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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 19, 2017 20:23:42 GMT
FWIW, swap the ME1 and MEA scores around and you've pretty much got my view of the series. For me it'd take a swap of ME3 and ME1, and a substraction of a further 0.5-1 out of ME3's score. I have a bit of a soft spot for ME3. It did everything I actually wanted the OT to do - I got to see the homeworlds of all the major species, I got to see mars, I got to lead the whole galaxy against the Reapers, I got more guns than I knew what to do with, I got to meet a living Prothean, I got to hear the history and origins of the Reapers, I got to hear about the Batarians being stomped into kibbles and I got to fill my quarters with more junk than Han Solo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 20:44:47 GMT
For me it'd take a swap of ME3 and ME1, and a substraction of a further 0.5-1 out of ME3's score. I have a bit of a soft spot for ME3. It did everything I actually wanted the OT to do - I got to see the homeworlds of all the major species, I got to see mars, I got to lead the whole galaxy against the Reapers, I got more guns than I knew what to do with, I got to meet a living Prothean, I got to hear the history and origins of the Reapers, I got to hear about the Batarians being stomped into kibbles and I got to fill my quarters with more junk than Han Solo. I also like ME3. Save for the insipid gray dreams sequences and weak companion cast after the cornucopia in ME2, it is a compelling game with an ending I loved very much because I am weird like that. but I like beginnings and endings, and don't like stories that stretch and stretch and stretch after they got all used up.
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Post by warrior on Jun 19, 2017 20:55:11 GMT
I found the F!Ryder to be too girly, shy and saccharine, but M!Ryder was my kind of a kid about the Galaxy. Sure, would not have minded him being more like Bounty Hunter in SWTOR, and hitting annoying people in the face, but I don't mind his attitude and lip either. Part of the reason I like to play proper RPGs is that you can play as a female PC, so it's hard for me to resist being a female PC in all my PTs, just because in almost all other games I am required to play a dude whether I want to or not. However sisRyder is no femShep so if I do a third run I may try him to see if he is a little saltier (second will be another sis though).
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Post by kumazan on Jun 19, 2017 21:14:25 GMT
For me it'd take a swap of ME3 and ME1, and a substraction of a further 0.5-1 out of ME3's score. I have a bit of a soft spot for ME3. It did everything I actually wanted the OT to do - I got to see the homeworlds of all the major species, I got to see mars, I got to lead the whole galaxy against the Reapers, I got more guns than I knew what to do with, I got to meet a living Prothean, I got to hear the history and origins of the Reapers, I got to hear about the Batarians being stomped into kibbles and I got to fill my quarters with more junk than Han Solo. Yeah, I get that. I'm harsh on ME3, but in the end I learnt to cope with that, and I wound up having multiple playthroughs, if only because I'm stubborn and I was not letting one game ruin me the end of the trilogy like that.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 19, 2017 21:22:54 GMT
ME 3 had some of the most standout parts of all of Mass Effect: Lesuss, 2181 Despoina, Mahavid, the Tuchanka permutations and (bear with me here) parts of Thessia, namely finally seeing the Asari in action (and the gunship pilots dying over the radio). Fuck kai leng for spoiling all o that though.
