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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 16, 2017 20:03:00 GMT
It's as much rpg as Me1,2,3 were. Also its more roleplaying than any of bethesda's rpgs. That is not true at all. You like the game and the toilet humor? Fine. Don't try to b.s people saying it's as good as any prior Bioware game. It most certainly isn't. It has echoes of the previous games but that's all. Eh. I wouldn't say its actually *better* than ME1/2/3 but it certainly very much is an RPG as they are (more so in the case of 2), and the comparison to Bethesda's RPGs is sound.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 20:05:21 GMT
It's as much rpg as Me1,2,3 were. Also its more roleplaying than any of bethesda's rpgs. That is not true at all. You like the game and the toilet humor? Fine. Don't try to b.s people saying it's as good as any prior Bioware game. It most certainly isn't. It has echoes of the previous games but that's all. you know i think i am going to start calling the people who react to positive opinions in an overly negative 'how dare you.like this game can't you see it sucks!' as the opinion police.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 20:12:48 GMT
That is not true at all. You like the game and the toilet humor? Fine. Don't try to b.s people saying it's as good as any prior Bioware game. It most certainly isn't. It has echoes of the previous games but that's all. you know i think i am going to start calling the people who react to positive opinions in an overly negative 'how dare you.like this game can't you see it sucks!' as the opinion police. I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Those types of posts are impossible to resist as bait, if only to further experience the depth of scope of how amazing that bait truly is.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 20:18:42 GMT
you know i think i am going to start calling the people who react to positive opinions in an overly negative 'how dare you.like this game can't you see it sucks!' as the opinion police. I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Those types of posts are impossible to resist as bait, if only to further experience the depth of scope of how amazing that bait truly is. that's hyperbole. I don't think of it as gods gift to gaming. I've been quite critical of it. I just don't A. Trash the people who disagree and B... As i have been.on record as saying...the bits that bother me are some of the things i care least about when judging a game. Hence in spite of its flaws i like the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 20:19:26 GMT
Different strokes I guess. I laughed at the animation gifs but they didn't affect my opinion. I've seen worse. Try live action scenes with bad acting. So glad that went away. As I said my problems with this game can't be patched. You didn't hear any cringe worthy dialogue; different strokes I guess. Too much stupid humor; poorly timed. Ryder comes across like a Don Knotts character who blunders through the story; you never take him seriously because most of what happens to him feels like blind luck. His own team, happy to eat his food and ride around on his ship treats him like a stupid kid they're mooching from. It doesn't feel like you are somewhere new and unexplored; it feels like you're on a stupid day trip. For me, tone, characters, and writing all just not meshing and it's a poor experience. I have 130 odd hours in; I tried to get back into it but after chasing the stupid plague woman and then foiling the kill the AI bomb plot, I stopped again. I'm supposed to be exploring; not being the mobile police force for this space station full of deadbeats and dipshits. So, I decided to play my free copy of Witcher III game of the year edition. Almost certainly, in places, I heard the same dialogue you did... I just didn't find it as cringe-worthy as you. Just how "cringe-worthy" something is is a matter of opinion. There is also a high probability that, in many places, you and I selected different dialogue options that resulted in different auto-dialogue sequences kicking in... because the game dialogue is designed to adapt to different PC personality traits... which are based on both the different percentages of the various dialogue styles selected AS WELL AS the selection or non-selection of some very specific lines in the game. In other words, if you and I happened to select a different dialogue option in one of those key places or happened to have a very different profile, we would get entirely different auto-dialogue in other places throughout the game. Also, Don Knotts had a very successful career... nothing wrong with some people liking that sort of style of comedy.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 16, 2017 20:20:59 GMT
I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Well it can't be literal, as the only god's gift to gaming is Doom 2016, and they didn't say that. You must be purged for even suggesting this.
