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Post by Croatsky on Jun 15, 2017 18:10:09 GMT
True, but is it actually early to announce Anthem? Fall 2018, right? Or are we hypothesizing that date's a lie? It should have been published in the fiscal year of 2017 and they pushed it back quite recently. Actually after the release and the very mixed reception of Andromeda. I think the more legitimate speculation is that Anthem was pushed back because of Andromeda and the great reveal was always planned to happen at E3. Also a reminder, Anthem got delayed recently from Spring of 2018 to Fall of 2018. Thing is EA and Bioware most likely already scheduled to reveal Anthem at E3, so there's that.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 15, 2017 20:27:20 GMT
Iakus I kinda found a flaw in your argument. ME:A was announced on 15th June of 2015, 21 months before game was released. 15 months, if you'll consider first public release date of Holiday 2016. So this is not first time Bioware announced a game so far away from release day.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 16, 2017 0:08:17 GMT
ME1 was about two years from the formal announcement to release. DA:O had about the same schedule that Anthem's planned to, but that includes a delay of the release.
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Post by Hellkite on Jun 17, 2017 6:08:21 GMT
As soon as I read Drew Karpyshyn was working on anthem I though to myself, if there's a caster type Exo suit I'm totally getting that game.
That said I couldn't help but see the gameplay of Anthem and think, damn, andromeda could have looked like that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 17, 2017 7:03:42 GMT
So the reason they're announcing Anthem now is to distract us from ME:A? That's silly. Not as silly as you'd think. They announced DAI early to distract from the Doctors leaving Bioware. Between that and the ME3 debacle, Bioware felt they had to show they were still functional. Sounds silly to me. These are the marketing windows for BioWare's games since Mass Effect: - ME1 - Oct 2005 to Nov 2007 ~ 2 years 1 month
- ME2 - March 2009 to Jan 2010 ~ 10 months
- ME3 - Dec 2010 to March 2012 ~ 1 year 3 months
- MEA - June 2015 to March 2017 ~ 1 year 9 months
- DA:O - July 2008 to Nov 2009 ~ 1 year 4 months
- DA II - July 2010 to March 2011 ~ 8 months
- DAI - Sept 2012 to Oct 2014 ~ 2 years 1 month
- Anthem - June 2017 to Fall 2018 ~ 1 year 4 months?
Whilst Dragon Age Inquisition had the longest post-announcement development cycle (over 2 years) it also experienced two official delays. The shortest marketing spans were the two follow-ups on same engine Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II.
The average span from announcement to launch is 1 year 5 months, which appears to match Anthem pretty much exactly.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 17, 2017 7:41:08 GMT
Well, if Drew is on Anthem, no one should be worried about quality of writing; but still it doesn't change anything for me, cause if BW will not support ME i will never again invest a penny in their products, as i said before.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 17, 2017 9:03:29 GMT
Well, if Drew is on Anthem, no one should be worried about quality of writing; but still it doesn't change anything for me, cause if BW will not support ME i will never again invest a penny in their products, as i said before.
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Post by abaris on Jun 17, 2017 9:14:32 GMT
Well, if Drew is on Anthem, no one should be worried about quality of writing; but still it doesn't change anything for me, cause if BW will not support ME i will never again invest a penny in their products, as i said before. There's a less melocramatic way to put it from where I am standing. If they're not producing games that interest me, I will never invest another penny in their products. That's a given, since I don't buy games that don't interest me. Anthem doesn't interest me, but there have been previous Bioware games that fell into the same category.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 17, 2017 9:36:08 GMT
Well, if Drew is on Anthem, no one should be worried about quality of writing; but still it doesn't change anything for me, cause if BW will not support ME i will never again invest a penny in their products, as i said before. There's a less melocramatic way to put it from where I am standing. If they're not producing games that interest me, I will never invest another penny in their products. That's a given, since I don't buy games that don't interest me. Anthem doesn't interest me, but there have been previous Bioware games that fell into the same category. You don't understand. Even if i will be interested in any incoming BW game ever - made by Drew or George Lucas - i will not buy it, but it doesn't mean i will not play it. The only difference is that my wallet will not support BW anymore. Dark side awaits. I just don't like the way how they are treating ME community and me as a person, who bought every single game which i got in my signature and support them for many years. It can change if finally some statement about ME/MEA future will be released. Their current strategy doesn't work for me - not answering any questions about ME, discussing Anthem, changing topics, hoping with time people will stop asking and will forgot - NO NO NO - i am a very patient man. If it sounds melodramatic - well, i don't care, this is just my point of view.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 17, 2017 9:44:54 GMT
There's a less melocramatic way to put it from where I am standing. If they're not producing games that interest me, I will never invest another penny in their products. That's a given, since I don't buy games that don't interest me. Anthem doesn't interest me, but there have been previous Bioware games that fell into the same category. You don't understand. Even if i will be interested in any incoming BW game ever, i will not buy it, but it doesn't mean i will not play it. The only difference is that my wallet will not support BW anymore. Dark side awaits. I just don't like the way how they are treating ME community and me as a person, who bought every single game which i got in my signature and support them for many years. It can change if finally some statement about ME/MEA future will be released. So you're a thief and petty.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 17, 2017 9:45:58 GMT
You don't understand. Even if i will be interested in any incoming BW game ever, i will not buy it, but it doesn't mean i will not play it. The only difference is that my wallet will not support BW anymore. Dark side awaits. I just don't like the way how they are treating ME community and me as a person, who bought every single game which i got in my signature and support them for many years. It can change if finally some statement about ME/MEA future will be released. So you're a thief and petty. Great, what have i steal ?
