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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 15:08:51 GMT
"Have to"? "Their own threads"? Take a deep breath friend, I'm not attacking you, or the one posting this thread. He said that he doesn't understand the complaints, so people responded that there's a marked difference in some aspects between the game he's playing right now, and the game that triggered most of these complaints.
No one "has to get" anything, but there's no need to play dumb either. Yes, of course some things are better now, but that's not very helpful to people who bought and played the game on release. This is not an issue of taste either, *some* low quality aspects and issues that were present on release are now simply gone. The dialogue, voice acting and quest structure did not change with a patch. My points applied to both technical staff and not. So far the dialogue-quests-characters are nice. Sure there is not an urgency but its the concept of the game itself. Its calld Andromeda and it has to do with settling down. All i am doing in-game questing has to do with finding a home and limiting Kett's menace so far. I so remember an argument here where i agree saying " Why must we always save the universe?" Well this time we do not. Not liking the game is totally healthy and acceptable imo but saying this game is crap is not imo. There is hard work to be found in some areas .
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Post by abaris on Jun 14, 2017 15:16:52 GMT
Fair enough, but you, like someone else, have stated that you find the game mediocre for all of its contents. Therefore I suppose that the initial bugs has just contributed to worsen the negative judgment of the game that you had. And even without the animation problems you would have still called it mediocre. Maybe polished but not enjoyable. And I suppose that it could also happen the opposite, that you could find it good or at least with a good potential IN SPITE of its problems. Maybe in that case you would have just stopped playing and waited for the fixes. Or tried a second playthrough right after they patched it, maybe also planned it in six months or so. I totally understand people who claim "Whatever, I am not going to play it again because it was mediocre". Because when I am done with a game I am done too, whether it is good or bad. Like I said, the people I cannot understand are the ones who keep criticizing it ONLY for its lack of polishness at the release. Oh, I always called it enjoyable far as I remember and I seem to remember calling it a good game but an average one. Nothing memorable. That was my judgment and that's, patches or not, I will say about this game forever. The difference being that, as opposed to the companions in DAI, it felt like a chore having to talk to some of the squadmates. And also, as opposed to DAI I didn't feel the itch to start a replay to try something different. I played it once and embarked on a NG+ run which I never finished because I got bored. I also repeatedly said, that bugs, animation issues and glitches didn't influence my judgment, since these are things that always get ironed out with patches. The game is solid now, but I highly doubt that I will pick it up again in the foreseeable future. I simply got the feeling there's nothing new to discover.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 15:17:58 GMT
the main story is a moer simple version of the trilogy enemies turn other species into monsters an ancient civilization's technology is used by the protagonist an asari was already investigating that civilization but much more boring then the side content is all boring repetitive tedious fetch quests, go talk, go scan, scan 100 minerals, scan 100 animals, shards, etc terribly boring, totally unnecesary maps are unnecessary gigantic and most are empty, lifeless, dulltry playing the side quests, fetch quests, taskes, etc, is way too tedious other game's maps have the sidecontent in the form of "?" and it is usually go there and loot-kill something. Other games have quite a few towers to climb on(even zelda has towers) Andromeda has none. Also from the 2 vaults i completed, there were not the same at all. there is zero collectibles also. My point is that other games have sidecontent just as boring. at least the "tasks" have some meaning instead of a plain "?"
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 14, 2017 15:35:42 GMT
Indeed. But every time you claim a game to be "unplayable" (for whatever reason) you should blame it always the same way for not being able to play it until it was patched. And when you forgive one after you were finally able to play it, you should forgive both. Um, DAI wasn't unplayable, though. Neither was MEA, for that matter. For some people, perhaps, but they must have been a minority, or the story would have made it into gaming tabloids pretty quickly. One is more polished, one is less polished. DAI's launch was infinitely better than Andromeda's, and it didn't need patches for basic stuff like eye shaders. So no, I shouldn't forgive both, as they are not on the same level. I'm not really sure how this logic works. DAI needed patches just to let players use more than three mouse buttons. How is this 'infinitely better' than aesthetic changes to certain character's eyes? Ultimately what a given player will forgive and what they won't is in the eye of the beholder, but if the idea is to provide a reasoned argument as to why MEA and DAI deserve different considerations, then you need far better logic than this.
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Post by Gyer on Jun 14, 2017 15:39:33 GMT
The suggestion that someone should play a game without patches is silly. I vehemently and totally disagree with this comment (yes you have triggered me ) If we as customers allow Game Developers to get away with the notion that it is ok to release a game in a bad state because you can always patch it up after launch, you know what the result is? The quality of games at launch will just get worse and worse, because Devs won't care about maintaining quality if we give them the signal that it is acceptable to just patch it afterwards...
