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Post by Sartoz on Sept 13, 2016 13:26:44 GMT
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The Citadel is the Key. Destroy the Citadel and Starbrat is out of the picture. Without Starbrat, the Reapers will remain dormant and the Cycle broken.
Scenarios A thousand years or so from now, Human descendants in Andromeda take an expedition back to the Milky Way to look for the Citadel and destroy it. On the assumption that the Destroy option was taken, it should work.
If Synthesis was taken as an option, the Reapers are the "gentle" beings but I'm not sure what will happen.
If Control was taken as an Option, the situation can become tricky. We don't know what Super Shep will do.
Basically, the first option is a slam dunk with no repercussions. The latter two can become problematic.
Thoughts?
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Sept 13, 2016 14:56:41 GMT
No reapers, No party
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Post by MasterJukes on Sept 13, 2016 15:23:13 GMT
I believe Garrus is the only one who knows how to defeat the Reapers:
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Post by Fogg on Sept 13, 2016 15:27:12 GMT
We can't revisit the Milky Way without choices being made canon. The main plot of course is a big reason, but also the genophage and Geth/Quarian conflict, or Rachni. Anything set after ME3 in the Milky Way would be too difficult to create without canon choices.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 13, 2016 16:18:22 GMT
I could see an expedition that goes back to the Milky Way for whatever reason.
Why would they destroy the Citadel if they know nothing about the reapers especially if the ships leave before the events of ME3?
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Post by Hunter on Sept 13, 2016 16:34:25 GMT
I like the Idea of journeying back to the Milky Way but only as an epilog to a possible third Andromeda game. It would be a cool way to set up another trilogy after an Andromeda trilogy.
The problem is what ending would be canon? Given the wildly different outcomes all three of ME3's endings would have over a long period of time, not to mention the refusal ending, they would have to select one and go with it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 16:54:37 GMT
Let's see ... 600 years after ME3 ... give or take a year ... some folks arrive in Andromeda. The travelers and their descendants tool around Andromeda for a millennia or so. Someone decides ... hey, let's take another 600 year journey back to the Milky Way. So ... 2200 years or so after ME3, these folks arrive ... to what? Not anything that looks like ME3, regardless of canon. Which, maybe would be the point.
Refuse ... if the Reapers won, then the explorers would return to a MW galaxy that was very early in the 50K year cycle and they would most likely be the most advanced civilization in the MW ... assuming that the MW Asari, Humans, Krogan, Turian, Quarian, Batarian, Drell, Hanar, Elcor, Volus, Rachni and even the Vorcha are no more. That leaves what? The Yahg? So, do they find some of Liara's "beacons" to discover what happened ... and then, do they beat feet back to Andromeda or prepare for the Reapers in about 48K years? Would they know to destroy the Citadel or would they just modify it, so the Reapers couldn't use it and it would no longer start the cycle?
Destroy ... well, with 1200 years of development lost in the trips back and forth, the Andromeda folks would be the "primitives" in this story. Rebuilding in the MW would be required, yes ... but that would be done long before the ark ships arrived in Andromeda ... plus, Reaper tech to help advance things. So with 1200 years lost to cryo-sleep, the Andromeda folks would be fairly far behind ... even with advances made from Andromeda species tech.
Synthesis ... hmmm ... wonder if the folks from Andromeda ... not being of the "synthesis" would be perceived as friend or foe ... maybe the synthesized folks in the MW would be like the Grey Wardens in DA:I ... once heroes, now corrupted foes. Except, instead of the few, they are the many. And perspective ... the Andromeda folks would be ... from the MW folks' perspective ... the bad guys.
Control ... instead of Harbinger, we now have Shepard. How does that play out? Does "Shepard" eventually harvest the organics? Become a benign god who rules over both synthetics and organics? How well would "Shepard" tolerate those who had not been enveloped into "the one true way?"
Regardless of canon, some interesting possibilities ... a lot of them seem to lean toward the old good guys becoming the new bad guys. Such as a protagonist from the MW having to deal with the Andromeda invaders. Maybe the protagonist choice isn't just male or female, but also MW or Andromeda origins.
