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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 9:37:02 GMT
70 hours in i cannot get most of the complaints. At all. Some thoughts not coherently written as i am on work and i am stealing time to write this wall of text. Been taking my time as i am about to go to kadara port but i only have eos 98% and in havarl i did the vault yesterday. My feelings as of now are that Andromeda is one of the best games this gen, next to witcher3 and Inquisition . (mind you i ve played almost all AAA games and exclusives on my ps4, NOTHING compares to an rpg for me.) This game sure it is different than previous Mass effects to the point it s not tightly story driven, but no open world is. Taks are fetch quests named taks but at least all of the have something to say however ireelevant. there is some dialogue in them. This is an improvement since inquisition. All other quests are on a high point from bioware for me. Especially Vault assignement on Havarl was a fantastic quest. Huge, complicate and made sense. It lietterally led me through the whole planet. i had a purpose. There is definitely improvement than Inquisition where the main story missions were all not tied to the various zones. I simply cannot hear any bad dialogue or bad deliveries (sure there are some but this game has endless dialogue everywhere in The dialogue is on par with Bioware;s consistency. I do nt hear so far any cringy lines. The delivery of the dialogue is greatly done although i can hear Vivienne and Cassandra's voice actor ( ) and mother Giselle in many npcs The infamous Addison tired face was so blown out of proportions. Such a fuss was made from the content of the phrase " my face is tired" when in reality it 's just a line. When i first saw that scene i said " that was it?? that was it?? this is nothing to whine about ". The facial animations although not perfect are not something to whine about. In e32017 all conferences i saw many AAA games with worse facial animations: State of decay, Assassins creed Egypt to name a few. Yet i bet my ass noone bothers to mention them. I initialy did not like the Angara as the whole first contact with them was rushed but after a while i really like them, They are distict, they gave personality and they fit Mass effect. The animations are on par with inquisition and this is not a bad thing. My ryder (a custom one whose face i really dig with the limited CC) takes some classic bioware cowboy epic poses whcih i cannot get enough. They are not fluid like lets say uncharted but these are games with different focus. Even witcher had similar quality animations in my eyes. The companions: I like all of them, still i want to give them time in the future installments ( i want to believe theere will be). In retrospec past trilogy characters grew as games passed by. Still: Vetra has all the caliber(no pun intended) to be a next garrus. I really dig her. Love here voice actor - her voice - her reaction to romance is priceless Peebee is great. She is NOT another Sera (nothing wrong sera imo). FANTASTIC VOICE OVER. Suvi and Kalo are great. Liam, i cannot see why people dislike him, is it the accent? He has his moments. I like all the companion to the point i really want to know them. Update#1: Holy amazeballs! i am on voeld doing the quests and it feels great. There is a huge backlog of quests there but it is really manageable to tack them on if you roleplay ,which i do all the time. I don t get lost in the quest log at all. In fact i find the quest log to be an improvement to Me3 and inquisition. So far all the companions make pretty interesting dialogue. they give me the impression they get to know each other. i dont find anyone bad or boring companion so far. update #2 :some thoughts: One thing Andromeda fails is the geography, map design, landmark design. I kinda like the planets (the themes) ive been so far but something is missing in all of them. the geography is boring. the level-map design is boring. The vistas are not there. the landmarks are not there. it is not that they are barren cause Hissing waste and Western approach were barren but also very beautiful. Also a big fail immersion breaking for me is the flaura and fauna. There are boring as well. The fauna... consists of what??? a jerky moving raptor and some huge ass beetles? Storm coase on inquisition did not had any meaningful questline but it was a beast to look and roam at! too many landmarks, too many steeps but interesting ones! i remember the river that poured into the sea. I remember the views from above. everything. This alone made storm caose one of my favorite zones in inquisition. i always was eager to go there.
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Post by guanxi on Jun 14, 2017 9:42:45 GMT
Try playing it again without any patches.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 14, 2017 9:45:28 GMT
The sidequests may be better than in Inquisition, but not by much. Everything else has been a downgrade from Inquisition.
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Post by abaris on Jun 14, 2017 9:47:51 GMT
I never had the feeling of this being a bad game. It's solid, after the patches, and it's fun. I can't however understand how someone having played Inquisition can think this is on par. Neither in the companion nor in the story department. Different tastes I guess.
With Inquisition I felt this urge to start yet another replay. Doing one now, as it is. With MEA I didn't feel that itch.
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Post by dalinne on Jun 14, 2017 9:51:23 GMT
Keep in mind your playing the 8th patch. Addison infamous quote "my face is tired" was paired with a motionless expression in a heavy and tasteless excessive makeup and unholy soulless eyes. It's strange how those little things can make you dislike a character so much (she is now one of my favs. It helps she is not Udina 2.0 as I feared at first).