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Post by EllanyaWindkeeper on Jun 14, 2017 15:39:50 GMT
My god, OP! Exactly my thoughts! Hey guys, I started my 1-st PT without any patches, and what? Yea, face animation was weird, eyes was very weird but story, adventure atmosphere captured me and I could not stop playing. For me Andromeda is absolutely Mass Effect, but new and fresh. And very solid RPG with awesome heroes, with long exciting story and amazing adventures.
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Post by Astralify on Jun 14, 2017 15:46:58 GMT
I've played for around 20 hours, after which I simply deleted it. Got any tips on how to endure the torture and finish the game maybe in the future? Which parts of my brain should I turn off in order for that to happen? (jk, I'm never touching that game again)
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Post by jclosed on Jun 14, 2017 15:47:57 GMT
My god, OP! Exactly my thoughts! Hey guys, I started my 1-st PT without any patches, and what? Yea, face animation was weird, eyes was very weird but story, adventure atmosphere captured me and I could not stop playing. For me Andromeda is absolutely Mass Effect, but new and fresh. And very solid RPG with awesome heroes, with long exciting story and amazing adventures. Completely agree.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 14, 2017 15:49:35 GMT
Oh, I always called it enjoyable far as I remember and I seem to remember calling it a good game but an average one. Nothing memorable. That was my judgment and that's, patches or not, I will say about this game forever. The difference being that, as opposed to the companions in DAI, it felt like a chore having to talk to some of the squadmates. And also, as opposed to DAI I didn't feel the itch to start a replay to try something different. I played it once and embarked on a NG+ run which I never finished because I got bored. Ah sorry.. by reading your previous post I thought that your judgment was more negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 15:53:20 GMT
70 hours in i cannot get most of the complaints. At all. Some thoughts not coherently written as i am on work and i am stealing time to write this wall of text. Been taking my time as i am about to go to kadara port but i only have eos 98% and in havarl i did the vault yesterday. My feelings as of now are that Andromeda is one of the best games this gen, next to witcher3 and Inquisition . (mind you i ve played almost all AAA games and exclusives on my ps4, NOTHING compares to an rpg for me.) This game sure it is different than previous Mass effects to the point it s not tightly story driven, but no open world is. Taks are fetch quests named taks but at least all of the have something to say however ireelevant. there is some dialogue in them. This is an improvement since inquisition. All other quests are on a high point from bioware for me. Especially Vault assignement on Havarl was a fantastic quest. Huge, complicate and made sense. It lietterally led me through the whole planet. i had a purpose. There is definitely improvement than Inquisition where the main story missions were all not tied to the various zones. I simply cannot hear any bad dialogue or bad deliveries (sure there are some but this game has endless dialogue everywhere in The dialogue is on par with Bioware;s consistency. I do nt hear so far any cringy lines. The delivery of the dialogue is greatly done although i can hear Vivienne and Cassandra's voice actor ( ) and mother Giselle in many npcs The infamous Addison tired face was so blown out of proportions. Such a fuss was made from the content of the phrase " my face is tired" when in reality it 's just a line. When i first saw that scene i said " that was it?? that was it?? this is nothing to whine about ". The facial animations although not perfect are not something to whine about. In e32017 all conferences i saw many AAA games with worse facial animations: State of decay, Assassins creed Egypt to name a few. Yet i bet my ass noone bothers to mention them. I initialy did not like the Angara as the whole first contact with them was rushed but after a while i really like them, They are distict, they gave personality and they fit Mass effect. The animations are on par with inquisition and this is not a bad thing. My ryder (a custom one whose face i really dig with the limited CC) takes some classic bioware cowboy epic poses whcih i cannot get enough. They are not fluid like lets say uncharted but these are games with different focus. Even witcher had similar quality animations in my eyes. The companions: I like all of them, still i want to give them time in the future installments ( i want to believe theere will be). In retrospec past trilogy characters grew as games passed by. Still: Vetra has all the caliber(no pun intended) to be a next garrus. I really dig her. Love here voice actor - her voice - her reaction to romance is priceless Peebee is great. She is NOT another Sera (nothing wrong sera imo). FANTASTIC VOICE OVER. Suvi and Kalo are great. Liam, i cannot see why people dislike him, is it the accent? He has his moments. I like all the companion to the point i really want to know them. Yep, it's a great game. Despite it being improved by patches, it was not actually horrific upon release. Just turns out there are a ton of drama queens out there that want to create a big negative stir over whatever don't meet their ideal. World is fill of these types of people who bang the drum of whatever bugs them and walk around complaining and needing to be right in their complaints. You can be a glass half empty person or a glass half full person. Glass half full folks have more fun, see things they like rather than focusing on the stuff they don't and enjoy life more. Welcome to the glass half full club. I'm so glad more people are playing the game and finding all the good it has. Glad to see you are enjoying it.
