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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 21, 2017 21:34:02 GMT
It's not the idea that the ardat yakshi have to stay inside the monestary, it's the fact that Samara believes so much in her code that she doesn't look to other options herself. I think that entire scene makes her obedience to the code a complete farce when previously it never bothered me. I mean, c'mon, a second later Shepard comes up with a pretty easy solution. It's just forced melodrama for the sake of it. In ME2 she has a line about the Code having a say for just about every situation a Justicar is expected to encounter. So yeah, given their order is the ultimate in law abiding and enforcing and with such an expansive Code and rigid jurisdiction I'd imagine quick out of the box thinking isn't a strong suit. Standard tropes to a T- Rigid rule/programming forces a bleak conclusion until a Rules Lawyer figures out how to Take A Third Option.
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Post by melbella on Feb 22, 2017 1:24:53 GMT
I mean, c'mon, a second later Shepard comes up with a pretty easy solution. It's just forced melodrama for the sake of it.
Actually, Falere is the one who suggests it by volunteering to stay there. Shepard just stops Samara from shooting herself.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 22, 2017 1:31:15 GMT
Yeah, so really, Samara could've waited one second with her drama-queen "I mast abaid code" and hear her daughter out. It just plays like a dark satire IMO. Imagine there's another premise featuring Samara. "Shepard I need your help. A building is collapsing, My code dictates I must stop it from toppling over." "Let's go." *They arrive.* *Building collapses* "Shepard. My code dictates that a building that has collapsed that I was obligated to save must not remain." "But Samara, what about survivors? SAMARA, WHAT ARE YOU--" "Don't worry Shepard. Before we went I mounted the building with bombs"
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 22, 2017 12:55:16 GMT
Yeah, so really, Samara could've waited one second with her drama-queen "I mast abaid code" and hear her daughter out. It just plays like a dark satire IMO. Imagine there's another premise featuring Samara. "Shepard I need your help. A building is collapsing, My code dictates I must stop it from toppling over." "Let's go." *They arrive.* *Building collapses* "Shepard. My code dictates that a building that has collapsed that I was obligated to save must not remain." "But Samara, what about survivors? SAMARA, WHAT ARE YOU--" "Don't worry Shepard. Before we went I mounted the building with bombs" Now your just needlessly complaining about something that there isn't any need to complain about. There is no were for her daughter to live. She has to leave to survive but to allow her to leave would break the code she has to follow. Thinking only of her daughter she takes the only action she sees that will fit. It is only after she is interrupted that her daughter tells her that she will live in the ruins of the monastery so her mother will not be forced to kill her self.
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Post by SilJeff on Feb 22, 2017 18:45:05 GMT
Mass Effect 1 is just as bad as Dragon Age 2 at reusing locations
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 22, 2017 23:47:37 GMT
Mass Effect 1 is just as bad as Dragon Age 2 at reusing locations How is that an unpopular opinion? There's like four basic layouts they use for almost every side mission. There is: the spaceship; the overground base; the underground base; and the mine.
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Post by SilJeff on Feb 23, 2017 0:11:09 GMT
Mass Effect 1 is just as bad as Dragon Age 2 at reusing locations How is that an unpopular opinion? There's like four basic layouts they use for almost every side mission. There is: the spaceship; the overground base; the underground base; and the mine. I meant that is a negative for the game. I know it's common knowledge that the rooms are re-used, but I always hear that as a negative for DA2, but rarely do I hear it brought up as a problem in ME1 (unlike say the texture pop-in or the inventory system)
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Feb 23, 2017 2:25:01 GMT
I meant that is a negative for the game. I know it's common knowledge that the rooms are re-used, but I always hear that as a negative for DA2, but rarely do I hear it brought up as a problem in ME1 (unlike say the texture pop-in or the inventory system) Probably because: 1. DA2 came out later than ME1. 2. DA2 was a sequel, while ME1 was the first in the series.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 27, 2017 16:21:28 GMT
I wish humanity would have gotten taken down a couple of pegs throughout the series.
It's ridiculous to think that an organization like Cerberus could ever gain traction as a "Humanity first!" group in a universe where humanity can quite possibly be the sole members of the galactic council as well as being the economic, scientific, and engineering envy of every species in the Milky Way despite being a part of the interstellar community for less than thirty years.
