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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 1:41:17 GMT
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 15, 2016 2:05:03 GMT
But Fenris stayed at your side, if I understand correctly, or not? Unless you friendshipped him and than sided with the mages, in which case he'd try to kill you for your deed... No, if you have friendship, he will side with you no matter what according to the wiki.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 2:07:38 GMT
Unless you friendshipped him and than sided with the mages, in which case he'd try to kill you for your deed... No, if you have friendship, he will side with you no matter what according to the wiki. No, lol. I had friendship with him, and he attacked me when I sided with the mages, or did I not have enough friendship with him? Because yeah, he attacked my Hawke...
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 2:09:48 GMT
Unless you friendshipped him and than sided with the mages, in which case he'd try to kill you for your deed... No, if you have friendship, he will side with you no matter what according to the wiki. Yes, at ~80% friendsip he will leave you, but later you can convince him easily, and on 100% he will not question your choice. This is not correct on wiki?
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 2:13:38 GMT
No, if you have friendship, he will side with you no matter what according to the wiki. No, lol. I had friendship with him, and he attacked me when I sided with the mages, or did I not have enough friendship with him? Because yeah, he attacked my Hawke... No. If you have ~80% friendship or more. He will leave you, but you later will be back, if you want (and asked him). (He never attacked my pro-mage Hawkes.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 2:14:40 GMT
No, lol. I had friendship with him, and he attacked me when I sided with the mages, or did I not have enough friendship with him? Because yeah, he attacked my Hawke... No. If you have ~80% friendship or more. He will leave you, but you later will be back, if you want (and asked him). (He never attacked my pro-mage Hawkes.) Huh, than maybe I didn't have enough friendship with him though...
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Post by phoray on Sept 15, 2016 2:22:53 GMT
No. If you have ~80% friendship or more. He will leave you, but you later will be back, if you want (and asked him). (He never attacked my pro-mage Hawkes.) Huh, than maybe I didn't have enough friendship with him though... If you're 100% it can be pretty extreme what companions will do at the end. There he was, my rival manced Anders. And I told him that not only would I not execute him... but that he would join me to annul the Circle with Meredith. It was kind of absurd, but he did it. It was all rather tragic. The whole PT was just to see things I'd heard about but had never done. Turned into a DA2 ending I loved. Not because "yay, kill all the mages", But because my pro circle mage Hawke regretted the path she'd chosen immediately and the game gave you options to soften the blow and had supporting lines from Carver. It was an epic journey of self loathing that my Mage Hawke and Anders shared. I cherished it then and I cherish it now.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 2:30:21 GMT
Huh, than maybe I didn't have enough friendship with him though... If you're 100% it can be pretty extreme what companions will do at the end. There he was, my rival manced Anders. And I told him that not only would I not execute him... but that he would join me to annul the Circle with Meredith. It was kind of absurd, but he did it. It was all rather tragic. The whole PT was just to see things I'd heard about but had never done. Turned into a DA2 ending I loved. Not because "yay, kill all the mages", But because my pro circle mage Hawke regretted the path she'd chosen immediately and the game gave you options to soften the blow and had supporting lines from Carver. It was an epic journey of self loathing that my Mage Hawke and Anders shared. I cherished it then and I cherish it now. Yes, I'm glad, that Fenris not as tragical on the Mage side, as Anders on the Templar side.
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Post by dragontartare on Sept 15, 2016 2:53:26 GMT
No, if you have friendship, he will side with you no matter what according to the wiki. Yes, at ~80% friendsip he will leave you, but later you can convince him easily, and on 100% he will not question your choice. This is not correct on wiki? It says something like that, yes. I forget the actual percentages.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 3:22:46 GMT
Yes, at ~80% friendsip he will leave you, but later you can convince him easily, and on 100% he will not question your choice. This is not correct on wiki? It says something like that, yes. I forget the actual percentages. This is just an approximation. I dont know the exact value.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2016 7:32:43 GMT
It says something like that, yes. I forget the actual percentages. This is just an approximation. I dont know the exact value. Any amount of friendship and you can get him to side with you, and either less than 50, or 100 rivalry to do the same, but you need to make the right dialogue choice (which is the diplomatic one, I think). 100 + his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs on either path and he'll do it without question.
