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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 1, 2018 20:59:09 GMT
Garrus NEVER reveal his estrangement was rooted to his inability to function appropriately as a law enforcer. There's a reason why he quit his job and immediately became enamored by the Spectre having no rules and regulations; he preferred to use violence and intimidation to interrogate his suspects because its more direct and easier than paperwork. Castis have been covering him (after Garrus ruined a case) and berated how Garrus should quit if he wasn't ready for that responsibility... Garrus continual talks about in ME 1 the rules and regulations that C Sec followed allows people to get away with crimes. His special mission in ME 1 was finding Dr. Heart or what ever his name was. The rules and regulations prevented Garrus from taking the shot allowing him to escape. He likes Specters because they are not limited by such rules. If a Specter wanted to take the shot to stop him they would be allowed to with no one to stand in their way. If a Specter wanted to take longer time to investigate something they would be allowed to. They wouldn't have their investigation curtailed because politics. And Garrus merely talk to his father ONCE, within six months of Shepard's incarceration, and he got direct audience and direct trust to the turian leadership... something that Shepard have been trying to do in ME1 and ME2 and FAILED. Yes he explained everything to his father who saw his son was serious and was able to convince him to push for increased defensive capabilities. Which was only rewarded to Garrus as a shut him up way. Given how limited the resources he did get. Garrus actually laments at how limited time and resources he got and how little it helped. Throughout the trilogy, Garrus seemed to have trouble to consider his actions and inaction does have consequences, rather than taking up by himself, he choose the EASIEST route; ALWAYS expecting Shepard to fix whatever he fucked up and always expects you to rescue him from whatever responsibility he had at that moment.... and this fully adult turian male always needed Shepard to constantly coach him from deciding what is right or wrong to the concept of friendship (and not gunning your friends) to understanding racial relationship and trying to have empathy and be considerate to people's feelings and eventually romance.... but absolutely have no problem roughing up and murdering people he thinks deserve a bullet in the eye.... Garrus actually has a pretty firm grasp on his actions have consequences. He isn't always aware what they could be but that is normal. For example he was aware after the fact what trusting Sordous meant after he betrayed the group. He knew that he would get the attention of the gangs of Omega but it would mean good people would live slightly better lives with the gangs being picked off and concentrating on him and his crew. Garrus never specifically requested that Shepard help him in Omega. But when Shepard shows up Garrus is happy for the help. A lot of the help me do X is protagonist stuff as well. Every video game NPC's need help doing a lot of stuff. In Skyrim you can literally deliver potions to people who are a 4 minute walk away from each other in the same town.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jan 2, 2018 6:59:22 GMT
I do agree that it is very easy to like Garrus initially. Even after so many playthroughs, I still don't hate him. I think he's ok. I've actually never even done a run with him dead. Its probably something I should try at one point. Its just that most of his roles seem really inconsequential. In ME1 and ME2 he really didn't do or say much honestly. But yet people loved this guy. Even his romance is just ok to me. Most of the time he is just being awkward and goofy. And on occasion he will be serious or charming. I have heard some girls say his Citadel DLC scene where he kind of "urges" Shepard to dance is not such a great scene.
And in ME3, its kind of messed up right after Wrex asks Garrus if he knew about the bomb that Garrus starts to appreciate the crudeness of the bomb. And I don't know why his banter just bothers me so much in certain missions. I just don't get how a character that is so... not alien gets so much love, but then characters like Ash/Kaidan/James are hated so much. I mean, he never really ever acted like an alien, but in ME3, its like they weren't even trying anymore. And he tries way too hard to be funny. Also, I remember I got called an idiot by a Garrus fans because I said he was dull and that Alistair was a better bro/more interesting character than him.