A Volus run corporation utterly crushing a human company in terms of revenue, and customer base; or humans having to ask the Volus for loans to afford their ventures. A Turian military strategy that runs circles around human admirals. Salarian scientific breakthroughs that leaves human scientists scratching their heads in confusion. Etc. In other words, a setting wherein humanity wasn't automatically the best at everything they do, and where all of our attempts don't immediately end with us achieving breakout success.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 27, 2017 17:52:08 GMT
I wish humanity would have gotten taken down a couple of pegs throughout the series. It's ridiculous to think that an organization like Cerberus could ever gain traction as a "Humanity first!" group in a universe where humanity can quite possibly be the sole members of the galactic council as well as being the economic, scientific, and engineering envy of every species in the Milky Way despite being a part of the interstellar community for less than thirty years. A Volus run corporation utterly crushing a human company in terms of revenue, and customer base; or humans having to ask the Volus for loans to afford their ventures. A Turian military strategy that runs circles around human admirals. Salarian scientific breakthroughs that leaves human scientists scratching their heads in confusion. Etc. In other words, a setting wherein humanity wasn't automatically the best at everything they do, and where all of our attempts don't immediately end with us achieving breakout success. That's definitely not unpopular with me. I am with you 100%. IMO, Revelation made a good start with it. The council almost denied humanity technological advances of any kind after finding out about their illegal AI research. They wanted to send observers to Earth to oversee what humans were up to, demanded economic sanctions and penalty fees. It was only due to ambassador Goyle's negotiations that this disaster got narrowly averted. From then on, humans developed way too quickly, being the underdog was a lot more interesting than being part of the council and a super power. Instead of pushing the Batarians into the role of of the violent outsider, it should have been us. As you say, it would have made Cerberus way more believable and interesting as well Unfortunately, it looks like Andromeda will shift the lore even further into the direction of humanity being the best of the best. If the Andromeda Initiative really was started in 2176 and the Arks are really built above the moon, the Sol system basically was the centre point of just bout the biggest economical and engineering project of this cycle for almost 10 years by the time even ME1 started. If we could take the lead on something like this, finally getting a spectre in 2183 seems almost like an afterthought.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 27, 2017 18:06:34 GMT
I wish humanity would have gotten taken down a couple of pegs throughout the series. It's ridiculous to think that an organization like Cerberus could ever gain traction as a "Humanity first!" group in a universe where humanity can quite possibly be the sole members of the galactic council as well as being the economic, scientific, and engineering envy of every species in the Milky Way despite being a part of the interstellar community for less than thirty years. A Volus run corporation utterly crushing a human company in terms of revenue, and customer base; or humans having to ask the Volus for loans to afford their ventures. A Turian military strategy that runs circles around human admirals. Salarian scientific breakthroughs that leaves human scientists scratching their heads in confusion. Etc. In other words, a setting wherein humanity wasn't automatically the best at everything they do, and where all of our attempts don't immediately end with us achieving breakout success. That's definitely not unpopular with me. I am with you 100%. IMO, Revelation made a good start with it. The council almost denied humanity technological advances of any kind after finding out about their illegal AI research. They wanted to send observers to Earth to oversee what humans were up to, demanded economic sanctions and penalty fees. It was only due to ambassador Goyle's negotiations that this disaster got narrowly averted. From then on, humans developed way too quickly, being the underdog was way more interesting than being part of the council and a super power. Instead of pushing the Batarians into the role of of the violent outsider, it should ahve been us. As you say, it would have made Cerberus way more believable and interesting as well Unfortunately, it look like Andromeda will shift the lore even further into the direction of humanity being the best of the best. If the Andromeda Initiative really was started in 2176 and the Arks are really built above the moon, the Sol system basically was the centre point of just bout the biggest economical and engineering project of this cycle for almost 10 years by the time even ME1 started. If we could take the lead on something like this, finally getting a spectre in 2183 seems almost like an afterthought. Yeah I'm not particularly keen on ME:Andromeda and it's depiction of humanity either; especially with the various previews out now, and how they are all alluding to humanity being the only species in the entire universe apparently capable of accomplishing anything. Ideally, I would like to see more 'alien' alien elements take the spotlight in this setting, but it would be nice to see any non-human alien species in this series to show at least some competence. What with all the human focus of the upcoming title: from how the Andromeda Initiative is human funded, to how it will be the humans and our Pathfinder actually getting things done in Andromeda itself (etc.), it's a wonder how these other Milky Way aliens; especially the council races; survived the thousands of years prior to human contact without swallowing their own tongues, or why we are bothering to even bring them along.
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Post by robsonwt on Mar 7, 2017 20:57:14 GMT
I think that is actually a very popular opinion here; whereas curing the genophage is the vastly unpopular choice. My very unpopular opinion on the matter is that people get overly worked up about the role-playing choices other people make. The moral dilemmas in the game have been set up in such a way that a reasoned choice can be made in either direction; therefore, neither choice is arbitrarily "insane." Not curing it is the less popular choice. There were Bioware infographics on it. It was kind of funny. cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/1d9834b481837372312a33b0ba1124a1-650-80.jpgOnly 8% didn't cure the Genophage. But here's the kicker. 64% never even had Wrex. 43% Soldier = The power of default. Curing the genophage without Wrex is kind of insane. I think the majority of people never played ME1 or 2, so didn't import a game. In this case, Wrex is dead. And they don't know exactly who is Wreav. They see the aspect of the Genophage, feel sorry for the Krogan, that are more sympathetic than the Salarians and are inclined to cure it.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2017 12:42:48 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell everyone that it was the asari that handed Shepard's body to Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear what the reactions from characters on the Normandy in ME3.