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Post by Ahriman on Jun 14, 2017 15:54:06 GMT
My god, OP! Exactly my thoughts! Hey guys, I started my 1-st PT without any patches, and what? Yea, face animation was weird, eyes was very weird but story, adventure atmosphere captured me and I could not stop playing. For me Andromeda is absolutely Mass Effect, but new and fresh. And very solid RPG with awesome heroes, with long exciting story and amazing adventures. Could you lend me your version of the game someday? Would love to play it. My version had some weird find-the-sudoku thing instead of a plot somehow.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 14, 2017 15:57:04 GMT
The suggestion that someone should play a game without patches is silly. I vehemently and totally disagree with this comment (yes you have triggered me ) If we as customers allow Game Developers to get away with the notion that it is ok to release a game in a bad state because you can always patch it up after launch, you know what the result is?A 85 metascore, and a game that nowadays is considered by many players one of the best games ever made. It has already started, many years ago. Therefore I'll ask it again: "Why only for this game?"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 15:57:20 GMT
The suggestion that someone should play a game without patches is silly. I vehemently and totally disagree with this comment (yes you have triggered me ) If we as customers allow Game Developers to get away with the notion that it is ok to release a game in a bad state because you can always patch it up after launch, you know what the result is? The quality of games at launch will just get worse and worse, because Devs won't care about maintaining quality if we give them the signal that it is acceptable to just patch it afterwards... How does telling new people to go back and play the game unpatched constitute telling developers that it's not OK to release a game in an unpolished state. It doesn't connect that way. If that's what you believe, then I'm just going to tell you bluntly to go back and play FO4 unpatched, TW3 unpatched, the ME Trilogy all unpatched, and here's the motherload one - Minecraft unpatched (and unmodded)... and then come back here and tell me again how MEA lived up to every bit of ridiculous criticism and metabombing it received even before it was released.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:01:39 GMT
What would be the point of that... just to convince someone who likes the game to agree with you and dislike it?... force a dissenter to fall in line with those who love to abuse Bioware? What? He did say that he "cannot get the complaints", playing the game in the state it was released might be helpful with that. There's no second chance for a first impression unfortunately.
This just brings back the fact that buying games on release, or even more so - preordering them, is simply a bad idea and we as consumers often get punished for doing these things.
Seriously? That's a thing people think others should do? Go find the worst version of something so you can deliberately try to have a less satisfying experience so you can understand why a bunch of negative people are bitching and complaining? If that is the new brand of 'logic', we can do with less. As far as first impressions go, people can always look for things they like about something even in the midst of things they don't like happening all around them. Those are the people who thrive in the world. Simply put, the world isn't always going to be perfect and give people everything exactly how they want it 24/7. Learning to see the positives and focus on them rather than focus on the things you don't like and complain incessantly is a skill well worth developing. The need for the complainer to be proven right just shows how lost they are in their misery. Which would you rather be? Right or happy? Complainers would rather be right. Happy people always choose to be happy.