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Post by Catilina on Sept 15, 2016 13:10:10 GMT
This is just an approximation. I dont know the exact value. Any amount of friendship and you can get him to side with you, and either less than 50, or 100 rivalry to do the same, but you need to make the right dialogue choice (which is the diplomatic one, I think). 100 + his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs on either path and he'll do it without question. I don't think, Hawke can convince him, if s/he did not care about him enough (friendship/rivalry don't matter, yes). It's would be not logical. (But I don't know, never happened.) (Not diplomatic, sarcastic or direct answer here, this is a "neutral" option) UPDATE: I found this, you can see, fenris can resist to Hawke's ask (I still dont know, exactly how much firendship/rivalry rate need for the positive answer, but it's important, I suppose): ("You never understand, what I want")
(I nevers saw before, but...Anders is great – as also the others!)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2016 0:58:41 GMT
Any amount of friendship and you can get him to side with you, and either less than 50, or 100 rivalry to do the same, but you need to make the right dialogue choice (which is the diplomatic one, I think). 100 + his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs on either path and he'll do it without question. I don't think, Hawke can convince him, if s/he did not care about him enough (friendship/rivalry don't matter, yes). It's would be not logical. (But I don't know, never happened.) (Not diplomatic, sarcastic or direct answer here, this is a "neutral" option) UPDATE: I found this, you can see, fenris can resist to Hawke's ask (I still dont know, exactly how much firendship/rivalry rate need for the positive answer, but it's important, I suppose): ("You never understand, what I want")
(I nevers saw before, but...Anders is great – as also the others!) Dialogue choice is the key part. Woops, yeah they're all neutral; if you've got any friendship or less than 50 rivalry, he'll side with you if you pick the 'join me' prompt. You're only locked in to fighting him with no choice if the rivalry is between 50 and 100, or 100 and you don't do his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs (it's the ~80 comment I'm not agreeing with - this isn't correct) It's not completely illogical. Low rivalry/any friendship probably means you've agreed with him or supported him at some point and not clashed too much. High rivalry and you've been clashing over a bit, and since you haven't done all his personal quests, he doesn't have the same amount of reason to trust you.
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Post by phoray on Sept 16, 2016 1:40:17 GMT
Any amount of friendship and you can get him to side with you, and either less than 50, or 100 rivalry to do the same, but you need to make the right dialogue choice (which is the diplomatic one, I think). 100 + his Act 3 Questioning Beliefs on either path and he'll do it without question. I don't think, Hawke can convince him, if s/he did not care about him enough (friendship/rivalry don't matter, yes). It's would be not logical. (But I don't know, never happened.) (Not diplomatic, sarcastic or direct answer here, this is a "neutral" option) UPDATE: I found this, you can see, fenris can resist to Hawke's ask (I still dont know, exactly how much firendship/rivalry rate need for the positive answer, but it's important, I suppose): ("You never understand, what I want")
(I nevers saw before, but...Anders is great – as also the others!) I hadn't seen all of these before- I think Merril's was best, Aveline a close second with her "I owed you a life. And now, you are nothing. Choose your life." Epic walk away.
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Post by melbella on Sept 16, 2016 1:56:09 GMT
My first DA2 game I expected to romance Anders since he was the "known" qty from Awakening. That was the plan, until I met Fenris and heard him speak.  Then all bets were off. I did finally get around to an Anders (and everyone else at least once) romance but Fenris remains my favorite by far.
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Post by Liadan on Sept 21, 2016 11:43:48 GMT
In my first game i choose Anders because i really liked him in Awakening. I`ve played the other DA2 romances and he is still my favorite.