And I'm not even going to bother about Liara. I've already talked about why I dislike her so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 16:09:57 GMT
I always liked Garrus, he's cool, but was surprised when I first learned how much people loved him. After a few playthroughs, I even developed some affection towards Ashley (only in ME1), more so than to Garrus. I'm not sure if I like his revenge-driven bad mofo role in ME2, but it worked well enough. One thing I'll give him is that he was probably the most consistent and reliable character over the course of the entire trilogy. ME3 pissed me off with a lot of things, but Garrus was maybe the one who still gave me some sense of "home" and "good old times".
edit: Tali was consistent and reliable too actually, but she never felt like a core character the way Garrus did.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 4, 2018 15:00:01 GMT
US National Archives has Jackie Kennedy's unwashed blood stained cloths from the day her husband was assassinated. This is a poor example if you're trying to explain why the asari has Shepard's armor. Jackie's outfit was given to the archives. The archives did not take it from Jackie's corpse. Google to learn more As true as that is, how many of those items taken were from people that claimed to be friends with the individual of that item without informing anyone? It would have been collected by the Alliance since the armor is Alliance property. The council would have nothing to do with it since it wasn't issued by them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance ask's Mrs Shepard, for those that play a spacer, on her thoughts of what to do with the armor. Are you saying Liara is a private owner? What gives her the right to keep the armor? What answer would she give if someone were to visit her and ask her about it? The other thing is why would she have the armor especially if Shepard treated her badly in ME1? Shepard can say that he/she will throw her sorry a** in the volcano. That alone would cause me to avoid that person and not take anything from that person to keep in my apartment as a prize/trophy. Even better I wouldn't go looking for that person's corpse since that person is dead. Since you have no problem with the asari having Shepard's armor, would you have a problem if...say...Jacob, or better yet, Conrad had the armor?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Jan 4, 2018 15:18:21 GMT
US National Archives has Jackie Kennedy's unwashed blood stained cloths from the day her husband was assassinated. This is a poor example if you're trying to explain why the asari has Shepard's armor. Jackie's outfit was given to the archives. The archives did not take it from Jackie's corpse. Google to learn more As true as that is, how many of those items taken were from people that claimed to be friends with the individual of that item without informing anyone? It would have been collected by the Alliance since the armor is Alliance property. The council would have nothing to do with it since it wasn't issued by them. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance ask's Mrs Shepard, for those that play a spacer, on her thoughts of what to do with the armor. Are you saying Liara is a private owner? What gives her the right to keep the armor? What answer would she give if someone were to visit her and ask her about it? The other thing is why would she have the armor especially if Shepard treated her badly in ME1? Shepard can say that he/she will throw her sorry a** in the volcano. That alone would cause me to avoid that person and not take anything from that person to keep in my apartment as a prize/trophy. Even better I wouldn't go looking for that person's corpse since that person is dead. Since you have no problem with the asari having Shepard's armor, would you have a problem if...say...Jacob, or better yet, Conrad had the armor? Considering your well known opinion about Liara I feel talking a hard core KKK member into marrying a black Jewish gay dude would be more fruitful.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 4, 2018 15:44:40 GMT
I'm not a fan of Garrus.
I will look at it from Primarch's view.
Let me get this straight Garrus. When you were investigating Saren you told your boss to stall the council without having any evidence. You know better. I also heard he removed you from the case, which I agree. You left C-Sec because you don't like rules and regulations. You do know they're there for a reason, right? Even I don't agree with all the rules we have for our species, but they're there for a reason.
You join a human, Commander Shepard, to chase Saren. I've heard of Shepard. She sounds like a good human. Maybe I will meet her one day.
After what happened with the Citadel, and after the Normandy is destroyed, you decide to go to Omega to shoot bad guys. Why? Don't you do that being with C-Sec? Oops. I forgot. You don't like rules and regulations. For you its your way or the highway.
You tell me Shepard is dead and that Cerberus brought her back to go after the Collectors. I knew very little of them until you told me your story. So you decided to help Shepard, who's working with Cerberus, a group our species doesn't like, to stop an enemy that is going after human colonists? Interesting. Lets back up for a moment. When chasing Saren you knew about the reapers from Shepard. Even talked with one and talked with a prothean hologram on Ilos about what the reapers will do, but yet you wasted 2 years shooting bad guys instead of trying to find a way to stop them? Yet you were willing to join a human to stop an enemy that is a human problem? Do you not care about your species Garrus? Why not take the group you had with you on Omega to find a way to stop the reapers? Didn't you say you knew an asari who knew about the protheans? Get her to help as well. I don't expect you to have found any clues to stopping the reapers, but the fact you made no attempt is troubling.
Now you stand before me asking for me to do something? Tell me Garrus. How many baby bottles did it take before your father had enough of your crying before he brought you to me?
In regards to these reapers. When will they get here? Is there a way to fight them? How will they attack us? Is there anything you know that will help? How many are there?