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Post by abaris on Jun 16, 2017 20:26:22 GMT
Also, Don Knotts had a very successful career... nothing wrong with some people liking that sort of style of comedy. But that's the thing. Humor is among the most individual things there are. What some people find funny makes others cringe. You can chase me from here to the moon by threatening me with an Adam Sandler movie. But he wouldn't be a star if everyone thought the same. The problem is, the humor often seems misplaced in this game. Which wouldn't be big deal if you could escape it by choosing dialogue options. But in cutscenes, such as the return from EOS one, the only option is the skip button if you don't find the exchange funny.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 16, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
you know i think i am going to start calling the people who react to positive opinions in an overly negative 'how dare you.like this game can't you see it sucks!' as the opinion police. I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Those types of posts are impossible to resist as bait, if only to further experience the depth of scope of how amazing that bait truly is. That is not true at all.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 20:36:08 GMT
Speaking of it not being gods gift to gaming its not even my favorite mass effect game.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jun 16, 2017 20:37:33 GMT
I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Well it can't be literal, as the only god's gift to gaming is Doom 2016, and they didn't say that. You must be purged for even suggesting this. Rather ironic that god's gift is a game where you go to hell.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 20:40:02 GMT
I think part of the problem is that there’s posters like you and Kabraxal and others, who literally think Andromeda is god’s gift to the gaming world - and accordingly, you post comments that seem absolutely ludicrous - to the point where i wouldn’t be able to tell if they were sarcasm or not without reading your post history. Those types of posts are impossible to resist as bait, if only to further experience the depth of scope of how amazing that bait truly is. That is not true at all. Yet that’s how you come across when you say outlandish things that everybody outside of a dozen people on this forum would shake their head at. I’ll point it out the next time this happens.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 16, 2017 20:42:41 GMT
Yet that’s how you come across when you say outlandish things that everybody outside of a dozen people on this forum would shake their head at. I’ll point it out the next time this happens. So liking the game and defending it is outlandish?
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Post by abaris on Jun 16, 2017 20:42:48 GMT
Speaking of it not being gods gift to gaming its not even my favorite mass effect game. Which basically is my main problem with the game. I never called it a bad game, cause it isn't, but it's easily my least favorite Bioware game. And my Bioware experience dates back to Baldur's gate. I skipped a few titles that didn't interest me in the first place, but right now I'm replaying DAII, which previously held the title of least favorite Bioware game for me. I'm astonished how even this game appeals more to me than the prospect of doing another run in Andromeda. Might also be that I expected more after five years of development. I shouldn't have, since I watched my favorite reviewers before buying, but I never expected the lead and companions to be that bland as compared to my previous experiences.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 20:44:49 GMT
Also, Don Knotts had a very successful career... nothing wrong with some people liking that sort of style of comedy. But that's the thing. Humor is among the most individual things there are. What some people find funny makes others cringe. You can chase me from here to the moon by threatening me with an Adam Sandler movie. But he wouldn't be a star if everyone thought the same. The problem is, the humor often seems misplaced in this game. Which wouldn't be big deal if you could escape it by choosing dialogue options. But in cutscenes, such as the return from EOS one, the only option is the skip button if you don't find the exchange funny. Still, that doesn't mean that the "writing is objectively bad" - it just means that the game doesn't suit every taste. It's an RPG and, in this world, that means that there are still limits. No one has yet written an RPG that appeals to absolutely every taste. Sure, I would love it if they could have provided a wider range of different PC personalities in the game and made the game such that it only gave dialogue options relevant to those choices I was making... eg. cutting our humor entirely IF I wanted to play a humorless sort of Ryder... but the tech isn't there yet to make a game that flexible, that large, and that perfect in its design... and please don't suggest that CDPR did it with TW3... because that game does not allow the player to tinker with the PC's personality... and if a player doesn't like the tone of TW3 or the personality of Geralt, they certainly cannot get even remotely as far toward changing it as one can get in "adjusting" Ryder in ME:A.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 16, 2017 20:47:17 GMT