If ME:A is a trilogy and it takes nearly a decade to grind through the three releases ... before starting the next ME trilogy ... will anyone care at that point, what the ME3 canon is?
Well, yes ... some will care. Some also travel to Graceland every year to worship Elvis ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 17:34:37 GMT
Yes, it's EZ PZ Consolation prize: it even gets rid of all those other shifty Reaper loving toasters, which is awesome, because hunting them all down would probably have been a pain in the ass. Biower won't make that the real ending tho because "muh choicez mattur" or whatever, even if you're a monster and made everyone into a fucking green glowing Borg or got butthurt at a glowbrat and accidentally'd the whole cycle (you Reaper space Stalin's are okay, tho). Thanks a lot you toaster hugging bastards. You're the reason my glorious Milky Way is gone and I'll never see the Homeworld again. I hope you all die of AIDS. Andromeda Robot AIDS.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 13, 2016 21:22:03 GMT
Why would they destroy the Citadel if they know nothing about the reapers especially if the ships leave before the events of ME3? You're asking this from a guy who considers plot holes to be perfectly legitimate solutions to narrative problems.
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Post by Petroshenko on Sept 13, 2016 23:13:17 GMT
If there is communication with the Milky Way (as there should be, would be one of the most nonsensical things to do not to pack the Arks with plenty of QEC particles) then the Andromeda explorers would already know Reapers got destroyed/controlled/synthesized. If there's no communication, they won't know so why take the journey at all unless just feeling like going back?
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 13, 2016 23:23:00 GMT
Hahaha, "Reapers".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 23:27:56 GMT
Seeking an excuse to return the Mass Effect franchise to the Milky Way after it has left the Milky Way and is established in Andromeda serves no purpose. It still won't pacify anyone who is disliking leaving the Milky Way since that event is occurring regardless. Furthermore, it runs the risk of raising the ire of newcomers to the franchise who might become as attached to the Andromeda setting as much as the old-time players liked the Milky Way setting. All is does is reopen the can of worms regarding the endings... debating which one should be canon or whether or not there is some way to reconcile all of them... and, depending on how ending choices affect the Andromeda galaxy would probably just lead to people complaining that Bioware would be leaving the Andromeda galaxy just so it could ignore whatever individual choices players make in that game or series.
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Post by jamiecotc on Sept 14, 2016 1:15:59 GMT
it would not surprise me at all if the Reapers are never mentioned in ME:A.
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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 14, 2016 6:45:37 GMT
Exactly why destroy, or refuse, make the most sense to me.
This sets us up,(from Andromeda), to return to the MW, and either reunite with our species (destroy), or help the new cycle (refuse) use Liara's Beacons and defeat the Reapers.
Either way, our species are back in the MW, with the damm Reapers defeated.
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Post by lolslikemuttley on Sept 14, 2016 9:57:48 GMT
Maybe the Reapers already enacted a final solution in Andromeda before moving on to the Milky Way and the remnants are what remain... Okay, that's unlikely but I'd be happy if we never had to hear about reapers again. Depending upon exactly when they leave the Milky Way then maybe the N7 character has some knowledge of the reaper threat they are leaving behind. It was dismissed and played down by the Council so the majority of the galaxy would be in blissful ignorance before ME3.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 11:27:39 GMT
maybe the reapers are a small part of a much bigger problem?
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Post by nanotm on Sept 14, 2016 11:45:13 GMT
maybe the reapers are a small part of a much bigger problem? when those are the last of their kind ? having already been hunted to virtual extinction by their toys the reapers In the first place ? but if you had watched the cutscenes both with them and the starchild on the citadel then it was apparent that they already roamed the entire universe enacting their cycles on every galaxy, which would I feel explain the remnants and would also mean that your choice was either destroy or synthesis, but because only areas inside the effects of the mass effect gates were affected then its possibvel those in deepspace transit would of avoided being turned into something different had you picked synthesis..... thus mooting any problem of creating a cannon ending... also since Andromeda is moving closer to the milkyway the outbound journey having taken 300 years the return trip would take less time, and a lot less time if they manage ot upgrade their ships whilst in Andromeda through access to new tech
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 14, 2016 11:52:55 GMT
Destroy's always made the most logical sense to me in picking a canon ending on the fact alone that it's the only ending in which Shepard lives. I mean you couldn't continue your save in Mass Effect 3 if Shepard dies in 2.