The patches have helped to improve the experience a lot (I'm playing my second complete playtrough and the differences are very noticiable). What I didn't like about the writing was how many things they could have used to put your character in more uncomfortable places (many times any kind of moral conflict has been "softened" in order to remove any kind of stress from the player, from RPGs perspective.
You are so spot on with Vetra. She is my personal favourite and she has plenty of things I liked from Garrus approached from a very different way, with a very different background and very different resolution (sense of humour, street smarts, more focused in her family rather in her personal vendettas, able to bend the rules but not in a vigilante way, more interested in help the people she cared of and that's it). I liked Peebee a lot, and Liam. In this game I'm knowing Cora and Jaal better, which is an improvement. Also, I want to remark is a very different experience to play with a very logical and profesional Ryder. I didn't think I could say this, but I like her more (because when the rare moments I take a casual response, seems like she was very tired of shit and she is over formalities).
I think you are right: the game was underappreciated at first by critics, players and fans. However, that criticism, I'm sorry, was at some points, well funded. At the release the game was pretty chaotic. But it is a good game. A very good one.
And Vetra is a goddess.
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Post by Gyer on Jun 14, 2017 9:56:50 GMT
Try playing it again without any patches. ^^^ This times 1 million lol. If you played Andromeda like I did as soon as it launched, you would have got a totally different experience - appalling animations and lip syncing that was so badly out of sync, it completely destroyed all immersion in every scene where you are talking to an NPC. How Bioware released a AAA title in that state is beyond me.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 14, 2017 10:01:29 GMT
I think the state of the game on console was generally more robust, even pre-patches...
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 10:01:34 GMT
Try playing it again without any patches. Are we serious? Is this an argument? Am i expected to take this seriously? Been playing over a month since 1,05 for the record
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Post by Melcara on Jun 14, 2017 10:04:42 GMT
Try playing it again without any patches. Are we serious? Is this an argument? Am i expected to take this seriously? Been playing over a month since 1,05 for the record 1.05 was a massive improvement, primarily because they fixed the soulless eyes, which were very immersion breaking. You'd have to play the game at launch to understand.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2017 10:06:59 GMT
The suggestion that someone should play a game without patches is silly.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 10:07:39 GMT
I think the state of the game on console was generally more robust, even pre-patches... maybe. The patches arrived quite fast. Look i am not saying the game is perfect. it's not. But is this a sin? The sin is the initial release of the game. The sin is that after seeing Anthem andromeda could have been better. Still it's a damn good bioware game in my book. Witcher 3 which many love to dickride (excuse my harsh language) before the pacthes was not in a good state. It sure was not the mess andromeda was but still it got way better after. As of now the menu of witcher is a hassle to navigate, too slow to show up etc Now i am mentioning witcher as it is considered the Top rpg this gen
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Post by guanxi on Jun 14, 2017 10:07:47 GMT
Try playing it again without any patches. Are we serious? Is this an argument? Am i expected to take this seriously? Been playing over a month since 1,05 for the record First impressions were so poor the studio was gutted and the series is on indefinite hiatus. The damage was done 2 months ago, it's a bit late trying to patch up the titanic.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 14, 2017 10:09:18 GMT
Different tastes I guess. I hate this phrase with a passion. You may have different tastes on two different things of similar quality sure. But, it's not different "taste" when one thing is objectively of less quality than another. DA:I is a far more polished and robust game than ME:A in almost every way. You "personally" liking ME:A more than DA:I is where your subjective bias comes into play.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2017 10:10:41 GMT
Are we serious? Is this an argument? Am i expected to take this seriously? Been playing over a month since 1,05 for the record First impressions were so poor the studio was gutted and the series is on indefinite hiatus. The damage was done 2 months ago, it's a bit late trying to patch up the titanic. *screams into a paper bag*
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 10:11:14 GMT
Are we serious? Is this an argument? Am i expected to take this seriously? Been playing over a month since 1,05 for the record 1.05 was a massive improvement, primarily because they fixed the soulless eyes, which were very immersion breaking. You'd have to play the game at launch to understand. believe me man, i do understand. i actually held on playing at launch. I am not excusing bioware , i just wanna say that andromeda has it's highs . i don t like the no pause and the 3 ability limitation mind you. There is the effort in andromeda. It is there. the love is there.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 14, 2017 10:11:43 GMT
The suggestion that someone should play a game without patches is silly. Except that's what all gaming was before just a few years ago.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 10:13:50 GMT