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Post by Garo on Mar 9, 2017 14:45:39 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell everyone that it was the asari that handed Shepard's body to Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear what the reactions from characters on the Normandy in ME3. Heavy risk...
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Post by Darth Dennis on Mar 9, 2017 21:31:02 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell everyone that it was the asari that handed Shepard's body to Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear what the reactions from characters on the Normandy in ME3. Heavy risk... ...But the prize
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Post by opuspace on Mar 9, 2017 23:39:27 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell everyone that it was the asari that handed Shepard's body to Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear what the reactions from characters on the Normandy in ME3. Given how the writers treated Liara, she'd likely have been shown sympathy by the other teammates. What I'd like to see would be what Ashley or Kaidan would say. They'd probably be grateful that Shepard's back, but it would not be realistic to not be the least bit offended if Shepard was in a relationship with them. Think about it, if someone you knew had a crush on your girlfriend/boyfriend made a literal life or death decision with their body and kept you out of the loop, wouldn't you be livid that Liara let all that drama on Horizon happen?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2017 23:59:25 GMT
Given how the writers treated Liara, she'd likely have been shown sympathy by the other teammates. What I'd like to see would be what Ashley or Kaidan would say. They'd probably be grateful that Shepard's back, but it would not be realistic to not be the least bit offended if Shepard was in a relationship with them. Think about it, if someone you knew had a crush on your girlfriend/boyfriend made a literal life or death decision with their body and kept you out of the loop, wouldn't you be livid that Liara let all that drama on Horizon happen? That's one reason why I don't like the character. Who is she not to inform anyone? I suspect one of the reasons why Shepard isn't able to ask her about that is because Bioware didn't want to create any friction between Shepard and Liara and Liara and the other squadmates. I have a good idea what Ashley would do. My Shepard would be right beside agreeing. Livid with the asari? Sure. I can think of other words, but livid works. I would never had her involved with finding Shepard's corpse. Just have Cerberus get it. They never needed the asari.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2017 4:01:39 GMT
I wanted my Shepard to tell everyone that it was the asari that handed Shepard's body to Cerberus. It would be interesting to see/hear what the reactions from characters on the Normandy in ME3. Given how the writers treated Liara, she'd likely have been shown sympathy by the other teammates. What I'd like to see would be what Ashley or Kaidan would say. They'd probably be grateful that Shepard's back, but it would not be realistic to not be the least bit offended if Shepard was in a relationship with them. Think about it, if someone you knew had a crush on your girlfriend/boyfriend made a literal life or death decision with their body and kept you out of the loop, wouldn't you be livid that Liara let all that drama on Horizon happen? They might say something like: "That was really risky but NO ONE ELSE HAD THE RESOURCES TO DO THIS so I guess it's better than Shepard staying dead. Good thing, too, because he stopped the Collectors and gave us an extra [entirely wasted] six months free of Reapers." Just sayin'. EDIT: But, yes, she could have informed Kaidan/Ashley or Anderson. That part was dumb. Still, it worked out for the best.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Mar 13, 2017 9:37:22 GMT
Funnily, I got told off that without Liara being loyal and stalking Shepard, Cerberus never get Shepard to resurrect. Until I correct her that Feron is the Cerberus informant and Cerberus have all the resources to get Shepard from Shadow Broker with or without Liara. And she's the reason Feron was captured and tortured for two years. What an imbecile.
Actually, its dumb that NO ONE bother to make sense of Liara. She's a powerful Asari Adept and yet she spent years in dig sites and university being an archeologist.. she's NOT a soldier and magically she have combat biotics? And instead of joining Shepard after you found out that the Collectors were the Protheans, she want to usurp the Yahg's empire to get HIS prothean resources.... and guess what, she ping pong again to get the Crucible blueprint on Mars because humans are idiots. And suddenly Cerberus is her enemy?
Also if you bring Liara up to the ship after LOTSB, she buttered up as if she had nothing to do with Kaidan being angry about Shepard being with Cerberus because of her. She kept Shepard's broken armor and dogtags for years... Liara is a possessive crazy bitch who wanted Shepard all to herself and.. why why why why why why... this is more okay?
