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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2017 2:14:07 GMT
That comment in general was really obnoxious and kind of rude overall. I should add that comment can be avoided. Once you gain control of Shepard, run past the uglies and up the slope. Don't waste time fighting them. She won't make the comment if Shepard has moved far enough away from that spot.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 30, 2017 19:08:04 GMT
That comment in general was really obnoxious and kind of rude overall. I should add that comment can be avoided. Once you gain control of Shepard, run past the uglies and up the slope. Don't waste time fighting them. She won't make the comment if Shepard has moved far enough away from that spot. Thanks for the information about the ending. I may have to try it one of these days. But it seems like it requires some careful planning to have EMS in that range. And what if you play MP? My Galaxy at War screen is at like 97% readiness. I'll probably have to play offline to avoid getting high readiness ratings. And yeah, its interesting you can avoid that comment, but I still want to leave her on Thessia because she makes plenty of other stupid comments on Thessia that you can avoid. But thanks nonetheless.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 30, 2017 19:24:00 GMT
Thanks for the information about the ending. I may have to try it one of these days. But it seems like it requires some careful planning to have EMS in that range. And what if you play MP? My Galaxy at War screen is at like 97% readiness. I'll probably have to play offline to avoid getting high readiness ratings. With your readiness that high, you have to plan what assets you will collect and which ones to avoid. It is doable. Here's a thread that can help get your ems within that range.
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Post by Ogred on Jul 31, 2017 0:36:22 GMT
I liked ME3 ending Destroy AND Synthesys and Control.
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Post by yan on Jul 31, 2017 4:54:46 GMT
Do you want to be mean to Liara? Say you will help her with the hacks and then say that you don´t have time for these bullshit. She freaks out, it's very funny.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 31, 2017 6:09:44 GMT
Thanks for the information about the ending. I may have to try it one of these days. But it seems like it requires some careful planning to have EMS in that range. And what if you play MP? My Galaxy at War screen is at like 97% readiness. I'll probably have to play offline to avoid getting high readiness ratings. With your readiness that high, you have to plan what assets you will collect and which ones to avoid. It is doable. Here's a thread that can help get your ems within that range. Thanks. I will take a look at both topics if I plan to play a run like that in the future. I'll probably do this with my jerk Shepard as an experiment. Also, you were right about Liara not holding my name plate at the end of ME3. I didn't talk to her once in ME3 and Traynor held my plate at the end. Though I'm a tad confused. I was expecting Javik or Kaidan because I talked to them more often. I'm guessing Traynor is the one programmed in second place and even if you talk to her a few times she'll automatically be the one to hold your plate.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2017 12:38:00 GMT
Also, you were right about Liara not holding my name plate at the end of ME3. I didn't talk to her once in ME3 and Traynor held my plate at the end. Though I'm a tad confused. I was expecting Javik or Kaidan because I talked to them more often. I'm guessing Traynor is the one programmed in second place and even if you talk to her a few times she'll automatically be the one to hold your plate. Javik will never hold the nameplate. The other thing is Kaidan misses half the game. Shepard gets to talk with Kaidan twice after he's injured, but not after each mission like Samantha can be talked with. So that would make a difference as well.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 1, 2017 5:41:47 GMT
Also, you were right about Liara not holding my name plate at the end of ME3. I didn't talk to her once in ME3 and Traynor held my plate at the end. Though I'm a tad confused. I was expecting Javik or Kaidan because I talked to them more often. I'm guessing Traynor is the one programmed in second place and even if you talk to her a few times she'll automatically be the one to hold your plate. Javik will never hold the nameplate. The other thing is Kaidan misses half the game. Shepard gets to talk with Kaidan twice after he's injured, but not after each mission like Samantha can be talked with. So that would make a difference as well. I see. I thought he had a chance since in the Citadel DLC it was Liara and Javik that both contacted me on the radio. I never had Javik until this playthrough. So besides Samantha, is there any one else who is a non love interest that can hold the name plate?
