a different context to mean something different although also as basically a swear equivalent to fuck and puto is usually exchanged with prostituto because, I think, it has a lot of other meanings. The feminine form of prostituto would be prostituta, if my memory serves me right.
A key element about the spanish language is that it has a masculine and feminine form for words where in other languages such as english there'd only be one version. Every noun, sans exceptions and more in-depth explainations, in the spanish language are either masculine or feminine.
Example: Niño is the masculine form for child while Niña is the feminine form. Niños is the plural form for a group of the children that are male or are a blend of male and female children. Niñas is the plural form for a group of children that are female.
I should note that this does not mean what the word is referring to is considered female or male.
Example: Casa, basically meaning house, is feminine but the house itself is not considered to be of a gender.
2. I tend to name my Shepards after people because I started a trend with myself with my first Shepard. She was named Isaac after Isaac Asimov. The second one was named Mozart after, well, Mozart, and another was named Jhon after J'onn Jones, the Martian Manhunter. The last's name is a bit different from its inspiration since I could not remember how it was spelled so I spelled it phoentically according to my memory of its pronounciation.
I had some fun thinking about in-universe explainations for their names. Isaac was named after Isaac Asimov because her parents were big fans and thought it was a good name. Mozart Shepard was Earthborn and did not know that Mozart was Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's surname, not his first name. Jhon might have been same case as Isaac in that one or both of his parents liked the Martian Manhunter. That or it is a good Mindoiran name.
3. Oh, I love call signs and nicknames for characters. I like a lot of those you get in SWTOR such as the class one granted by the respective faction for space missions.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 15:59:27 GMT
Another thing I have some beef with IIRC is that, I just read the codex entry for ME1 about the military Jargon of the alliance explaining how you say "aye aye" to acknowledge your superior's commands or how "ashore" means when the crew has docked and exited their assigned vessel, and I don't know if ME2 or ME3 really stuck with this terminology? I remember ME3 has a lot of military jargon but I found they stuck more to modern day usage. ASAP and ETA is still part of the alliance Jargon but I don't recall the characters going "aye-aye" and stuff in ME3 but they constantly do so in ME1. I think that sucks.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 10, 2017 16:15:53 GMT
Another thing I have some beef with IIRC is that, I just read the codex entry for ME1 about the military Jargon of the alliance explaining how you say "aye aye" to acknowledge your superior's commands or how "ashore" means when the crew has docked and exited their assigned vessel, and I don't know if ME2 or ME3 really stuck with this terminology? I remember ME3 has a lot of military jargon but I found they stuck more to modern day usage. ASAP and ETA is still part of the alliance Jargon but I don't recall the characters going "aye-aye" and stuff in ME3 but they constantly do so in ME1. I think that sucks. That's an example of naval terminology which makes sense since we're using ships, fleets etc. In ME2 there was no need for such formality since you were outside the Alliance, though even Cerberus would probably still keep some of the jargon given how many ex Alliance they employ. ME3 should've gone back to proper terminology since you're Alliance again. Even if Shepard was independent, since he was career military he'd probably carry the language over. That may be partly why I feel Shepard sounded much more military in the first one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 10, 2017 16:25:31 GMT
ME2 wouldn't have to stick with the military jargon since it was an entirely civilian operation. ME3 is another story but I don't recall whether or not they used it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:26:35 GMT
3. Military pilots traditionally give each other call signs, so that's the spirit I took James' nicknaming of people in. In fact, I chose to give my Shepards call signs (some after actual call signs of pilots I've heard of or even known) rather than first names right from the first one I created in ME1. 2. The first Shepard I've given an actual first name was "Vance" (the playthrough I just did a couple of months ago and reported on the "What did you do today" thread. I do agree though, James' use of an actual substitute first name seems out of place with that practice. 1. Although derogatory call signs aren't uncommon, I don't think I would like "loca" either... doesn't it mean "whore?" 1. No, loca is just the feminine form of loco which means crazy. You're thinking of puta or puto which is what means prostitute or whore. Puta is sometimes used in a different context to mean something different although also as basically a swear equivalent to fuck and puto is usually exchanged with prostituto because, I think, it has a lot of other meanings. The feminine form of prostituto would be prostituta, if my memory serves me right.
A key element about the spanish language is that it has a masculine and feminine form for words where in other languages such as english there'd only be one version. Every noun, sans exceptions and more in-depth explainations, in the spanish language are either masculine or feminine.