Garrus: No sir. I don't know. I just know they're on their way here.
You know Garrus, if I was in your shoes, I might do the same, well the part about coming to me, not all that other stuff. I can't do anything without some information about the reapers that I can use. For now, I will make you a temporary advisor. I want you to go talk with all our military leaders. Let them know what might/could happen and give suggestions, if you have any on what to do to stop the reapers. I will inform them of your position. For now, I have some meetings I must attend to. Good day.
In ME3 Garrus adds nothing. There was no reason for him to be on the roster. If anything, he could accompany Primarch Victus on the Normandy and go back to Palaven after the genophage is dealt with.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jan 13, 2018 0:40:12 GMT
This might get me some hate, but as a squadmate Jacob > Garrus in ME2.
I am replaying ME2 again with my Engineer, I am noticing that Garrus is not that great of a squadmate. Zaeed does everything Garrus does but better. And since i have overload myself, I don't need him. Legion is also a stronger sniper and his battle chatter is better. Jacob can take some hits, he's great with the Geth Plasma Shotgun, has pull for warp detonations.... and I actually prefer his dialogue on the Normandy over Garrus'. I think Jacob does better with broshep obviously and I'm surprised some of the renengade lines actually suit them better because they kind of rib each other. I especially liked the line where you can joke with Jacob saying that you're not that shoulder you can cry on.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 13, 2018 6:58:56 GMT
This might get me some hate, but as a squadmate Jacob > Garrus in ME2. I actually only hate on Kaidan haters. I don't care if he's not your favorite but I just can't see what's not to like. He's really not boring.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jan 13, 2018 17:19:41 GMT
This might get me some hate, but as a squadmate Jacob > Garrus in ME2. I am replaying ME2 again with my Engineer, I am noticing that Garrus is not that great of a squadmate. Zaeed does everything Garrus does but better. And since i have overload myself, I don't need him. Legion is also a stronger sniper and his battle chatter is better. Jacob can take some hits, he's great with the Geth Plasma Shotgun, has pull for warp detonations.... and I actually prefer his dialogue on the Normandy over Garrus'. I think Jacob does better with broshep obviously and I'm surprised some of the renengade lines actually suit them better because they kind of rib each other. I especially liked the line where you can joke with Jacob saying that you're not that shoulder you can cry on. Definitely an unpopular opinion, but also a correct opinion. Jacob + Miranda is a good combination since Jacob's Pull and Miranda's (rank 4) Unstable Warp both have a base 9-second cooldown. Since you are an Engineer, Area Overload > Jacob Pull Field > Miranda Unstable Warp = lots of dead enemies. (Whispers: Mordin is an even squadmate for Engineer Shepard. His rank 4 Cryo Blast has a base 4.5 second cooldown which matches up well with your Overload and Incinerate with maxed Tech Mastery (Mechanic/Demolisher). Overload/Incinerate > Mordin Cryo Blast = a lot of frozen enemies)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 20:00:42 GMT
I don't remember if I said this before, but the Mako is my favourite vehicle in the series. Bumpy physics aside, I really liked the mix of vehicular and on-foot combat in ME1. Mixed up the gameplay nicely.
Hammerhead: I don't hate it at all, but too lightweight for my liking. Especially the combat, most of the time it's just circle-strafing around enemies while spamming homing missiles, no aiming required. And then there was virtually no mix-up in the Hammerhead DLC, it felt a bit like some extended arcade mini-game with little connection to the rest of the game. Overlord did more with it, sadly it also did that silly Super Mario style lava platforming shit.