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Post by stephenw32768 on Aug 1, 2017 6:22:36 GMT
So besides Samantha, is there any one else who is a non love interest that can hold the name plate? As I recall, Ashley held my femshep's name plate at the end of my second playthrough. That implies that a non-romanced Kaidan can too, if you talk to him enough.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 1, 2017 11:18:04 GMT
So besides Samantha, is there any one else who is a non love interest that can hold the name plate? The only non-love interest is Joker, James and Javik. Ha. All the J names. They will never be seen holding the nameplate. The rest that are seen in the memorial scene are LI. You can have one of the others hold the nameplate. Since its based on who you talk with the most, talking with them on the Citadel counts as well. Samantha has no scenes on the Citadel. Or don't talk to Samantha every time. Talk to her after every second missions if that will help.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 1, 2017 23:25:02 GMT
So besides Samantha, is there any one else who is a non love interest that can hold the name plate? The only non-love interest is Joker, James and Javik. Ha. All the J names. They will never be seen holding the nameplate. The rest that are seen in the memorial scene are LI. You can have one of the others hold the nameplate. Since its based on who you talk with the most, talking with them on the Citadel counts as well. Samantha has no scenes on the Citadel. Or don't talk to Samantha every time. Talk to her after every second missions if that will help. Thanks to both you guys for the response. But don't Javik and James technically count because you can sort of romance them in the Citadel DLC? But either way, its good to know someone like Garrus or Kaidan can be holding the name plate even if they aren't romanced. Now if we could just get rid of Liara out of that Citadel scene, I'd be set.
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Post by Guts on Aug 1, 2017 23:48:31 GMT
Do you want to be mean to Liara? Say you will help her with the hacks and then say that you don´t have time for these bullshit. She freaks out, it's very funny. Thanks for the idea.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 3, 2017 4:51:23 GMT
I do agree that every author tends to have a favorite character but authors should always take care that this love for a character does begin to negatively impact the story. Favoritism for a character that sometimes result in a lack of awareness about how that character is presented. This is often, in my experience, what leads to the dislike for a Creator's Pet. I'll see if I can explain what I mean: While George R. R. Martin loves all his characters, he has said that he loves the character Tyrion Lannister the most. What keeps that love from becoming favoritism and taking overhand is that he does not exempt or shield Tyrion's character from things that are unpleasant or doing things that are unpleasant. Tyrion remains a flawed person whose flaws are acknowledged and whose character development, positive or negative, make sense given what he deals with. There are times where he's humiliated and times where he gets the upper hand. What Tyrion accomplishes also tends to be because he made an effort to achieve them and when the effort pays off, it is in a believable way. While there are times where luck saves his hide, luck is not always there nor is it always how he manages to escape certain situations. To contrast, there is the character Tyrion Lannister in the Game of Thrones series who has become significantly different and who I'd consider to be an example of favoritism taking overhand later on. This Tyrion practically sails through events in comparison to his book counterpart without facing much of any real obstacle and is even granted positions that he hasn't earned in a believable way. Basically, favoritism making the writers give special treatment to a character. Source: grrm.livejournal.com/381419.htmlSucks that Bioware didn't do what George R. R. Martin did, they could've expressed favoritism towards Liara whilst having her develop as an archaeologist, she becomes hardened sure, but she sticks to her character, but no, instead someone on the writing team fell in love with Liara to a point where they completely disregarded any sense of logic with character development and felt they should do everything they could to make their blue waifu look cool. As a result it felt like the plot itself was being manipulated to give Liara an important role, regardless of whether or not it makes any lick of sense given how she was portrayed in ME1. (I haven't watched GoT much) Do you not think that the events of ME 1 wouldn't have profound impact on a relatively innocent person? That going from studying artifacts to being shot at and attempted to be killed while trying to save the galaxy from total destruction wouldn't effect someone like Liara? While more of it could have been shown in game what she became and her role in over all story makes plenty of sense.
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Post by Garo on Aug 5, 2017 19:02:54 GMT
I think the biggest problem as other have said before is that the core character development takes place not in the game but comics. Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. Even then, it could be argued that she acts in the comics how she does in LoTSB. I just felt her characterization between each game was very erratic. I also had a major problem with Bioware constantly shoving her into important roles and having her suddenly develop extreme competence in random skills out of the blue. I mean if it's archaeology stuff, then I don't have a problem with it, like finding the crucible as she was established in ME1 as being an archaeologist, but stuff like becoming an info broker within two years, taking into account her personality in the first game, as well as having her recover Shepard's body, again, she was the greenest member of Shepard's team even by the end of ME1. Having her become the Shadow Broker was ridiculous tbh, the SB is basically an info broker but with a shitload more political power, something that, in ME1 at least, never appealed to her. This also kind of ties into the fact that not everyone likes her, as themikefest has stated in the past. Get it? Blue I will see myself out.
