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Post by copper on Dec 28, 2017 13:42:05 GMT
As someone who liked both Ashley and Kaidan, I've always wished I could have left Liara on Virmire instead
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Post by PostGameParty on Dec 28, 2017 14:37:10 GMT
As someone who liked both Ashley and Kaidan, I've always wished I could have left Liara on Virmire instead Same but with Wrex instead. Don't dislike him but don't really care about him much either.
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Post by copper on Dec 28, 2017 14:56:23 GMT
As someone who liked both Ashley and Kaidan, I've always wished I could have left Liara on Virmire instead Same but with Wrex instead. Don't dislike him but don't really care about him much either. Oh yeah I like Wrex a lot, but lately I've been killing him on Virmire as well. It makes the genophage decision in ME3 more of a dilemma imo
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Post by themikefest on Dec 28, 2017 15:20:44 GMT
I usually don't recruit Wrex, but when I do, I end up shooting him most of the time on Virmire.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Dec 29, 2017 4:51:15 GMT
You can leave him on Citadel.
Garrus on the other hand is default recruit in ME2...... have to kill him off if you don't like him acting as if he's your friend.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 29, 2017 6:08:02 GMT
If Garrus isn't recruited in ME1, he will still say 'just like old times'. Its too bad my Shepard couldn't ask him what old times he's talking about.
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Post by obbie1984 on Dec 29, 2017 7:25:13 GMT
I think its weirder that if Ashley kills Wrex in ME1 while you are still trying to talk him down, Wreav blames you. Its strange because when ME2 recaps the events of ME1, it does say Ashley killed Wrex on Virmire. But Shepard just accepts the blame like he/she actually did it.
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Post by Ahriman on Dec 29, 2017 9:27:31 GMT
I think its weirder that if Ashley kills Wrex in ME1 while you are still trying to talk him down, Wreav blames you. Its strange because when ME2 recaps the events of ME1, it does say Ashley killed Wrex on Virmire. But Shepard just accepts the blame like he/she actually did it. Shepard is Ashley's commanding officer, so what she did there is on him/her. Even if writers just forgot to deal with that scenario.
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Post by copper on Dec 29, 2017 15:59:23 GMT
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion since I've seen quite a bit of discussion about the genophage arc. But I feel like there wasn't enough discussion in ME3 for how Wrex could maintain control over the krogan population in the event that the genophage is cured. His whole strategy in ME2 was controlling access to fertile females. But if the genophage is cured that goes out the window because every krogan clan will have fertile females. Eve says the females can still choose to limit their reproduction but surely not all females would choose to do this? idk, is there a conversation somewhere in the game that I'm just not remembering?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2017 17:34:58 GMT
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion since I've seen quite a bit of discussion about the genophage arc. But I feel like there wasn't enough discussion in ME3 for how Wrex could maintain control over the krogan population in the event that the genophage is cured. His whole strategy in ME2 was controlling access to fertile females. But if the genophage is cured that goes out the window because every krogan clan will have fertile females. Eve says the females can still choose to limit their reproduction but surely not all females would choose to do this? idk, is there a conversation somewhere in the game that I'm just not remembering? They definitely don't discuss it. It's part of why Garrus suggests hiring a food taster for Wrex. Or why Mordin's own opinion on the subject varies based on who is in charge (Wreav? Wrex/Bakara? Wrex solo?) He trusts Wrex and even more with Bakara present. Wreav....not so much, even with Bakara.