Also, Don Knotts had a very successful career... nothing wrong with some people liking that sort of style of comedy. But that's the thing. Humor is among the most individual things there are. What some people find funny makes others cringe. You can chase me from here to the moon by threatening me with an Adam Sandler movie. But he wouldn't be a star if everyone thought the same. The problem is, the humor often seems misplaced in this game. Which wouldn't be big deal if you could escape it by choosing dialogue options. But in cutscenes, such as the return from EOS one, the only option is the skip button if you don't find the exchange funny. then just pick the options on the right then. Complaints like this is like saying sassy hawk is the one.thing that ruin da2.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 16, 2017 20:49:43 GMT
Rather ironic that god's gift is a game where you go to hell. Cease your blasphemy.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 20:50:09 GMT
Speaking of it not being gods gift to gaming its not even my favorite mass effect game. Which basically is my main problem with the game. I never called it a bad game, cause it isn't, but it's easily my least favorite Bioware game. And my Bioware experience dates back to Baldur's gate. I skipped a few titles that didn't interest me in the first place, but right now I'm replaying DAII, which previously held the title of least favorite Bioware game for me. I'm astonished how even this game appeals more to me than the prospect of doing another run in Andromeda. Might also be that I expected more after five years of development. I shouldn't have, since I watched my favorite reviewers before buying, but I never expected the lead and companions to be that bland as compared to my previous experiences. its my third favorite of 7. It is worse then some but faaaaaarrr better then the worse bioware experience. (DAO) Its funny a lot of people who like MEA also liked DA 2. And i really liked DA 2 and view MEA as a refined and polished DA 2.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 20:52:43 GMT
But that's the thing. Humor is among the most individual things there are. What some people find funny makes others cringe. You can chase me from here to the moon by threatening me with an Adam Sandler movie. But he wouldn't be a star if everyone thought the same. The problem is, the humor often seems misplaced in this game. Which wouldn't be big deal if you could escape it by choosing dialogue options. But in cutscenes, such as the return from EOS one, the only option is the skip button if you don't find the exchange funny. then just pick the options on the right then. Complaints like this is like saying sassy hawk is the one.thing that ruin da2. It doesn’t matter what option you pick - you almost always get a sassy delivery. That’s why the writing is so devisive - i guess if you like bathroom humour and snarky dialogue, then yeah, the writing is top-notch. A lot of people don’t. Poor design decision to go all or nothing in this regard I guess.
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Post by abaris on Jun 16, 2017 20:53:37 GMT
its my third favorite of 7. It is worse then some but faaaaaarrr better then the worse bioware experience. (DAO) Its funny a lot of people who like MEA also liked DA 2. And i really liked DA 2 and view MEA as a refined and polished DA 2. Where it counts for me, DA2 appeals to me much more than Andromeda. The characters, the character interactions and the personal rise to glory story of the lead. I'm sorry, I don't find any of that in Andromeda. All the aspects where Andromeda has much more polish, don't really count towards my personal game experiences.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 20:55:25 GMT
Which basically is my main problem with the game. I never called it a bad game, cause it isn't, but it's easily my least favorite Bioware game. And my Bioware experience dates back to Baldur's gate. I skipped a few titles that didn't interest me in the first place, but right now I'm replaying DAII, which previously held the title of least favorite Bioware game for me. I'm astonished how even this game appeals more to me than the prospect of doing another run in Andromeda. Might also be that I expected more after five years of development. I shouldn't have, since I watched my favorite reviewers before buying, but I never expected the lead and companions to be that bland as compared to my previous experiences. its my third favorite of 7. It is worse then some but faaaaaarrr better then the worse bioware experience. (DAO)Its funny a lot of people who like MEA also liked DA 2. And i really liked DA 2 and view MEA as a refined and polished DA 2. Case in point. This is an example of you going off the deep end in your comments. Saying DAO is the worst Bioware experience, when Sonic Chronicles, NWN, DA2 etc are all out there as well, makes people think “is he serious? He can’t be serious” - and accordingly people will come after you because what you’ve written sounds so ridiculous. Sometimes it’s to argue, sometimes it’s to see how deep the rabbit-hole goes...