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Post by Guts on Aug 5, 2017 19:49:32 GMT
Yeah, I think that's part of the problem. Even then, it could be argued that she acts in the comics how she does in LoTSB. I just felt her characterization between each game was very erratic. I also had a major problem with Bioware constantly shoving her into important roles and having her suddenly develop extreme competence in random skills out of the blue. I mean if it's archaeology stuff, then I don't have a problem with it, like finding the crucible as she was established in ME1 as being an archaeologist, but stuff like becoming an info broker within two years, taking into account her personality in the first game, as well as having her recover Shepard's body, again, she was the greenest member of Shepard's team even by the end of ME1. Having her become the Shadow Broker was ridiculous tbh, the SB is basically an info broker but with a shitload more political power, something that, in ME1 at least, never appealed to her. This also kind of ties into the fact that not everyone likes her, as themikefest has stated in the past. Get it? Blue I will see myself out. Haha, I was going to say, no pun intended.
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Post by Guts on Aug 5, 2017 20:09:10 GMT
Sucks that Bioware didn't do what George R. R. Martin did, they could've expressed favoritism towards Liara whilst having her develop as an archaeologist, she becomes hardened sure, but she sticks to her character, but no, instead someone on the writing team fell in love with Liara to a point where they completely disregarded any sense of logic with character development and felt they should do everything they could to make their blue waifu look cool. As a result it felt like the plot itself was being manipulated to give Liara an important role, regardless of whether or not it makes any lick of sense given how she was portrayed in ME1. (I haven't watched GoT much) Do you not think that the events of ME 1 wouldn't have profound impact on a relatively innocent person? That going from studying artifacts to being shot at and attempted to be killed while trying to save the galaxy from total destruction wouldn't effect someone like Liara? While more of it could have been shown in game what she became and her role in over all story makes plenty of sense. I get that Liara was supposed to harden as the series went on, but the way it was handled was just silly. I mean how did she acquire all of those skills in two years, especially considering in ME1: A. She had bad social skills. B. She was very naive. (She'd be very easy to take advantage of) The other issue is that not everyone romanced her. Imagine it like this, say there's a girl who I'm not even remotely in interested and potentially refused to acknowledge her existence (Not to say I hated Liara in ME1, I romanced her but let's just say I hate this girl in question) recovered my body to put it through some sketchy resurrection process because she "couldn't let me go". I'd be PISSED, I'd tell her that she had no right whatsoever to do what she did and that she's clingy as fuck, especially if you take into account that she took some of my old items to enshrine in her apartment. Thinking back to a thread where themikefest came up with some renegade interrupts, those are the things I'd say. I mean, considering, as Darth Dennis described in his "Things that Don't Make Sense v2" thread, that Cerberus is a Mary Sue organization, they could've easily recovered Shepard's body on their own, they've got more than enough resources to do so. I also despise info brokers. I also want to bring up Tali, she had a crush on Shepard, but instead of doing what "Liara" (I came up with a headcanon that Liara died in ME2) does, she goes back to the migrant fleet, becoming a high ranking officer on board the Neema, that made sense, her becoming an admiral also made sense, because she had more knowledge of the geth compared to most quarians, so of course they'd elect her. (She didn't really want to become an admiral though) Plus she's also the only squadmate to get a "Cameo" in ME:A, other squadmates are simply referenced. (Rant over)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 6, 2017 1:02:27 GMT
