What score this game deserved after latest patches?

I would only question the sanity of someone who says this game is a 0/10 or a 10/10.   These people are obviously insane and should be restrained and locked in padded rooms before they harm anyone.  

8.5 before patch
- For treat male s/s romance poorly ( I want Liam too, Reyes romance should have a bit more content)
- For Medicore facial animation.

8.75 for after patch
- For fix many issue that annoy people (not me).
- For improve facial animation
- For add Jaal for male s/s romance (not Liam like I want but still)
- Minus for BIG skip button that appear everytime when travel between planet. It's really ruin my enjoyment. Can it be smaller or at least move it to right/left screen.

ME3's main story is great until the ending choice. The Anderson scene is probably my favorite in the series and I would score the game in my top 5 games ever.. But it is a game that predicts the micromanaging to come, with its War Assets and shallow side quests and all that. That's why it gets the lowest of the ME games from me -- it's great in many ways, but I just want to *play.* I don't totally get this move to micromanaging assets and settlements etc. in games. I don't want to *work* in my games!

Like I guess I am just very Type B but I really don't want to manage things in GAMES. It's annoying enough managing my bank account.... I just don't want to micromanage anything in my games for a similar reason I dislike MMO: please leave me alone, I am escaping the world in which we live and have no desire to talk to anyone.

(MEA is below ME3 for me---ME3 is lowest in the OT ranking but above MEA, which, with its insipid side quests, I think heralds the decline that is solidified with Anthem the Destiny clone: people are bored and can no longer distinguish work from play. viva capitalism and all that.)

You must really hate most rpgs and all of jrpgs...

Please don't quote the metacritic user scores as some high-water mark of integrity 
People bombed the site with scores of '0' within minutes of the site opening its scoring and well before any rational person could have made a judgment.

Either way, I think MEA's reputation will resurrect in time, much as Dragon Age 2 has.

That's some solid ass logic right there

While I generally prefer the SR-2 (and certainly the ME3 variant), I have to admit that I'm surprised anyone would complain about this specific aspect. Some of the inter-crew banter on the Tempest was honestly OT worthy. I lost count of the number of times I LOL'd at things like the Poker banter and Jaal and Liam talking smack.

That's a matter of opinion I think as the game runs much better for me now than it did at launch. Because I was suffering a lot from stuttering and crashing in cutscenes the game couldn't run for more than 5 minutes without crashing. I've be3en playing it quite a bit in the past fwe days with 1.08 and it may have crashed twice but that's all it's running much smoother now.

I never stated that this forum was useless for gaining information about this game. In fact, in the last alinea of my first post I stated that one could look here to see what longtime Bioware fans think of the game. With some proper research and groundwork, exactly like you state, you can get solid ideas and information from some of the posts here. But, let me say it again, and hopefully for the last time, that this wasn't the point of my post. Griffith stated that this forum was a better indicator than metacritic for the reception of this game, and that statement still boggles my mind. I've already stated four issues with this forum when it comes to gathering information in my previous posts which still stand. When you do use this forum to gain an opinion you'll have to understand that the user base of this forum is, in comparison to the entirety of the playerbase, extremely small. You need to keep in mind that almost all users here have a strong bias one way or the other. Users on this forum are almost all unable to gain access to official sources and have barely any connections in the professional gaming world. Last but not least, comparing and rating games isn't our daytime job. Especially on the technical side of things we are simply unable to make the solid comparisons professional critics can make. And I want to reiterate here that I don't state that they automatically do that. All of these points still stand. Yes, you can scour the archives and look for exceptions to the rule but that doesn't make this place automatically better than a professional site like Metacritic. It only makes some of the posters more reliable than the others. The same accounts for metacritic itself when it comes to reviewers there, but the rule of thumb is that the reliability and accessibility there is generally on a much higher level than here.

And now to the second part of your post and the reactions made by Colfoley and some others after you because that's what actually spooked me a little bit. I think it's a huge assumption to make that there is any kind of a conspiracy going on against Andromeda in the media, and if there's one thing which I absolutely dislike it's 'conspiracy theory' accusations without any solid proof. The only arguments I see here are 'general feelings' that the ratings should be higher and 'hunches' that people were influenced by the memes. Sorry to say it, but now you guys are looking into it way too hard. Aren't you the one anyway UpUpAwayRedux who accused trolls here of having an agenda? Also a statement which is quite dangerous to make and from which, except for maybe Suikoden, I find not a single drop of evidence on this forum. If there's any agenda here it's that people want their opinions heard so that they hopefully find more joy in a next installment. Doesn't make them secret KGB agents hellbend on destroying this franchise. Furthermore, let me make this perfectly clear. I have no problem with people giving this game a 8.5 or higher. That's their opinion and as long as they don't attack others for not being so enthusiastic I am only happy for them that they found a game they could enjoy so much as this one. I do have a problem however with people in that group thinking that they are the majority with the rightful high ground and that the 'haters' and 'corrupt' media are on a Witch Hunt to take their beloved Holy Grail down. That's unfounded paranoia, and it's not healthy.

First of all, let me point out that the metacritic scores are based on the state of the game at release. You didn't play it back then UpUpAwayRedux, you said so yourself in another thread, but you should be happy about that because the game was clearly unfinished. This has probably been told you time and time again but the fact that the game got a lower score can atleast partially be explained because everyone who pre-ordered it was being treated as an alpha tester. Even though the animations and a lot of bugs have been fixed since then, you can't blame the reviewers for giving it a grade based on its state at release, not on how the game might have looked in the couple of months after it. Now one could argue that those same reviewers have to revisit their reviews and adjust the ratings, and they might increase a little bit, but like a lot of the posters in this thread even have stated before, the issues a lot of people have with this game aren't patcheable. And yes, I can understand that some of the people here still feel that 72 is too low because they thorougly enjoyed the game, even at release. The problem is though that they are way too invested in the 72, and therefore overlook individual critics. Even though Bioware really dropped the ball with the release there are still 12 reviewers on metacritic giving this game more than an 80. Professionals who like this game exist. They are simply not the majority. Does that imply that Andromeda is the victim of an attack by the media? Nope, it implies that some critics, just like some fans and posters here, do not share your enthusiastic opinion about this game.

So let's talk about the state of the game now and see if the critics are really that far off. I've calculated the average grade on this thread without counting the 10, the 2 and the 0, and it's a 7.4. So even on a forum which is largely devoid of the memers, media and corresponding 'sheeps' we're only 0.2 points higher than the 7.2 given by critics at release. And then we also have to take into account that the reviews were based on the release version whilst the grades here are based on the patched version. Even if some of the critics aren't reliable and some of the forum posters here are trolls I still don't see any signs of a Witch Hunt or Media Circus. Please understand that the people 'loving' this game exist and are a significant minority, but in no means a majority. For a lot of the people, apparently even those here on the fan forum, the game is simply average. I have two things to say about that. This conclusion should not mean that it has to detract from your pleasure of the game in any way. I'm not trying to convince you to stop enjoying it. I am trying to convince you however that the people giving this game a 9 or higher are on the outside of the spectrum, not in the center. That does not mean that there has to be an all out war between us, but that does mean that people have to stop calling us trolls, haters and memers simply because our opinion differs. (This is also true the other way 'round).

Apart from that I always enjoy conversing with you Redux so if this post came over a little bit harsh I apologise in advance. I just think people play the 'conspiracy' card a little bit too much nowadays and that bothers me. Hence the ragepost.