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Post by copper on Dec 29, 2017 17:47:32 GMT
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion since I've seen quite a bit of discussion about the genophage arc. But I feel like there wasn't enough discussion in ME3 for how Wrex could maintain control over the krogan population in the event that the genophage is cured. His whole strategy in ME2 was controlling access to fertile females. But if the genophage is cured that goes out the window because every krogan clan will have fertile females. Eve says the females can still choose to limit their reproduction but surely not all females would choose to do this? idk, is there a conversation somewhere in the game that I'm just not remembering? They definitely don't discuss it. It's part of why Garrus suggests hiring a food taster for Wrex. Or why Mordin's own opinion on the subject varies based on who is in charge (Wreav? Wrex/Bakara? Wrex solo?) He trusts Wrex and even more with Bakara present. Wreav....not so much, even with Bakara. That's what I thought. I really wish they added in a conversation similar to the one in Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2, where you could debate with him about the ethical issues around the genophage. It could at least give some theories on how Wrex could adapt his leadership techniques to maintain control. As much as I see why the krogan would want the genophage gone, I'm very skeptical about the long term effects of the cure. Even if you have both Wrex and Bakara leading Clan Urdnot and they can prevent a population explosion within their own clan, they don't really have any influence over the others anymore.
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Post by themikefest on Dec 29, 2017 18:14:47 GMT
If sabotaging the genophage, Wrex will say 'or did you think I'm as dumb as my brother Wreav?', when confronting Shepard. Yes he is as dumb, if not dumber.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2017 18:23:45 GMT
If sabotaging the genophage, Wrex will say 'or did you think I'm as dumb as my brother Wreav?', when confronting Shepard. Yes he is as dumb, if not dumber. I actually disagree. Wrex is the one krogan willing to buck with "tradition" on Tuchanka. He is the rare krogan that actually wants more for his people than endless fighting and conquering. Wreav is just like all the rest of them. When Mordin stepped on Tuchanka in ME3, he was willing to kill him rather than rely on a salarian. However, if a new MW-oriented ME game ever came out, I'd love to see Drack. He was the best of them IMO (of the males).
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Post by themikefest on Dec 29, 2017 19:19:33 GMT
I actually disagree. Wrex is the one krogan willing to buck with "tradition" on Tuchanka. He is the rare krogan that actually wants more for his people than endless fighting and conquering. Wreav is just like all the rest of them. When Mordin stepped on Tuchanka in ME3, he was willing to kill him rather than rely on a salarian. However, if a new MW-oriented ME game ever came out, I'd love to see Drack. He was the best of them IMO (of the males). I disagree with your disagree In ME1, if Wrex isn't recruited, he will be at the elevator wanting to talk to Shepard about joining him/her to chase Saren. He pushes/shoves/hits Shepard. Why would I want him on my ship? How do I know he won't do something worse? **** him On Virmire he decides his shotgun will convince Shepard to save the data about a cure for the genophage. He might be able to shoot Shepard, but the other squadmates will gun him down as will the salarians. Why not leave Shepard to go after the information himself? Because he doesn't think that way. He believes his shotgun will let him get his way. So much for trying to help his species. In ME3, while in the truck, he wants a new planet. I wouldn't give him one. Fix the one you have. His species has wasted however long doing nothing about rebuilding it, but instead mope around since the genophage has been around. The worst thing he did was to his own species. Instead of keeping the audio file to himself to save for after the reapers are destroyed, if they're destroyed, he decides to confront Shepard. Had he not done that, he could face the council with the information he had saying his species met their end of the bargain, but Shepard didn't. He could demand almost anything. Would the council give him what he might ask for? Don't know. Because of him, his species will be worst off.