Do you not think that the events of ME 1 wouldn't have profound impact on a relatively innocent person? That going from studying artifacts to being shot at and attempted to be killed while trying to save the galaxy from total destruction wouldn't effect someone like Liara? While more of it could have been shown in game what she became and her role in over all story makes plenty of sense. I get that Liara was supposed to harden as the series went on, but the way it was handled was just silly. I mean how did she acquire all of those skills in two years, especially considering in ME1: A. She had bad social skills. B. She was very naive. (She'd be very easy to take advantage of) The other issue is that not everyone romanced her. Imagine it like this, say there's a girl who I'm not even remotely in interested and potentially refused to acknowledge her existence (Not to say I hated Liara in ME1, I romanced her but let's just say I hate this girl in question) recovered my body to put it through some sketchy resurrection process because she "couldn't let me go". I'd be PISSED, I'd tell her that she had no right whatsoever to do what she did and that she's clingy as fuck, especially if you take into account that she took some of my old items to enshrine in her apartment. Thinking back to a thread where themikefest came up with some renegade interrupts, those are the things I'd say. I mean, considering, as Darth Dennis described in his "Things that Don't Make Sense v2" thread, that Cerberus is a Mary Sue organization, they could've easily recovered Shepard's body on their own, they've got more than enough resources to do so. I also despise info brokers. I also want to bring up Tali, she had a crush on Shepard, but instead of doing what "Liara" (I came up with a headcanon that Liara died in ME2) does, she goes back to the migrant fleet, becoming a high ranking officer on board the Neema, that made sense, her becoming an admiral also made sense, because she had more knowledge of the geth compared to most quarians, so of course they'd elect her. (She didn't really want to become an admiral though) Plus she's also the only squadmate to get a "Cameo" in ME:A, other squadmates are simply referenced. (Rant over) A. Social skills are more then capable of being developed with a good year or more of interaction with people. Unless you have some sort of mental disability that causes problems anyone can develop social skills when you actually spend time with them. Liara was lacking in social skills because the nature of her job. Her job which is ferreting out details and information hidden from everyone due to the march of time actually lends it self to the basics of the information broker set up. There are differences but not as much as some might think. There were a dozen graves found in the basement of Ben Franklin's house. Does that automatically mean he was secretly a serial killer? No because the details can't be taken at face value and there are always hidden details we might not know about. B. You are working under the assumption that personality traits remain constant at all times. Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Stupidity is having the knowledge but disregarding it because they don't like it. She was at worst ignorant. But the time spend with Shepard and crew would provide the knowledge. Sovereign and Saren were only able to get that far because of the complete lack of main stream information about the Reapers or Saren. The Reapers being the real cause for the Protheans to be wiped from the galaxy would interest her a lot as well. And any information that could be gathered about them would help fight against them when they showed up again as Shepard believed they would. It isn't a stretch by any imagination. For the rest well what do you expect? True choice is an impossibility in a video game that goes beyond 1 game. If they applied the same logic you are applying when you booted up ME 2 and choose to import your ME 1 character and it saw that you were a dick to her to the point she wouldn't gain any loyalty to you, and the game told you that you can not import the data because of your choices. How would you react? On top of that there are many choices in the game that should lead instantly to a critical failure and game over. Yet those choices are never given impacts they should have due to the whole no choice is wrong mentality the game has. Which is both a strength and weakness. So you lack true choice but you are also protected from true consequences. And example that in ME 1's ending by every set up the players are shown choosing to sacrifice the council by the logic shown in game should result in the Council forces being over whelmed and the Geth attacking the Alliance Fleet from behind. Resulting it being wiped out and/or being unable to deliver the killing blow to Sovereign before it recovered. On top of that the Allinace attack from the rear destroying several Geth ships would allow the Citadel forces a chance to rally and counter attack. Thus why the Geth fleet would be defeated at the end. Sacrificing the council they are defeated by sheer plot convenience. So you know mixed results.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 6, 2017 18:58:24 GMT
I should have the option to boot Joker off the Normandy and hire a less obnoxious pilot.
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Post by obbie1984 on Aug 15, 2017 22:38:15 GMT
I don't know if this is unpopular or not, but lately, I am liking Miranda less and less. I know she's more popular than most of the other human characters, but I think she's one of the weaker ones now.