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Post by bizantura on Jun 17, 2017 9:52:19 GMT
There's a less melocramatic way to put it from where I am standing. If they're not producing games that interest me, I will never invest another penny in their products. That's a given, since I don't buy games that don't interest me. Anthem doesn't interest me, but there have been previous Bioware games that fell into the same category. You don't understand. Even if i will be interested in any incoming BW game ever - made by Drew or George Lucas - i will not buy it, but it doesn't mean i will not play it. The only difference is that my wallet will not support BW anymore. Dark side awaits. I just don't like the way how they are treating ME community and me as a person, who bought every single game which i got in my signature and support them for many years. It can change if finally some statement about ME/MEA future will be released. Their current strategy doesn't work for me - not answering any questions about ME, discussing Anthem, changing topics, hoping with time people will stop asking and will forgot - NO NO NO - i am a very patient man. If it sounds melodramatic - well, i don't care, this is just my point of view. That angry are you? There is always the bargain bin route. It is quite a few years later but those big budget things can be had for a fiver DRM free to boot.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 17, 2017 10:01:47 GMT
You don't understand. Even if i will be interested in any incoming BW game ever - made by Drew or George Lucas - i will not buy it, but it doesn't mean i will not play it. The only difference is that my wallet will not support BW anymore. Dark side awaits. I just don't like the way how they are treating ME community and me as a person, who bought every single game which i got in my signature and support them for many years. It can change if finally some statement about ME/MEA future will be released. Their current strategy doesn't work for me - not answering any questions about ME, discussing Anthem, changing topics, hoping with time people will stop asking and will forgot - NO NO NO - i am a very patient man. If it sounds melodramatic - well, i don't care, this is just my point of view. That angry are you? There is always the bargain bin route. It is quite a few years later but those big budget things can be had for a fiver DRM free to boot. That's not my point. I don't have any problem with buying games, at the moment 100% games i own are legal. The reason is BioWare failed me. Broken promises is one thing, feeling like a MEA beta-tester until 1.05 is another thing, but not communicating with the people who supports them with their wallets ?? That's a joke. If they are not showing respect to me as a player, fan and a customer, i will not show any respect to them. Ever. The only way you can hurt them and let them re-think their current policy, is not giving them your money. Simple as that.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 17, 2017 15:12:43 GMT
So you're a thief and petty. Great, what have i steal ? You just said your wallet won't support BW but you will still play the games. That means you will pirate them i.e. steal.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 17, 2017 15:18:50 GMT
Not as silly as you'd think. They announced DAI early to distract from the Doctors leaving Bioware. Between that and the ME3 debacle, Bioware felt they had to show they were still functional. Sounds silly to me. These are the marketing windows for BioWare's games since Mass Effect: - ME1 - Oct 2005 to Nov 2007 ~ 2 years 1 month
- ME2 - March 2009 to Jan 2010 ~ 10 months
- ME3 - Dec 2010 to March 2012 ~ 1 year 3 months
- MEA - June 2015 to March 2017 ~ 1 year 9 months
- DA:O - July 2008 to Nov 2009 ~ 1 year 4 months
- DA II - July 2010 to March 2011 ~ 8 months
- DAI - Sept 2012 to Oct 2014 ~ 2 years 1 month
- Anthem - June 2017 to Fall 2018 ~ 1 year 4 months?
Whilst Dragon Age Inquisition had the longest post-announcement development cycle (over 2 years) it also experienced two official delays. The shortest marketing spans were the two follow-ups on same engine Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II.
The average span from announcement to launch is 1 year 5 months, which appears to match Anthem pretty much exactly.
Once again, I am simply stating that it has happened before.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 17, 2017 16:40:25 GMT
Sounds silly to me. These are the marketing windows for BioWare's games since Mass Effect: - ME1 - Oct 2005 to Nov 2007 ~ 2 years 1 month
- ME2 - March 2009 to Jan 2010 ~ 10 months
- ME3 - Dec 2010 to March 2012 ~ 1 year 3 months
- MEA - June 2015 to March 2017 ~ 1 year 9 months
- DA:O - July 2008 to Nov 2009 ~ 1 year 4 months
- DA II - July 2010 to March 2011 ~ 8 months
- DAI - Sept 2012 to Oct 2014 ~ 2 years 1 month
- Anthem - June 2017 to Fall 2018 ~ 1 year 4 months?