Nomad: Better physics than the Mako, but still a bit too lightweight/easy to me. I actually prefer if there's some heft and limited maneuverability, that makes the Mako feel a bit more real/engaging to me. Most disappointingly, it is unarmed, so it's reduced to pure transport. That makes it actually my least liked vehicle. Still not hating it at all, certainly better than no vehicle at all like in ME3.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jan 13, 2018 21:46:06 GMT
This might get me some hate, but as a squadmate Jacob > Garrus in ME2. I actually only hate on Kaidan haters. I don't care if he's not your favorite but I just can't see what's not to like. He's really not boring. Then you got nothing to worry about in regards to me. Kaidan is my favorite character after Wrex. I really like Ashley too. Definitely way more than Liara and Garrus. Though I can see why people may not be interested in Kaidan. But to say he is whiny, he sucks as a squadmate, or offers nothing interesting is something that I will never get. People likely hate on him for being boring because he doesn't have an overly flashy "bro" personality. He's just a normal dude in terms of how he acts. He doesn't always have constant "clever" quips like Garrus (just like old times). Also, he's not everyone's favorite blue waifu who is super perfect and brings Shepard back who supports him/her no matter what. Kaidan/Ash have their own flaws/beliefs and don't kiss Shepard's ass so they will get hate. Also, people hate on certain squadmates because they are humans, but Garrus and Liara act the most human out of any body I feel. And as much as i like Thane, even he is extremely human as well.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jan 13, 2018 22:05:00 GMT
This might get me some hate, but as a squadmate Jacob > Garrus in ME2. I am replaying ME2 again with my Engineer, I am noticing that Garrus is not that great of a squadmate. Zaeed does everything Garrus does but better. And since i have overload myself, I don't need him. Legion is also a stronger sniper and his battle chatter is better. Jacob can take some hits, he's great with the Geth Plasma Shotgun, has pull for warp detonations.... and I actually prefer his dialogue on the Normandy over Garrus'. I think Jacob does better with broshep obviously and I'm surprised some of the renengade lines actually suit them better because they kind of rib each other. I especially liked the line where you can joke with Jacob saying that you're not that shoulder you can cry on. Definitely an unpopular opinion, but also a correct opinion. Jacob + Miranda is a good combination since Jacob's Pull and Miranda's (rank 4) Unstable Warp both have a base 9-second cooldown. Since you are an Engineer, Area Overload > Jacob Pull Field > Miranda Unstable Warp = lots of dead enemies. (Whispers: Mordin is an even squadmate for Engineer Shepard. His rank 4 Cryo Blast has a base 4.5 second cooldown which matches up well with your Overload and Incinerate with maxed Tech Mastery (Mechanic/Demolisher). Overload/Incinerate > Mordin Cryo Blast = a lot of frozen enemies) Really? Even the part where Jacob's conversations are better than Garrus'? I tend to use Jacob/Thane myself (a shame they never got a resolution between them like Miranda/Jack). I know Miranda is likely a better squadmate than Thane. But I really like characters with snipers like Legion/Thane/Zaeed. Zaeed can also do assault rifles and has inferno grenade so he's amazing. And Thane has a sniper and warp. And yeah, that is my basic strategy in combat as an Engineer. But even if I was a Vanguard or an Adept, I wouldn't take Garrus. I'd take Miranda or Kasumi for my overload needs. And then a good fighter like Thane, Legion, or Zaeed. And I only used Mordin sparingly in this run. Since I liked Engineer enough, I will try this again. Or I can do something similar with Sentinel since it has overload as well.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 14, 2018 11:00:13 GMT
The reaper threat should have ended squarely once and for all in ME1. Their continued existence from that game onward poisoned the setting.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 14, 2018 20:36:00 GMT
The reaper threat should have ended squarely once and for all in ME1. Their continued existence from that game onward poisoned the setting. Don't see how. At the end, Shepard is off to prepare for the coming Reaper invasion. Besides, if it's just the one, they're not really all that after all.
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Post by dragontartare on Jan 14, 2018 21:43:29 GMT
Well, it appears that in this thread at least, liking Garrus is actually the unpopular opinion. So...I like Garrus. He's my favorite squadmate and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
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Post by obbie1984 on Jan 16, 2018 0:02:43 GMT
I have been feeling this for a while, but upon completing ME2 again recently, I'm not a huge fan of some of the more personal matters that the crew have. Jack comes off a little bit too angsty to me. I get why she is like that, but its still off putting. Some of her lines are just bad like "i got thoughts like little bugs crawling in and out of my head." The whole fight between Miranda and Jack is silly. The fact that if you side with Jack, Miranda holds a childish grudge against you is what I'm talking about. This is especially weird when she knows what is at stake and she is supposed to be the professional one. I can see Jack holding a grudge, but its weird coming from Miranda.