I remember I was strongly in the camp where I thought she was a really good character that grows nicely by the end of ME3 whether she lives or dies. And she is even better when romanced. But recently, I did a playthrough with Jack romance and Miranda romance. And Miranda is a lot weaker than I remember. Jack was more interesting and a more fun character to boot. Miranda's arc in ME3 just rehashes what she did in ME2 too. Its actually very similar to Ashley's romance. And her sister being a damsel is kind of annoying also. Also, I know where she's coming from, but she is more focused on her sister than the Reapers. Other characters with family don't come off as poorly (Kaidan, Garrus, Ashley).
Her romance is also not as good as I remember. It used to be my favorite, but the distinct lack of emotion Miranda and broshep shows is kind of bad. Even broshep's voice acting in Miranda's romance is weak compared to his other romances. It seems if you break up with her or she dies is there any real emotion. I know Miranda is not as affectionate as other romances, but she does say she's gotten attached to you. So her barely showing much difference from a non romanced Shepard is kind of puzzling. In ME2 her romance arc and dialogue/banter is not as believable as Jack or Tali's is. And both Tali and Jack have nice arcs to finish up ME3. Even with the limited content, Jack still really shines. In ME2, there isn't a whole lot of interesting dialogue leading up to a romance outside of maybe physical attraction with Miranda.
And speaking of that, I don't even think Miranda is all that good looking. She's seen as the sexy and beautiful one. But she often looks awkward and weird in many scenes. And her "asset" isn't attractive either because it looks ridiculous. Oddly, Ashley and Jack both look more feminine and believable than her. Which is a shame because the actress Miranda is based on is very beautiful. It also doesn't hurt that Ashley, Tali, and Jack and broshep interact a lot more interestingly with each other than Miranda and broshep. And his voice acting with them sounds like he actually cares about them as I mentioned before.
So long story short, Miranda's character is not as good as I remembered. Its actually kind of weak. She's only becomes decent with the Citadel DLC. Without it, its very poor.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 20, 2017 19:58:24 GMT
I wish Shepard could pray with Ashley.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 29, 2017 21:48:56 GMT
Aria is fun, but predictable. I like Nyreen more, and wish we had more missions with her.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 31, 2017 3:58:03 GMT
I wish Shepard could pray with Ashley. Why? That is just opening up a can of worms for little gain.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 16, 2017 14:24:57 GMT
I don't know if I would call this an unpopular opinion but I liked the more linear and streamlined level design found in ME2/3.
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Post by N7Valentine on Sept 20, 2017 16:34:55 GMT
- I like Ashley Williams. I never understood the hate for her. She's a decent character and feels like being the most realistic and she actually isn't really racist, just cautious with other species as she belives each one of them will look out on their own.... and that wasn't really far-fetched tbh - Ash is my favorite romance in the OT. She and M!Shep have this incredible chemistry - I pretty much hate Liara T'Soni
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 21, 2017 3:51:48 GMT
For some Mass Effect was tarnished the minute Mass Effect 2 came along and derailed everything with its plot that didn't actually go anywhere. Mass Effect 3 suffered the burden of having to do what ME2 didn't do, and tie up everything. I love all three games. The endings were poor, but I look past them, since I loved the actual final mission on Earth preceding the beam run. And I just headcanon Citadel DLC ending as the trilogy ending, so I'm all good. I've always said Mass Effect 2 is a fantastic game, it improved many aspects of ME1 (although at the same time it simplified to near overkill a lot of the RPG elements ((muh skill tree points and equipable ammo types and Frictionless Materials IX)) and exploration of the original) but its plot suffers from simply not really doing anything with the story. I love the start with the destruction of the Normandy and everyone thinking that you're dead but the overall plot with the Reapers and Collectors does nothing for the big picture, if anything some insight into how the Reapers work. Although without a doubt Mass Effect 2 has some of the best moments of the franchise as well as plot twists (Legion being the god he is, the Collectors having been once Protheans, Reaper IFF mission, the amazing cast of squadmates, the fact that Jacobs loyalty mission plays on the stereotype of black fathers leaving their kids/household at an early age and never appearing again ((still can't believe they put that in and barely anyone noticed)), etc etc). As a standalone game it is an absolute 10/10, I've always said it felt, overall, like a standalone game because of how it starts and ends. IMO ME1 is the king of the franchise by far still. It's like the writers can't help themselves but to generalize black men as worthless fathers. Typical cliche racial biased writing.
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