Example: Niño is the masculine form for child while Niña is the feminine form. Niños is the plural form for a group of the children that are male or are a blend of male and female children. Niñas is the plural form for a group of children that are female.
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Example: Casa, basically meaning house, is feminine but the house itself is not considered to be of a gender.
2. I tend to name my Shepards after people because I started a trend with myself with my first Shepard. She was named Isaac after Isaac Asimov. The second one was named Mozart after, well, Mozart, and another was named Jhon after J'onn Jones, the Martian Manhunter. The last's name is a bit different from its inspiration since I could not remember how it was spelled so I spelled it phoentically according to my memory of its pronounciation.
I had some fun thinking about in-universe explainations for their names. Isaac was named after Isaac Asimov because her parents were big fans and thought it was a good name. Mozart Shepard was Earthborn and did not know that Mozart was Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's surname, not his first name. Jhon might have been same case as Isaac in that one or both of his parents liked the Martian Manhunter. That or it is a good Mindoiran name.
3. Oh, I love call signs and nicknames for characters. I like a lot of those you get in SWTOR such as the class one granted by the respective faction for space missions.
OK, thanks. I would have liked it if they had given Shepard a call sign in ME1. It could have come up quite naturally when they were discussing Joker's nickname/call sign. Kasumi wound up calling him/her Shep in ME2 anyways and Ashley used the term "skipper" (at least with a male Shep when she was being romanced), so it's not like the series ever really stuck with the surname or Commander with everyone anyways... and it sounds sort of silly for the LIs to be calling he//her Shepard all the time.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 10, 2017 16:29:09 GMT
ME2 wouldn't have to stick with the military jargon since it was an entirely civilian operation. ME3 is another story but I don't recall whether or not they used it. Shepard says ASAP, ETA and stuff, but it sounded more like they were imitating CoD and or other military shooters in the industry with ME3, because I don't recall the usage of "aye aye" or "Ashore" or "sir" the way they did in ME1. It's probably becuase Shepard is so tight with his buddies as well. I dislike how he introduces Garrus to James by saying "He's a hell of a soldier" though. At that point I think he should've just called him his friend or something. There's a lot of platitudes in ME3.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 10, 2017 16:35:01 GMT
ME2 wouldn't have to stick with the military jargon since it was an entirely civilian operation. ME3 is another story but I don't recall whether or not they used it. Shepard says ASAP, ETA and stuff, but it sounded more like they were imitating CoD and or other military shooters in the industry with ME3, because I don't recall the usage of "aye aye" or "Ashore" or "sir" the way they did in ME1. It's probably becuase Shepard is so tight with his buddies as well. I dislike how he introduces Garrus to James by saying "He's a hell of a soldier" though. At that point I think he should've just called him his friend or something. There's a lot of platitudes in ME3. There's also the matter of Shepard technically being a marine. As I recall you do not want to call a marine "soldier". In RL anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:36:03 GMT
Shepard says ASAP, ETA and stuff, but it sounded more like they were imitating CoD and or other military shooters in the industry with ME3, because I don't recall the usage of "aye aye" or "Ashore" or "sir" the way they did in ME1. It's probably becuase Shepard is so tight with his buddies as well. I dislike how he introduces Garrus to James by saying "He's a hell of a soldier" though. At that point I think he should've just called him his friend or something. There's a lot of platitudes in ME3. There's also the matter of Shepard technically being a marine. As I recall you do not want to call a marine "soldier". In RL anyway. Garrus, however, is not a marine; neither is Tali; and Liara isn't even military. Other members of the crew may not be marines either since the Alliance appears to be a combined forces organization. . I don't really know where one would classify EDI since, according to her, she doesn't even have a legal standing in council space. However, Shepard probably shouldn't refer to himself/herself as "just a soldier" though.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 10, 2017 16:42:01 GMT
There's also the matter of Shepard technically being a marine. As I recall you do not want to call a marine "soldier". In RL anyway. Garrus, however, is not a marine. No, but that reminded me of another line "I'm just a soldier Anderson, I'm not a politician."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:44:35 GMT
Garrus, however, is not a marine. No, but that reminded me of another line "I'm just a soldier Anderson, I'm not a politician." Yeah, I believe TIM calls Shepard a soldier in ME2 as well; and I'm pretty sure he does it again in ME3. Still, it may have been entirely appropriate for Shepard to refer to Garrus as a soldier, although "officer" may have been the best term since Garrus started out in C-Sec.
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