Maybe when the dust settles we may finally get to return to sweet home milky way.
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Post by legbamel on Sept 14, 2016 11:55:43 GMT
I would be very happy not to hear anything about the Reapers again. That story belongs in the Milky Way and I've played it. Love ME, love Shep, but I'm ready to move on with the Arks.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 14, 2016 11:56:00 GMT
If there is communication with the Milky Way (as there should be, would be one of the most nonsensical things to do not to pack the Arks with plenty of QEC particles) then the Andromeda explorers would already know Reapers got destroyed/controlled/synthesized. If there's no communication, they won't know so why take the journey at all unless just feeling like going back? <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>> The question is "can the Reapers be Removed From the Equation". We know that StarBrat controls them.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 14, 2016 12:24:21 GMT
I would be very happy not to hear anything about the Reapers again. That story belongs in the Milky Way and I've played it. Love ME, love Shep, but I'm ready to move on with the Arks. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> I agree. It is a new story with new characters that has nothing to do with Shep's Milky Way galaxy. As a new story, Bio can tell a different story without the unknowingly but self imposed limits of the original trilogy. I wish he studio limits the MW races in the squad to two and the rest as NPCs. Bio can then introduce us to a host of new Helios Cluster aliens. However, the purpose of the question is to see if the Reaper Cycle can be broken. The humans fled to Andromeda because the Reaper War was coming. Humanity survived in Andromeda with advanced tech. Going back, before the end of another 50K cycle makes sense if nothing else but for security purposes. By the time humans do decide to take a peek, their tech could have seriously advanced in 10, 20, 30k years. Especially, so, with the booster tech gotten from the Remnants. So, what possible scenarios can there be were the Reapers are neutralized in one way or another?
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Post by Petroshenko on Sept 14, 2016 12:25:25 GMT
The question is "can the Reapers be Removed From the Equation". We know that StarBrat controls them. I'm really puzzles what you're asking about in this thread. StarBrat controls them, what does it have to do with Andromeda colonists?
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 14, 2016 12:50:16 GMT
The question is "can the Reapers be Removed From the Equation". We know that StarBrat controls them. I'm really puzzles what you're asking about in this thread. StarBrat controls them, what does it have to do with Andromeda colonists? <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 12:56:35 GMT
maybe the reapers are a small part of a much bigger problem? when those are the last of their kind ? having already been hunted to virtual extinction by their toys the reapers In the first place ? but if you had watched the cutscenes both with them and the starchild on the citadel then it was apparent that they already roamed the entire universe enacting their cycles on every galaxy, which would I feel explain the remnants and would also mean that your choice was either destroy or synthesis, but because only areas inside the effects of the mass effect gates were affected then its possibvel those in deepspace transit would of avoided being turned into something different had you picked synthesis..... thus mooting any problem of creating a cannon ending... also since Andromeda is moving closer to the milkyway the outbound journey having taken 300 years the return trip would take less time, and a lot less time if they manage ot upgrade their ships whilst in Andromeda through access to new tech Leviathan has three heads..... now what could possibly have 3 heads - that might have relevance to the mass effect trilogy? A question. What if the reapers were placed just outside the Milky Way as a part of a bargain struck to protect the Milky Way from something far more terrible than the reapers? To stop or prevent species evolving enough to leave the milky way? What if that in the panic of leaving the milky way, the pathfinders have broken some kind of agreement with whatever it is that is far worse than the reapers and they aint happy?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 15:20:03 GMT
I just can't get over the idiocy of walking into the explosions. Meh, after listening to glowbrat drone on forever about a bunch of complete nonsense, I'd probably lose the will to live as well.
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