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Post by obbie1984 on Dec 29, 2017 23:28:30 GMT
I actually disagree. Wrex is the one krogan willing to buck with "tradition" on Tuchanka. He is the rare krogan that actually wants more for his people than endless fighting and conquering. Wreav is just like all the rest of them. When Mordin stepped on Tuchanka in ME3, he was willing to kill him rather than rely on a salarian. However, if a new MW-oriented ME game ever came out, I'd love to see Drack. He was the best of them IMO (of the males). I disagree with your disagree In ME1, if Wrex isn't recruited, he will be at the elevator wanting to talk to Shepard about joining him/her to chase Saren. He pushes/shoves/hits Shepard. Why would I want him on my ship? How do I know he won't do something worse? **** him On Virmire he decides his shotgun will convince Shepard to save the data about a cure for the genophage. He might be able to shoot Shepard, but the other squadmates will gun him down as will the salarians. Why not leave Shepard to go after the information himself? Because he doesn't think that way. He believes his shotgun will let him get his way. So much for trying to help his species. In ME3, while in the truck, he wants a new planet. I wouldn't give him one. Fix the one you have. His species has wasted however long doing nothing about rebuilding it, but instead mope around since the genophage has been around. The worst thing he did was to his own species. Instead of keeping the audio file to himself to save for after the reapers are destroyed, if they're destroyed, he decides to confront Shepard. Had he not done that, he could face the council with the information he had saying his species met their end of the bargain, but Shepard didn't. He could demand almost anything. Would the council give him what he might ask for? Don't know. Because of him, his species will be worst off. You know, even though Wrex is my favorite character in the series, I never thought of it like this. These are all amazing points of how flawed Wrex is as a character. Or how some of his thinking doesn't make sense at all. I guess this just show he is very krogan like deep down. But I thought if you didn't recruit him in ME1 once you become a Spectre, he just leaves and is never heard from again. I had no idea that he "attacks" Shepard. There are still so many things about this franchise I don't know. I know for sure this is an unpopular opinion though. The more times I play the ME series, I hate Liara more (not surprising coming from me) and I also find Garrus less and less interesting. I remember I used to think Garrus was awesome when I first started, but with each subsequent playthrough, I found him more boring. I also found much of his dialogue pointless and a lot of his jokes not funny. And also his banter in ME3 is pretty bad and he sounds so... Americanized if that is the right word. An instance that I found annoying was on Palaven. When that fighter crashes a few feet from Shepard, Garrus says "that was a little closer than I'd like." I don't know, that line just came off as disrespectful to me.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 1, 2018 1:14:48 GMT
I could shoot Conrad Verner for being excessively fanboyish (which I never do) and yet I can't do or say anything when Liara also made shrines out of me....? which is apparently nothing and harmless? Pretty girl do get away with everything right? (Except I'm a pretty girl too which does cancel that bs out...) I wished this was a nitpicking complaint.... except avoiding her was never optional. Also, I was really irritated that I can't even escape her even in Andromeda. I just want to learn more about my in-game dad and somehow she KNOWS I'm Shepard. I know this was the Liara's grandmaster fanboy doing. Honestly, if this crap still happen with ME5, I legit going to tear any Liara shit from the Mass Effect stuff that I already have and openly burn it. Which shrine is that? Also not played Andromeda so no idea about what you say with that.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 1, 2018 3:48:00 GMT
Conrad did made a Shepard shrine. Just a picture though and Shepard was annoyed by that.
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Post by Phantom on Jan 1, 2018 4:39:36 GMT
As someone who liked both Ashley and Kaidan, I've always wished I could have left Liara on Virmire instead well that type of POV might get you recruited into a shady organization. don't worry,we give any human a chance that believes any alien behaves like Liara is very creepy.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 1, 2018 6:15:29 GMT
Technically, ALL your crew should be expendable on Virmire like in ME2. Not just choosing between Kaidan and Ashley. Liara's plot-armor is just specific fanservice especially when there's other characters who doesn't deserve being default dead (Thane and Legion notable). --- I considered long-term effect of the cure on ALL Krogan's physiology is detrimental for that species. That's the fallacy of the genophage throughout the centuries its implemented, simply neutering them don't solve the ongoing issue of internal aggression among the krogans and it even made things worse a lot worse especially for fertile and infertile krogan female (unlike the males, the female form a united clan). I would probably be pro-genophage if Krogan became uber-fertile on Andromeda and its species threatened the rest of species there.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 1, 2018 7:05:18 GMT