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Post by Melcara on Jun 14, 2017 16:01:41 GMT
Um, DAI wasn't unplayable, though. Neither was MEA, for that matter. For some people, perhaps, but they must have been a minority, or the story would have made it into gaming tabloids pretty quickly. One is more polished, one is less polished. DAI's launch was infinitely better than Andromeda's, and it didn't need patches for basic stuff like eye shaders. So no, I shouldn't forgive both, as they are not on the same level. I'm not really sure how this logic works. DAI needed patches just to let players use more than three mouse buttons. How is this 'infinitely better' than aesthetic changes to certain character's eyes? Ultimately what a given player will forgive and what they won't is in the eye of the beholder, but if the idea is to provide a reasoned argument as to why MEA and DAI deserve different considerations, then you need far better logic than this. My logic was that adding eye shaders into the game after launch is bizarre, as it is something so basic that it should have been there from the start. It just highlighted how terribly unfinished MEA was. DAI didn't have anything like that. Again, MEA had way more problems at launch, which is why these situations are incomparable. Btw, it wasn't certain characters' eyes. It wasn't a minor problem. It was all eyes in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:06:16 GMT
I vehemently and totally disagree with this comment (yes you have triggered me ) If we as customers allow Game Developers to get away with the notion that it is ok to release a game in a bad state because you can always patch it up after launch, you know what the result is? The quality of games at launch will just get worse and worse, because Devs won't care about maintaining quality if we give them the signal that it is acceptable to just patch it afterwards... How does telling new people to go back and play the game unpatched constitute telling developers that it's not OK to release a game in an unpolished state. It doesn't connect that way. If that's what you believe, then I'm just going to tell you bluntly to go back and play FO4 unpatched, TW3 unpatched, the ME Trilogy all unpatched, and here's the motherload one - Minecraft unpatched (and unmodded)... and then come back here and tell me again how MEA lived up to every bit of ridiculous criticism and metabombing it received even before it was released. Yes, we all shall man up, and play all games in their original state w/o patches, DLCs and mods. Preferably on the minimal requirement systems, or even better, under-spec. In fact, hooking alpha build up to a selection of root vegetables and projecting it on a clover leaf is the way to go. Anyone else is a sissy. That's the way the Spartans play video Games!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:11:14 GMT
I'm not really sure how this logic works. DAI needed patches just to let players use more than three mouse buttons. How is this 'infinitely better' than aesthetic changes to certain character's eyes? Ultimately what a given player will forgive and what they won't is in the eye of the beholder, but if the idea is to provide a reasoned argument as to why MEA and DAI deserve different considerations, then you need far better logic than this. My logic was that adding eye shaders into the game after launch is bizarre, as it is something so basic that it should have been there from the start. It just highlighted how terribly unfinished MEA was. DAI didn't have anything like that It's a pity, tbh, because hair, facial hair and eyelashes in DAI would have benefited from an overhaul. That bothered me much more than eyes in Andromeda, and it has been never been patched.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:11:58 GMT
I vehemently and totally disagree with this comment (yes you have triggered me ) If we as customers allow Game Developers to get away with the notion that it is ok to release a game in a bad state because you can always patch it up after launch, you know what the result is? The quality of games at launch will just get worse and worse, because Devs won't care about maintaining quality if we give them the signal that it is acceptable to just patch it afterwards... How does telling new people to go back and play the game unpatched constitute telling developers that it's not OK to release a game in an unpolished state. It doesn't connect that way. If that's what you believe, then I'm just going to tell you bluntly to go back and play FO4 unpatched, TW3 unpatched, the ME Trilogy all unpatched, and here's the motherload one - Minecraft unpatched (and unmodded)... and then come back here and tell me again how MEA lived up to every bit of ridiculous criticism and metabombing it received even before it was released. It's just the kind of illogical thinking that we have seen repeatedly in this forum. If someone comes along and likes the game and say they don't get the criticism (which was over the top even for BW crazy fan/hater factor) then the haters are all 'you're wrong because you didn't experience it the way I did' and have to be right about it. What strikes me now is that there were plenty of people who actually stopped playing and decided to wait for patches. They were not negative about it at all. They simply said 'okay, I'll wait for patches and do something else until then.' No drama. No freakouts. No burn BW to the ground and kill all their children posts. Just simple 'okay, I'll just play it later.' And now they are playing it as that 'later' has arrived. They knew what it was like unpatched and now they come back and find they really like the game. And yet, none of the patches really changed anything that monumental. I'm 100% sure that even if the game had next to nothing that needed patches, these people who hate on it would have found something to bitch about anyway. I know that kind of person. You just cannot win with them ever. Their mind is always geared to what is wrong and god forbid anyone point out what is going right. Apparently BW has attracted an absurd amount of these kinds of people. Either that or as time passes there are more of them out there in the world.