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Post by fylimar on Sept 30, 2016 22:46:22 GMT
Normally I just went into the game with no clue and look, how the companions turn out and pick the one, I like the most. In DA it's Anders (it would have been Varric, but sadly, he was not romanceable). Planning a romance or a playthrough seldom works for me, it's normally better, if I just 'go with the flow'
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Post by Zikade on Oct 24, 2016 14:34:05 GMT
My first Hawke, a sassy male mage, flirted with everyone but ended up with no one. It kind of... just happened. Every time I apparently was supposed to pick the romance dialogue to lock in the romance, I ended up skipping it since the dialogue just sounded so cheesy and wrong coming from my character. Or then there was an option which fit better to the way I was roleplaying him. I do remember Merrill actually confronting him about it in his house but the way she went on about it just made it kind of uncomfortable and he backed off.
My second Hawke, aggressive warrior, ended up with Anders. This Hawke was fiercely protective of Bethany, hated the Chantry and Templars, even more so when Bethany was dragged into the Circle. Anders' passion against the system supported his thoughts perfectly and gave him hope that one day Bethany would be free again. He was with Anders to the end.
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Post by kalasaurus on Oct 31, 2016 9:19:08 GMT
I don't really have a canon/favorite romance for DA2. I picked Anders for the first time (and I was going in blind) because I was roleplaying as a pro-mage mage Hawke, and it just *made sense* in the story. It also made for an interesting ending... If I were forced to choose, though, I prefer Isabela. She's cool and laid back about pretty much everything, so she's been my go-to for awhile.
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Post by phoray on Nov 1, 2016 0:57:08 GMT
Isabelle replied to each flirt with a flirt of her own, but she flirts heavily with Fenris and anyone else who isn't an idiot. Then we get to the big scene, and it's implied strongly that it was just a bit of fun? I mean... I know you can turn it into more than a fling without argument (have only seen full romance online)... but if I sleep with someone and they play it off as meaningless... I don't feel very loved? When I was at the Gallows on my Fenris romance play through, Isabella's "Goodbye" Scene was very touching. This has given me more appreciation for her, and will be a good bouncing off board for when I do her romance. You gotta dig deeper for the gold, but it's there. ^^ I still haven't seen the best of Merril. But what might have been hanging me up is her appearance being very alien child, and so I've added a mod that's matured her. I know, shallow. Elves in DA2 loook off anyway, and then Merril is especially young looking with her face and clothing.
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Post by numphet on Nov 2, 2016 0:57:12 GMT
I always go for Anders, just can't help it. It's always Anders. I fell for him in Awakening and was so frustrated when I couldn't romance him back then, and when I first met him on DA2 (didn't know he will be there in advance) and soon realized he's a possible LI... Yeah. And I always go for friendship route. Rivalmance seems interesting, but I guess I can't make myself do that. As if the romance isn't heartbreaking enough otherwise. I'd really like to try Isabela romance for a female Hawke in my next playthrough, but I know I'd have hard time trying to resist Anders' charms.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Nov 7, 2016 4:20:45 GMT
numphet you should try it! My canon F!Hawke rivalmanced Isabela making her selfless and better person, it was worth it  I love Isabela-like characters, and I love to soften their hearts even more! Now I'm doing rivalmance with Anders with a "pro-mage"-neutral warrior M!Hawke just for fun, it's ironic that my canon gay Warden romanced Alistair and now that I have the posibility to do it without mods my canon Hawke is a female XD I love females as the main character in fiction, but with this game who let you to customize your character it's difficult to create a female character for me who I identify with. I think I will do all secondary and side-quests before starting any romance in Act 2, to try Fenris with friendship. Planning to do the opposite with a pro-mage M!Hawke with a rivalmanced Fenris and friendshipped Anders in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2016 4:35:53 GMT
numphet you should try it! My canon F!Hawke rivalmanced Isabela making her selfless and better person, it was worth it  I love Isabela-like characters, and I love to soften their hearts even more! Now I'm doing rivalmance with Anders with a "pro-mage"-neutral warrior M!Hawke just for fun, it's ironic that my canon gay Warden romanced Alistair and now that I have the posibility to do it without mods my canon Hawke is a female XD I love females as the main character in fiction, but with this game who let you to customize your character it's difficult to create a female character for me who I identify with. I think I will do all secondary and side-quests before starting any romance in Act 2, to try Fenris with friendship. Planning to do the opposite with a pro-mage M!Hawke with a rivalmanced Fenris and friendshipped Anders in the future. Ander's romance Friendshipped is creepy as heck. Seriously, it's so creepy... and he's so clingy, it's not like Alistair, it's not (and i say this sincerely), I must say, rivalmancery is the best course of Action for Ander's. I'd also like to say that Fenris's rivalmance is wonderful, but nothing short of Isabela's rivalry romance (I love it, but I'm well aware of her flaws though  . It's good to romance someone who isn't as messed up in the head as the others in the city.)