I know for sure this is an unpopular opinion though. The more times I play the ME series, I hate Liara more (not surprising coming from me) and I also find Garrus less and less interesting. I remember I used to think Garrus was awesome when I first started, but with each subsequent playthrough, I found him more boring. I also found much of his dialogue pointless and a lot of his jokes not funny. And also his banter in ME3 is pretty bad and he sounds so... Americanized if that is the right word. An instance that I found annoying was on Palaven. When that fighter crashes a few feet from Shepard, Garrus says "that was a little closer than I'd like." I don't know, that line just came off as disrespectful to me. VERY unpopular. I've already covered about Liara... but Garrus...... wince...... I've been called a monster and a lot worse simply for criticizing these two characters..... who did get a lot worse the more you keep playing the trilogy over and over and start to analyse them.... err... Its very easy to like Garrus. He was always portrayed as badass and a renegade who went against the rule and its charming and flashy and space western-y... and he was written as someone who admire you, who like everything you do regardless, who NEVER says no to you and he always say he was your friend who always stay by your side. Not surprisingly so MANY people like this kind of attention.... except that it does get old. .... you start to notice how in every game, everything he do have a purpose that benefit only him alone, and everything you did to him was to constantly save him from himself. You first meet him at the Citadel Towers, after he failed to make his case about Saren. You find him again, in a botched hostage rescue attempt with him alone against many armed mercenaries. In ME2, he left C-Sec to Omega, somehow orchestrated an internal war on Omega and got all of his people killed. Every dialogue associated to this, he specifically blamed Sidonis whereas ALL merc leader blamed him specifically for killing their people and trying to assassinate them for months. If you let him kill Sidonis, as far as he concerned, he tied that loose end and emerged entirely blameless. In ME3, we see him suddenly becoming Reaper Advisor and working along with future Primarch of Palaven .. and then he suddenly reveal his familial connection to the last Primarch of Palaven..... Throughout the trilogy, you've been trying to convince the Turian Councilor to side with you and somehow Garrus kept his Primarch connection all by himself because he's angry with his daddy? But then you observe the way he treat Wrex in particular (he never openly was fond with Wrex, often time trading casual insults and even when Wrex respond with fondness, Garrus always treat him cautiously.. like he would to a snake.. ), the way he talk about Kaidan and Ashley (he specifically asked you if you could kill them because they're on your way), the way he talk to Vega (when bragging about being Archangel fail... he suddenly take credit to the things Shepard done) and while he avoid Liara's familiarity and he seemed didn't mind when trying to get under Tali's nerve in ME1 and ME2 before he eventually apologize in ME3 to pursue her romantically... all these was the side of Garrus he never show to you as Shepard. And even from ME1 to ME3, he's trying so hard to be on your good side that its frankly impossible to interact with him neutrally except in ME1... because either way, your Shepard constantly agreeing with him and enjoy the attention from him. But I always see him as a two-faced narcissist.... who know exactly what he's doing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 1, 2018 16:23:16 GMT
In ME3, we see him suddenly becoming Reaper Advisor and working along with future Primarch of Palaven .. and then he suddenly reveal his familial connection to the last Primarch of Palaven..... Throughout the trilogy, you've been trying to convince the Turian Councilor to side with you and somehow Garrus kept his Primarch connection all by himself because he's angry with his daddy? Just a quick note here to stress that Garrus's father was NOT the primarch. No known familial connection to Fedorian (or Victus). His father was C-Sec until retirement, or at least a "cop" in some capacity. However, he was considered important enough to have the ear of people like the primarch. If Garrus had the pull you think wouldn't he have been able to get around Executor Pallin squashing his investigation? (Because that's what happened - it's not that he couldn't convince them it's that he wasn't allowed to pursue it.) I don't care if you hate Garrus but I think it's best if the reasons hold up. Or else just don't like his personality, which is also fine.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 1, 2018 18:11:06 GMT
Conrad did made a Shepard shrine. Just a picture though and Shepard was annoyed by that. So anyone keeping lets say someone having a signed used guitar from John Lennon is equally creepy? How about a signed player worn jersey from QB Joe Montana?