Whilst Dragon Age Inquisition had the longest post-announcement development cycle (over 2 years) it also experienced two official delays. The shortest marketing spans were the two follow-ups on same engine Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age II.
The average span from announcement to launch is 1 year 5 months, which appears to match Anthem pretty much exactly.
Once again, I am simply stating that it has happened before. Perhaps, though one instance, if that was the case, isn't a pattern.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Jun 17, 2017 17:05:06 GMT
Drew K working on Anthem (and not on Andromeda, where he was sorely needed) is just another kick in the balls. I swear, I'm getting pretty sore now BW
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 17, 2017 17:45:02 GMT
Great, what have i steal ? You just said your wallet won't support BW but you will still play the games. That means you will pirate them i.e. steal. No, i said i will do it IF. Sooner or later they will have to finish this childish game "King Of Silence".
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Post by Terminator Force on Jun 17, 2017 17:59:17 GMT
Looking at the Anthem gameplay reveal again, it's hard to tell where the in-game VA's end and the fake squad chat begins. I don't feel so much a sense of abandonment as annoyance that this world Anthem sets up is squandered on interaction with live people, the worst kind of people there is.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 17, 2017 18:32:25 GMT
You just said your wallet won't support BW but you will still play the games. That means you will pirate them i.e. steal. No, i said i will do it IF. Sooner or later they will have to finish this childish game "King Of Silence". I don't see the issue here. Knowing what's going to be patched and when doesn't actually get you the patch a millisecond earlier.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 17, 2017 23:00:46 GMT
Well, if Drew is on Anthem, no one should be worried about quality of writing; but still it doesn't change anything for me, cause if BW will not support ME i will never again invest a penny in their products, as i said before. There's a less melocramatic way to put it from where I am standing. If they're not producing games that interest me, I will never invest another penny in their products. That's a given, since I don't buy games that don't interest me. Anthem doesn't interest me, but there have been previous Bioware games that fell into the same category. Indeed Anthem doesn't interest me but DA4 does so I'm going to be inclined to want to get that when it's out.
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Post by projectpatdc on Jun 17, 2017 23:30:35 GMT
Audiences may overlap in some cases, but I think, Anthem largely appeals to a different crowd than the usual Mass Effect or Dragon Age player. Pretty much. I been in the Anthem forum section and a lot (like a lot a lot) are hoping for to much. They're wanting romances, dialogue choices(which may happen but on a much much smaller scale), pretty much things you'd see in a typical bioware game. If they're hoping for that in Anthem they're going to most likely be disappointed cause I honestly do not see Anthem being your typical bioware game. It's something new to bioware and it's meant to try and win over a market that destiny and the division has failed to do so far. That market won't be captured with your typical bioware stuff as those people have no interest in romances or conversations with npcs on a more complex level. i wouldn't expect a detailed creator for the character, especially when you'll be in a mech majority of the time. I wouldn't count on in depth dialogue or decision making, especially if it's going to be so multiplayer focused like it's being hyped up to be as that causes complications for groups. I really wouldn't expect this to be so RPG focused as well (not that I think Biowares newer titles are strong in RPG anyways). This game may attract some more open minded bio fans who are open to playing various genres, but to the core I don't see it appealing to the majority of current fans. Yeah leave the romances and dialogue options out of it completely. That doesn't fit with an online game. Let the RPG elements come from the gear/mech suit customization and choice in play style. Also people shouldn't get their hopes up about the story. It's going to be closer to destiny and the division which hopefully that means there will be great lore and world building with awesome gear and combat. The complaints about mass effect like facial animations, writing, and mmo style side quests aren't even applicable to this type of game
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 1:06:22 GMT
Who cares what Mass Effect fans think. This is a new IP.
Oh who am I kidding. The usual "fans" will probably poison it with their toxicity like they did with the last few BioWare games. It's what happens when you make a game that has features that appeal too much to human emotions.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 18, 2017 1:26:40 GMT
Who cares what Mass Effect fans think. This is a new IP. Oh who am I kidding. They'll probably poison it with their toxicity like they did with the last few BioWare games. It's what happens when you make a game that has features that appeal too much to human emotions. ...that’s hyperbole.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 18, 2017 1:30:33 GMT
Who cares what Mass Effect fans think. This is a new IP. Oh who am I kidding. They'll probably poison it with their toxicity like they did with the last few BioWare games. It's what happens when you make a game that has features that appeal too much to human emotions. ...that’s hyperbole. It's a paradox.
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