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Post by nougat on Apr 11, 2017 17:08:33 GMT
Hmm, I have more who cares huh: - Anderson is laughably unqualified to be a Councilor. - Overlord DLC is cool and quite interesting, but [my] Shepard doesn't run errands for Cerberus more than required bare minimum, so it gets ignored as some other missions. - I don’t get the praise for LotSB DLC, I do it only for the sake of less uninformed Shepard in ME3 (and alive Feron as bonus). - The new councilors, Irissa and especially Esheel, are among my favourite minor characters. - I’m indifferent about Tali, yet she is one of the most sane, level-headed characters in the trilogy (especially if she's exiled in ME2; her "token" admiralty is too much). - Garrus Vakarian is okay but overhyped character. It’s baffling how his "vigilantism" on Omega gets ill-deserved 'badass' praise. On the contrary, it's highly questionable and frankly pointless. Especially in context when everyone else gets shit for not doing enough about reaper threat after the Battle of the Citadel and Shepard' demise. - Wrex is enjoyable in ME3 only with Shepard, who's unapologetic about Maelon data' destruction. With "faithful" Shepard there is too much sugar. - Despite my respect and admiration for Kaidan Alenko and Ashley Williams (ME1), they are both unfit for the Spectre job (though Udina politicking' angle gives credibility for such ploy and I fully understand why it was done). - I prefer "meta" killing off even my favorite characters (such as Miranda Lawson) rather than suffer their bastardized writing in the next game. - People' fascination with a highly esteemed professional punching reporters and admirals remains a mystery to me. - While it’s nice to be able to give Shepard a living parent in spacer' upbringing, Hannah Shepard was so criminally underused that it looks like this origin better off orphaned too. - I wish Shepard had an option to get rid of Mr. Moreau for lack of professionalism, insubordination (and getting them killed). - Despite my apathy towards the krogan, I'd trade the half of ME2 squad for Okeer as squadmate. The other half – for batarian squadmate. - I appreciate Akuze' background for being the most neutral. But contrived forced cooperation with Cerberus (and absence of any triggered response regarding thresher maws) kind of ruins it. - Rannoch arc is more interesting without Tali (or Legion). - I dislike how the half of the background options (Mindoir, Torfan, Elysium) are with high anti-batarian bias. - Jack and Garrus recruitments should have been optional in ME2 instead of, say, Tali and Legion. Why Shepard has to fight countless waves of mercs just to save some unknown "tactical genius"? Why Shepard has to cause a mayhem on Purgatory ship simply to get one powerful biotic (who is also a huge liability to Cerberus run ship)? I know it is a problem with almost all recruitments, but Mordin and Okeer are actually worth fighting for.
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Post by SimRahzel on Apr 17, 2017 14:02:32 GMT
Here's another unpopular opinion. I would have much rather seen Vega as a romance for FemShep than Thane. I would rather Thane not of been a squadmate or at least give Shepard the option to not recruit him when he mentions he's dying. You've complained about Thane so much on this thread over and over. Why don't you just not recruit him if you hate him so much?! I don't much like the guy myself since most of what is says in ME2 is pure nonsense,but you're taking the bashing pretty far for an optional character.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 17, 2017 14:36:52 GMT
You've complained about Thane so much on this thread over and over. Why don't you just not recruit him if you hate him so much?! I don't recruit him in the majority of my playthroughs. He can be useful. A few times I recruited him after the suicide mission so that the councilor lives and Kirrahe lives
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 20:11:37 GMT
- Jack rules - Thane sucks - on the whole, ME2's gameplay isn't better than ME1's, even slightly worse - suicide mission is nothing special - blue ending - ME:A is miles better than ME3 - Sara Ryder looks better than ME3's default Femshep
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Post by SimRahzel on Apr 18, 2017 18:24:12 GMT
This topic sounds fun! Here goes:
- ShepLoo is the "real" Shepard - Elevators in ME1 were really cool - The hacking mini games in ME2 were fun and I missed them in ME3 a little bit - The eviscerator was the best shotgun in 2 and 3 - Ashley's the only ME character that explained their faith in a way that didn't make me mentally barf (looking at you Thane and Suvi) - Wrex wasn't particularly likeable in ME1 - Mordin's turnaround in ME3 was a disservice to his character - romancing aliens is weird and gross - Javik should never have been in ME3 (awesome thoigh he was)
- The following paragon magic fixes are vile abominations for even a paragon playthrough: - Charming the jerk on Feros that wants to "purge" all the colonists - Talking Saren/TIM into shooting himself - Insta-healing Tali with a hug in her loyalty mission - Sparing Niket on Miranda's loyalty mission (it makes him instantly cooperative for no reason) - Sparing Maeleon in Mordin's loyalty mission because he "can't do anything now we took his files and access" - Insta-perking Liara with a quick interrupt after the Thessia mission
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 18:34:18 GMT
Oh yes, Javik. The traces of Protheans you found in ME1 made them really interesting, but then they were retconned in ME3 to look like Collectors. Also just too comically arsehole.
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