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 1, 2018 19:25:20 GMT
In ME3, we see him suddenly becoming Reaper Advisor and working along with future Primarch of Palaven .. and then he suddenly reveal his familial connection to the last Primarch of Palaven..... Throughout the trilogy, you've been trying to convince the Turian Councilor to side with you and somehow Garrus kept his Primarch connection all by himself because he's angry with his daddy? Just a quick note here to stress that Garrus's father was NOT the primarch. No known familial connection to Fedorian (or Victus). His father was C-Sec until retirement, or at least a "cop" in some capacity. However, he was considered important enough to have the ear of people like the primarch. If Garrus had the pull you think wouldn't he have been able to get around Executor Pallin squashing his investigation? (Because that's what happened - it's not that he couldn't convince them it's that he wasn't allowed to pursue it.) I don't care if you hate Garrus but I think it's best if the reasons hold up. Or else just don't like his personality, which is also fine. In Mass Effect Homeworlds, Garrus was supposed to be on a summer trip for his scholarship which he left because he think his dad expects him to be a cop anyway. His father was a senior C-Sec officer throughout ME1 and ME2 and through his friendship, Castis have ties to Primarch Fedorian of Palaven (the same Primarch who had to deal with aftermath of First Contact War and worked hard to better the relationship and secure alliance with humanity afterwards. Why do you think Normandy exist in the first place?) and through his work at Citadel, Castis should have ties to the Turian Councillor (and Alec Ryder to boot). Garrus NEVER reveal his estrangement was rooted to his inability to function appropriately as a law enforcer. There's a reason why he quit his job and immediately became enamored by the Spectre having no rules and regulations; he preferred to use violence and intimidation to interrogate his suspects because its more direct and easier than paperwork. Castis have been covering him (after Garrus ruined a case) and berated how Garrus should quit if he wasn't ready for that responsibility... And Garrus merely talk to his father ONCE, within six months of Shepard's incarceration, and he got direct audience and direct trust to the turian leadership... something that Shepard have been trying to do in ME1 and ME2 and FAILED. Throughout the trilogy, Garrus seemed to have trouble to consider his actions and inaction does have consequences, rather than taking up by himself, he choose the EASIEST route; ALWAYS expecting Shepard to fix whatever he fucked up and always expects you to rescue him from whatever responsibility he had at that moment.... and this fully adult turian male always needed Shepard to constantly coach him from deciding what is right or wrong to the concept of friendship (and not gunning your friends) to understanding racial relationship and trying to have empathy and be considerate to people's feelings and eventually romance.... but absolutely have no problem roughing up and murdering people he thinks deserve a bullet in the eye.... Garrus was not like every other NPCs, he was first introduced as a cop.... he's not a professional soldier nor experienced mercenary nor an assassin or tortured as a child and on a revenge path or being imprinted while growing up in a tank... Garrus penchant for execution without due process should be a red flag but the entire trilogy treat this as if it was something to be celebrated.
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Post by aoibhealfae on Jan 1, 2018 19:26:53 GMT
Conrad did made a Shepard shrine. Just a picture though and Shepard was annoyed by that. So anyone keeping lets say someone having a signed used guitar from John Lennon is equally creepy? How about a signed player worn jersey from QB Joe Montana? The equivalent should be someone keeping bloodied clothes of John Lennon. Because that's really what that armor is.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 1, 2018 20:24:29 GMT
So anyone keeping lets say someone having a signed used guitar from John Lennon is equally creepy? How about a signed player worn jersey from QB Joe Montana? The equivalent should be someone keeping bloodied clothes of John Lennon. Because that's really what that armor is. US National Archives has Jackie Kennedy's unwashed blood stained cloths from the day her husband was assassinated. Clothing, objects and items from important and famous people who died are always collected and retained. Shepard was the hero that saved the Citadel from Geth invasion (Reapers) and would have been collected and saved by Council or Alliance and kept in a museum or archive as well. What is the difference between a private owner and a government keeping said object?
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