And likewise, if you side with Legion over Tali, Tali acts really immature and shoots at the ceiling. The weird animations make this scene even more odd looking. I'm also not a huge fan of Miranda's loyalty mission or how she suddenly develops feelings for you because you helped her. Tali and Jack's romances are more in depth. I also don't like how some of the loyalty missions are very basic in their premise like Garrus wanting revenge and Thane wants to find the son he abandoned. While I like Thane, I am wondering if they couldn't come up with something else for him besides this.
I think ME1 handled the personal matters of the crew better without being overbearing about it. I sometimes feel ME2 went overboard with the personal stuff in an attempt to make these character more endearing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 25, 2018 6:13:48 GMT
Not sure if this is really unpopular, but I think a bullet in the head of everyone who stood in the way of fighting the Reapers: that means the entire Citadel Council (minus Anderson, if he was a councilor, because he's the only one who sided with Shepard), the Alliance Council (well, they get what they deserve, but postmortem recognition of the lives lost due to their inaction would be nice), the Cerberus of ME3 and the dalatrass.
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Post by Vortex13 on Jan 25, 2018 14:45:13 GMT
While I'm quite sure this isn't an unpopular opinion, I am not so sure that many people approach it from this angle.
Mass Effect: Andromeda was bad. For many reasons of course, but my specific gripe with it has is due with how generic, how "un-alien" everything was. We travel over a million light-years and arrive to a place more vanilla, more "human", than any of the previous locations we encountered back in the Milky Way. What's even more disappointing is that all the sapient species we do meet in Helius are even more human-like than the Asari. The Angara could have literally been just humans with blue face and nothing would have changed about them or their depiction in the narrative. The Khett are the resident not-Reapers of the new game and what precious little insight we are given about them or their culture is lost on either being portrayed as something evil to kill, or just being mindlessly hostile. Even the Remnant, who had the most potential for showcasing a new 'alien' intelligence are actually just a type II or III society's version of a Roomba, not anything with intelligence.
I've heard it argued that one can't judge Andromeda too harshly, since it was just the first game in a new trilogy, but we didn't have to look any farther than the very first Mass Effect game to be introduced to aliens like the Elcor, Hanar, Rachni, Thorian, and Geth on top of all the more human-like aliens such as the Asari, Turians, Salarians, and Volus. So yes, I am going to judge Andromeda for it's lack of appreciable alien elements.
Aside from the lack of any alien elements there's the whole situation of sending colonists over without any form of ship mounted protection, but that's a whole other can of worms.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 20:50:18 GMT
While I'm quite sure this isn't an unpopular opinion, I am not so sure that many people approach it from this angle. Mass Effect: Andromeda was bad. For many reasons of course, but my specific gripe with it has is due with how generic, how "un-alien" everything was. We travel over a million light-years and arrive to a place more vanilla, more "human", than any of the previous locations we encountered back in the Milky Way. What's even more disappointing is that all the sapient species we do meet in Helius are even more human-like than the Asari. The Angara could have literally been just humans with blue face and nothing would have changed about them or their depiction in the narrative. The Khett are the resident not-Reapers of the new game and what precious little insight we are given about them or their culture is lost on either being portrayed as something evil to kill, or just being mindlessly hostile. Even the Remnant, who had the most potential for showcasing a new 'alien' intelligence are actually just a type II or III society's version of a Roomba, not anything with intelligence. I've heard it argued that one can't judge Andromeda too harshly, since it was just the first game in a new trilogy, but we didn't have to look any farther than the very first Mass Effect game to be introduced to aliens like the Elcor, Hanar, Rachni, Thorian, and Geth on top of all the more human-like aliens such as the Asari, Turians, Salarians, and Volus. So yes, I am going to judge Andromeda for it's lack of appreciable alien elements. Aside from the lack of any alien elements there's the whole situation of sending colonists over without any form of ship mounted protection, but that's a whole other can of worms. Even though I'm one of the few people who enjoyed Andromeda--even thought it was better than ME3--I can't argue with that. One of ME1's outstanding feats was the fantastic world building. Andromeda is pretty shit at that, nothing's really interesting or compelling in any way. I like it because exploration and looting and super fun combat, but narrative and design of Kett and Angara etc. are just... meh. Not downright awful, but just bland, uninspired, forgettable. ME1 created a sci-fi world rivalling, even besting some of the big sci-fi movie legends. Andromeda's world is just bog-standard generic video game stuff. I do think ME:A has some very redeeming features, but in this regard it is a massive letdown.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2018 4:00:23 GMT