Different tastes I guess. I hate this phrase with a passion. You may have different tastes on two different things of similar quality sure. But, it's not different "taste" when one thing is objectively of less quality than another. DA:I is a far more polished and robust game than ME:A in almost every way. You "personally" like the ME:A more than DA:I but that is where your subjective bias comes into play. yes Da:I in technical areas is more polished. Andromeda however acknowledges the other faulst of inquisitionlike , sidequests , banter, more cinematic camera, main quests INSIDE the zones , way less resource gathering, better "detective vision", better jump puzzles, NO shards, no collectathons.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jun 14, 2017 10:18:43 GMT
I never had the feeling of this being a bad game. It's solid, after the patches, and it's fun. I can't however understand how someone having played Inquisition can think this is on par. Neither in the companion nor in the story department. Different tastes I guess. With Inquisition I felt this urge to start yet another replay. Doing one now, as it is. With MEA I didn't feel that itch. Different tastes ? Maybe. I finish both games, DAI several times and if I will have to compare:
open world - MEA side quests - MEA combat - MEA main story - DAI main villain - DAI soundtrack - absolutely DAI companions - definitely DAI personal quests - DAI lore - DAI romances - similar level, neither good or bad.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 14, 2017 10:20:27 GMT
I hate this phrase with a passion. You may have different tastes on two different things of similar quality sure. But, it's not different "taste" when one thing is objectively of less quality than another. DA:I is a far more polished and robust game than ME:A in almost every way. You "personally" like the ME:A more than DA:I but that is where your subjective bias comes into play. yes Da:I in technical areas is more polished. Andromeda however acknowledges the other faulst of inquisitionlike , sidequests , banter, more cinematic camera, main quests INSIDE the zones , way less resource gathering, better "detective vision", better jump puzzles, NO shards, no collectathons. Actually, I'd say the combat and leveling system is better in Andromeda than in DAI, but the banter, companions, cinematics, story and main quests were much, much better in DAI. Also, there are "shards" in Andromeda. Remember the memory triggers?
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 14, 2017 10:21:35 GMT
I think the state of the game on console was generally more robust, even pre-patches... maybe. The patches arrived quite fast. Look i am not saying the game is perfect. it's not. But is this a sin? The sin is the initial release of the game. The sin is that after seeing Anthem andromeda could have been better. Still it's a damn good bioware game in my book. Witcher 3 which many love to dickride (excuse my harsh language) before the pacthes was not i a good state. It sure wa not the mess andromeda was but still it got way better after. Still as of now the menu of wicther is a hassle to navigate, too slow to show up etc Now i am mentioning wicther as it is considered the Top rpg this gen Pretty much agree. The patch improvements were mostly polish from my perspective. MEA was a solid game with a few issues. A May launch would have landed very differently, I suspect...
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 10:26:04 GMT
Actually, I'd say the combat and leveling system is better in Andromeda than in DAI, but the banter, companions, cinematics, story and main quests were much, much better in DAI. Also, there are "shards" in Andromeda. Remember the memory triggers? memory triggers at least offer insight and are part of some quest. Have in mind i loved inquisition.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 14, 2017 10:28:09 GMT
Am I the only one here who remember the HUGE shitstorm that hit DA:I after the release for the clunky KB+M controls? Lots of PC players (I am a PC player BTW) who claimed that the game was unplayable without a controller? I remember petitions online, lots of people asking for refunds. The game was even missing a walk/run toggle, lol. And now suddenly DA:I has become the "polished" game, while a month to fix ME:A is an unforgivable sin.
And before someone get me wrong, it's wrong in both cases. Games should be released in a playable state ad Day-1. But double standards are wrong too.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 14, 2017 10:34:23 GMT
Am I the only one here who remember the HUGE shitstorm that hit DA:I after the release for the clunky KB+M controls? Lots of PC players (I am a PC player BTW) who claimed that the game was unplayable without a controller? I remember petitions online, lots of people asking for refunds. The game was even missing a walk/run toggle, lol. And now suddenly DA:I has become the "polished" game, while a month to fix ME:A is an unforgivable sin. And before someone get me wrong, it's wrong in both cases. Games should be released in a playable state ad Day-1. But double standards are wrong too. I'd say an unpolished story, animations and cutscenes are a way bigger problem than a few unpolished gameplay functions.
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Post by bizantura on Jun 14, 2017 10:42:55 GMT
Fun story driven shooter but no RPG. Try playing it with SLI/Crossfire = not possible even after all the patching.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 14, 2017 10:43:56 GMT
Am I the only one here who remember the HUGE shitstorm that hit DA:I after the release for the clunky KB+M controls? Lots of PC players (I am a PC player BTW) who claimed that the game was unplayable without a controller? I remember petitions online, lots of people asking for refunds. The game was even missing a walk/run toggle, lol. And now suddenly DA:I has become the "polished" game, while a month to fix ME:A is an unforgivable sin. And before someone get me wrong, it's wrong in both cases. Games should be released in a playable state ad Day-1. But double standards are wrong too. I'd say an unpolished story, animations and cutscenes are way bigger problem than a few unpolished gameplay functions. Indeed. But every time you claim a game to be "unplayable" (for whatever reason) you should blame it always the same way for not being able to play it until it was patched. And when you forgive one after you were finally able to play it, you should forgive both.
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