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Post by Catilina on Nov 7, 2016 4:45:47 GMT
numphet you should try it! My canon F!Hawke rivalmanced Isabela making her selfless and better person, it was worth it  I love Isabela-like characters, and I love to soften their hearts even more! Now I'm doing rivalmance with Anders with a "pro-mage"-neutral warrior M!Hawke just for fun, it's ironic that my canon gay Warden romanced Alistair and now that I have the posibility to do it without mods my canon Hawke is a female XD I love females as the main character in fiction, but with this game who let you to customize your character it's difficult to create a female character for me who I identify with. I think I will do all secondary and side-quests before starting any romance in Act 2, to try Fenris with friendship. Planning to do the opposite with a pro-mage M!Hawke with a rivalmanced Fenris and friendshipped Anders in the future. Ander's romance Friendshipped is creepy as heck. Seriously, it's so creepy... and he's so clingy, it's not like Alistair, it's not (and i say this sincerely), I must say, rivalmancery is the best course of Action for Ander's. I'd also like to say that Fenris's rivalmance is wonderful, but nothing short of Isabela's rivalry romance (I love it, but I'm well aware of her flaws though  . It's good to romance someone who isn't as messed up in the head as the others in the city.) I think, the rivalmance is creepy with Anders. This will slowly kill him. This fact is creepy enough, as I see. I like Anders friendmance, I like, that he want to move in Hawke's home. But if you like kill him, the rivalmance is perfect for you. Yes, Fenris rivalry is very good, and more reliable with (pro-)mage, but the friendship also, good.
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Post by Tekehu's booty on Nov 7, 2016 4:46:24 GMT
numphet you should try it! My canon F!Hawke rivalmanced Isabela making her selfless and better person, it was worth it  I love Isabela-like characters, and I love to soften their hearts even more! Now I'm doing rivalmance with Anders with a "pro-mage"-neutral warrior M!Hawke just for fun, it's ironic that my canon gay Warden romanced Alistair and now that I have the posibility to do it without mods my canon Hawke is a female XD I love females as the main character in fiction, but with this game who let you to customize your character it's difficult to create a female character for me who I identify with. I think I will do all secondary and side-quests before starting any romance in Act 2, to try Fenris with friendship. Planning to do the opposite with a pro-mage M!Hawke with a rivalmanced Fenris and friendshipped Anders in the future. Ander's romance Friendshipped is creepy as heck. Seriously, it's so creepy... and he's so clingy, it's not like Alistair, it's not (and i say this sincerely), I must say, rivalmancery is the best course of Action for Ander's. I'd also like to say that Fenris's rivalmance is wonderful, but nothing short of Isabela's rivalry romance (I love it, but I'm well aware of her flaws though  . It's good to romance someone who isn't as messed up in the head as the others in the city.) I can perfectly imagine it, I think the friendship path always encourages the character's flaws in a really bad way, and with corrupted Justice in the middle of both, the whole pie must be hard to swallow. But I'm really curious about it Yeah, Isabela is like Varric, she gives a damn about drama  I wished Bianca doesn't exist to romance Varric, that dwarf is gold, wasted opportunity in Inquisition.
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