Mass Effect 3 was merely 70% good enough.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jan 26, 2018 4:05:19 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. Saren is a stronger self-reflection to me. He's what you could've become if you don't think your consequences through and he believes in solitude rather than friendship and sticking together. He is on the same lone mission as Shepard where people most likely wouldn't have believed him about the Reapers but he chose to study them and beckon their master and fall under their curse because he's this lone wolf ruthless bastard Spectre. He was actually trying to find a way to stop them but failed but Shepard doesn't because he takes better precautions, has luckier timing and believes in working together with people and also condemns what Reapers do.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 26, 2018 5:56:16 GMT
Tela Vasir was the best antagonist in the game, because she was the only one to really challenge the player´s self-image of having the overall high ground in justifying the consequences of our choices. I do disagree with her actions, but she essentially owned Shepard in that last dialogue. Saren is a stronger self-reflection to me. He's what you could've become if you don't think your consequences through and he believes in solitude rather than friendship and sticking together. He is on the same lone mission as Shepard where people most likely wouldn't have believed him about the Reapers but he chose to study them and beckon their master and fall under their curse because he's this lone wolf ruthless bastard Spectre. He was actually trying to find a way to stop them but failed but Shepard doesn't because he takes better precautions, has luckier timing and believes in working together with people and also condemns what Reapers do. I don't even think he's any worse than a Renegade Shepard prior to indoctrination. Can you really say that the things Saren did were worse than shooting your allies in the back, killing a friend just to make sure the genophage isn't cured? How about killing civilians just so Zaeed can have revenge? (Practically the same thing Anderson was complaining that Saren had done.) Punching Khalisah in the face for not liking her questions? (Talk about anti-free speech...) Betraying Gianna? (Different than simply ignoring her quest.) I could go on, but these are just off the top of my head. Tbh, I imagine a Renegade Shepard being made aware of some ultra-powerful ship would have ended up indoctrinated and working for the Reapers as well.
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Post by opuspace on May 11, 2018 4:00:49 GMT
I do agree that it is very easy to like Garrus initially. Even after so many playthroughs, I still don't hate him. I think he's ok. I've actually never even done a run with him dead. Its probably something I should try at one point. Its just that most of his roles seem really inconsequential. In ME1 and ME2 he really didn't do or say much honestly. But yet people loved this guy. Even his romance is just ok to me. Most of the time he is just being awkward and goofy. And on occasion he will be serious or charming. I have heard some girls say his Citadel DLC scene where he kind of "urges" Shepard to dance is not such a great scene. And in ME3, its kind of messed up right after Wrex asks Garrus if he knew about the bomb that Garrus starts to appreciate the crudeness of the bomb. And I don't know why his banter just bothers me so much in certain missions. I just don't get how a character that is so... not alien gets so much love, but then characters like Ash/Kaidan/James are hated so much. I mean, he never really ever acted like an alien, but in ME3, its like they weren't even trying anymore. And he tries way too hard to be funny. Also, I remember I got called an idiot by a Garrus fans because I said he was dull and that Alistair was a better bro/more interesting character than him. And I'm not even going to bother about Liara. I've already talked about why I dislike her so much. I want to say sorry that you got insulted by a Garrus fan for not being thrilled by him. Honestly, dull is hardly the worst of the hate I've seen directed at him. It's not like you made snide comments about the fanbase either for liking him so that was out of line for them to lash back at you for voicing that.
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Post by themikefest on May 11, 2018 13:30:14 GMT
don't believe this is unpopular, but it might be for some.
I'm sure folks have played or are familiar with the Saints Row games. What if Mass Effect was like that?
Shepard would lead the gang Samantha plays the role of Kinzie Ashley plays Shaundi Kaidan as Gat Anderson as Julius Jacob as Pierce Miranda as Viola James as Oleg Khalisah as Jane Valderamma Conrad as Josh Birk the actor who plays the role of Nyteblayde
The gangs turian known as the Birds asari as The Tentacles salarians as The Lizards quarians as Bucket heads geth as toasters Cerberus as The Keystone Cops
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Post by dmc1001 on May 11, 2018 14:49:46 GMT
Shepard would lead the gang Flashback to the Tenth Street Reds?
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