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Post by EllanyaWindkeeper on Jun 14, 2017 16:18:42 GMT
My god, OP! Exactly my thoughts! Hey guys, I started my 1-st PT without any patches, and what? Yea, face animation was weird, eyes was very weird but story, adventure atmosphere captured me and I could not stop playing. For me Andromeda is absolutely Mass Effect, but new and fresh. And very solid RPG with awesome heroes, with long exciting story and amazing adventures. Could you lend me your version of the game someday? Would love to play it. My version had some weird find-the-sudoku thing instead of a plot somehow. I'm very sorry for you but I can't help, really. I just play my role play and enjoy, I don't complain and accept rules of the game, if I like the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:33:51 GMT
My god, OP! Exactly my thoughts! Hey guys, I started my 1-st PT without any patches, and what? Yea, face animation was weird, eyes was very weird but story, adventure atmosphere captured me and I could not stop playing. For me Andromeda is absolutely Mass Effect, but new and fresh. And very solid RPG with awesome heroes, with long exciting story and amazing adventures. Could you lend me your version of the game someday? Would love to play it. My version had some weird find-the-sudoku thing instead of a plot somehow. Actually there are two fixes for this: 1. Buy remnant decryption keys at the market in aya and the merchant on the nexus for about 450 credits each (pretty cheap) 2. Use internet to look up the decryption images. Even if you are on a PC, if you have a phone you can take a picture or load the web page and use that to just fill in the blanks. Takes like two or three minutes max. It's not like there aren't easy workarounds. I hated the decryption stuff at first, but I knew lots of people would post the solutions. Low and behold, between eurogamers and IGN I never had to actually solve one. Then in I think the second patch they did they made decryption keys easily available and set the price to roughly 450 credits and made sure they had them in stock at a few vendors. You could with a few thousand credits probably just buy, save, reload and stock up if you have the money. If not, internet is your friend.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 16:35:58 GMT
Could you lend me your version of the game someday? Would love to play it. My version had some weird find-the-sudoku thing instead of a plot somehow. Actually there are two fixes for this: 1. Buy remnant decryption keys at the market in aya and the merchant on the nexus for about 450 credits each (pretty cheap) 2. Use internet to look up the decryption images. Even if you are on a PC, if you have a phone you can take a picture or load the web page and use that to just fill in the blanks. Takes like two or three minutes max. It's not like there aren't easy workarounds. I hated the decryption stuff at first, but I knew lots of people would post the solutions. Low and behold, between eurogamers and IGN I never had to actually solve one. Then in I think the second patch they did they made decryption keys easily available and set the price to roughly 450 credits and made sure they had them in stock at a few vendors. You could with a few thousand credits probably just buy, save, reload and stock up if you have the money. If not, internet is your friend. come on people, they are not that difficult , they can be bypassed and you actually use your brain. In last bioware games puzzles were removed to my dissapointment. Bru=ing back towers of annoi damn it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:38:27 GMT
How does telling new people to go back and play the game unpatched constitute telling developers that it's not OK to release a game in an unpolished state. It doesn't connect that way. If that's what you believe, then I'm just going to tell you bluntly to go back and play FO4 unpatched, TW3 unpatched, the ME Trilogy all unpatched, and here's the motherload one - Minecraft unpatched (and unmodded)... and then come back here and tell me again how MEA lived up to every bit of ridiculous criticism and metabombing it received even before it was released. Yes, we all shall man up, and play all games in their original state w/o patches, DLCs and mods. Preferably on the minimal requirement systems, or even better, under-spec. In fact, hooking alpha build up to a selection of root vegetables and projecting it on a clover leaf is the way to go. Anyone else is a sissy. That's the way the Spartans play video Games! I'm not implying a "manning up" of anything. Note Minecraft - epitome of release of an unfinished game that, instead of drawing the ire of people, caused them to rally into a culture of co-development of the game over a period of years. Today, it's basically almost unrecognizable from the game that was released. When the game was ported onto the Xbox 360, no end of problems resulted. Each update of the game to try to get it to "catch up" to the PC version resulted in huge bugs each time that required patches after the fact just to make the game playable again... that is, the game would be playable before each update, but the update would break it, and it require further patches to stabilize that update. Even so, it's never received the ridiculous amount of meming etc. that ME:A has endured... and now, it seems, that some people want to see it continue to endure despite Bioware having fixed many of the those issues. I'm of the view that no one should be told to go back and play an unpatched game. The poster who did that here could have easily just said that the game, at release, had more bugs than it does now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 16:38:53 GMT
Actually there are two fixes for this: 1. Buy remnant decryption keys at the market in aya and the merchant on the nexus for about 450 credits each (pretty cheap) 2. Use internet to look up the decryption images. Even if you are on a PC, if you have a phone you can take a picture or load the web page and use that to just fill in the blanks. Takes like two or three minutes max. It's not like there aren't easy workarounds. I hated the decryption stuff at first, but I knew lots of people would post the solutions. Low and behold, between eurogamers and IGN I never had to actually solve one. Then in I think the second patch they did they made decryption keys easily available and set the price to roughly 450 credits and made sure they had them in stock at a few vendors. You could with a few thousand credits probably just buy, save, reload and stock up if you have the money. If not, internet is your friend. come on people, they are not that difficult , they can be bypassed and you actually use your brain. In last bioware games puzzles were removed to my dissapointment. Bru=ing back towers of annoi damn it! That was my point. I wasn't really into them at all before because they felt like they broke the flow, so I found a way to just do them fastest. I still love the game and now I actually do solve most of the puzzles that are faster. But there are easy solutions for those that don't like them as there should be.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 14, 2017 16:45:11 GMT
Challenge accepted: Name me some games with better immersion this gen.
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