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 16, 2017 20:56:17 GMT
Its funny a lot of people who like MEA also liked DA 2. And i really liked DA 2 and view MEA as a refined and polished DA 2. Eh. I really didn't like DA2 - I thoroughly enjoyed the Force Mage class (largely because it was a knock-off of the ME1 Adept) but the actual game, the design, the story.... easily the most disappointing game from Bioware I've ever played. A big part of that is that it deviated so much from the established DAO formula. A big reason why I enjoyed DAI so much is that it dropped a lot of of the style that DA2 tried to run with and ended up taking chunks of DAO formula instead (honestly, compare DAI's Fade segment to DA2's... no contest). I'm thoroughly enjoying MEA, because it uses ME1 in the same way DAI used DAO. IT's not a copy and it needlessly removed certain gameplay aspects but it broadly hit the spot.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 20:57:39 GMT
then just pick the options on the right then. Complaints like this is like saying sassy hawk is the one.thing that ruin da2. It doesn’t matter what option you pick - you almost always get a sassy delivery. That’s why the writing is so devisive - i guess if you like bathroom humour and snarky dialogue, then yeah, the writing is top-notch. A lot of people don’t. Poor design decision to go all or nothing in this regard I guess. i was able to play a professional logical Ryder in my second playthrough and the logical and professional lines made him sound like...a military minded soldier. Very Shepard like at times.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 16, 2017 21:04:31 GMT
its my third favorite of 7. It is worse then some but faaaaaarrr better then the worse bioware experience. (DAO)Its funny a lot of people who like MEA also liked DA 2. And i really liked DA 2 and view MEA as a refined and polished DA 2. Case in point. This is an example of you going off the deep end in your comments. Saying DAO is the worst Bioware experience, when Sonic Chronicles, NWN, DA2 etc are all out there as well, makes people think “is he serious? He can’t be serious” - and accordingly people will come after you because what you’ve written sounds so ridiculous. Sometimes it’s to argue, sometimes it’s to see how deep the rabbit-hole goes... ive only played DA 2 on that list and to.me DA O was Grindy as hell, worse cast in a BW game, worse groups of antagonists in a BW game. Still had a really.good story and amazing sidequests.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 16, 2017 21:08:56 GMT
Case in point. This is an example of you going off the deep end in your comments. Saying DAO is the worst Bioware experience, when Sonic Chronicles, NWN, DA2 etc are all out there as well, makes people think “is he serious? He can’t be serious” - and accordingly people will come after you because what you’ve written sounds so ridiculous. Sometimes it’s to argue, sometimes it’s to see how deep the rabbit-hole goes... ive only played DA 2 on that list and to.me DA O was Grindy as hell, worse cast in a BW game, worse groups of antagonists in a BW game. Still had a really.good story and amazing sidequests. Well then saying it’s the worst BioWare experience is hyperbolic then, isn’t it. If anything, it shows you have a limited range of gaming experiences. Maybe you just need to frame your arguements better, because they often come off as sarcasm when I know you don’t mean them to. But you’re nowhere near as bad as Kabraxal. It’s as if Geralt did unimaginable, unspeakable things to him. And Link watched (but did nothing).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 21:31:53 GMT
then just pick the options on the right then. Complaints like this is like saying sassy hawk is the one.thing that ruin da2. It doesn’t matter what option you pick - you almost always get a sassy delivery. That’s why the writing is so devisive - i guess if you like bathroom humour and snarky dialogue, then yeah, the writing is top-notch. A lot of people don’t. Poor design decision to go all or nothing in this regard I guess. You're basing that on how many tries at making different selections from the very beginning of the game and then selecting the same line to evaluate the different lines that trigger at that point? Because what happens is that, several conversations later, a line that you selected way earlier changes the options you have available to you and the actual verbal dialogue that goes with it. That's why making such an absolute assessment as saying one "always" gets a sassy delivery is inaccurate based, as it is, on insufficient actual data. Part of the reason the player base is so divided in their opinions is that the game has so many options that affect individual lines of dialogue that none of are likely experiencing exactly the same game. In some circumstances, even using a different squad mate can lead to a totally different conversation happening.
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