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Post by henkiedepost on Jun 19, 2017 22:02:41 GMT
I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't. I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic. This forum is a better indicator than metacritic? In what way? This place is nothing more than a small community of mostly hardcore Bioware fans. There is no other reason, except for loving atleast some of Bio's games or flat-out trolling, to be here. I therefore see atleast two negative points when it comes to using this community as an indicator for the playerbase at large. The userbase is too small and the people tend to be biased. No single poll or thread here can therefore be used as a definitive indicator of how the game is received. Atleast not without using other sources for cross-reference. Metacritic is also not the best place to look, I'm the first to admit that, but it has its strong-points which you seem to overlook. I'm not talking about the user scores by the way because they are utter garbage and anyone using them as a source just needs to get off the internet. My post is about the critic scores. Those too have the problem that they, in the end, are comprised of a small sample group. On the other hand, criticasting is those people's job, not a pasttime. They tend to be more professional in their arguments and statements than the people here. Critics rate and compare games on an almost daily basis so they have a better overview of how a game fits in comparison to other releases around it. In the end Metacritic is still a collection of opinions though so you can always be free to disagree, but when it comes to sources the amount of 'authority' one has to speak and write about a subject is extremely important, and this is clearly in metacritic's favor. Fans still have some authority because they can compare Andromeda with other Bioware games and are often quite knowledgeable on the consumer-end of gaming, but critics, on the other hand, are professionals. The pool of games they have played and reviewed is probably larger, they tend to have more background information and knowledge and they can structurally write on a professional level. They have, as long as their track record is solid, a greater authority than a Bioware fan like you and me. You might not like that, and that's fine, but it's just how sources work. So I can't help but feel that your statement that this forum is a better indicator than metacritic is quite problematic and I would like to hear your view on why it's the other way round. Still though, I would like to underscore that I personally never base my assumptions on one source alone. Best way to look at the reception of the game with the limited overview we have is to use as many sources as possible, studying their merits and problems and weigh them down. I can look here to see what a handful of longtime Bioware fans think of the game. I look at social media and my local surroundings to get a grasp of what a lot of casuals think of the game and I look at metacritic and individual review sites to see what professionals have to think. The more sources the better I say.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 19, 2017 22:28:22 GMT
I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't. Well, to be fair, your original post came across as a bit loaded - at best it wasn't clear what you were saying. And griffith was just asking you a question. Nope, that was the text of someone getting near to being triggered, not a question. Let's not play child here. I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic. Haha - now that's funny. Any credibility you had is gooonnnneee. I never agreed with this guys, always a radical at his core, but so much this. "better indicator than metacritic."A bunch of hugely biased Bioware "gamers" who are overly emotional, as seen with the ending fiasco, MEA's pre-release, and then the stupid Jaal hashtag. Yeah, sure, much reliable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 22:29:14 GMT
I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic. This forum is a better indicator than metacritic? In what way? This place is nothing more than a small community of mostly hardcore Bioware fans. There is no other reason, except for loving atleast some of Bio's games or flat-out trolling, to be here. I therefore see atleast two negative points when it comes to using this community as an indicator for the playerbase at large. The userbase is too small and the people tend to be biased. No single poll or thread here can therefore be used as a definitive indicator of how the game is received. Atleast not without using other sources for cross-reference. Metacritic is also not the best place to look, I'm the first to admit that, but it has its strong-points which you seem to overlook. I'm not talking about the user scores by the way because they are utter garbage and anyone using them as a source just needs to get off the internet. My post is about the critic scores. Those too have the problem that they, in the end, are comprised of a small sample group. On the other hand, criticasting is those people's job, not a pasttime. They tend to be more professional in their arguments and statements than the people here. Critics rate and compare games on an almost daily basis so they have a better overview of how a game fits in comparison to other releases around it. In the end Metacritic is still a collection of opinions though so you can always be free to disagree, but when it comes to sources the amount of 'authority' one has to speak and write about a subject is extremely important, and this is clearly in metacritic's favor. Fans still have some authority because they can compare Andromeda with other Bioware games and are often quite knowledgeable on the consumer-end of gaming, but critics, on the other hand, are professionals. The pool of games they have played and reviewed is probably larger, they tend to have more background information and knowledge and they can structurally write on a professional level. They have, as long as their track record is solid, a greater authority than a Bioware fan like you and me. You might not like that, and that's fine, but it's just how sources work. So I can't help but feel that your statement that this forum is a better indicator than metacritic is quite problematic and I would like to hear your view on why it's the other way round. Still though, I would like to underscore that I personally never base my assumptions on one source alone. Best way to look at the reception of the game with the limited overview we have is to use as many sources as possible, studying their merits and problems and weigh them down. I can look here to see what a handful of longtime Bioware fans think of the game. I look at social media and my local surroundings to get a grasp of what a lot of casuals think of the game and I look at metacritic and individual review sites to see what professionals have to think. The more sources the better I say. Sorry, among the previewers and reviewers are enough that are simply not as professional about it as you claim; and they've let me down too many times... i.e. where upon playing the game myself, I had a completely different opinion on it than they did. Some of them churn out articles that are basically click-bait on a regular timetable and some of the panel discussions are laden with all sorts of just plain attention-seeking silliness. I'm of the view that the best way to get a halfway accurate assessment of the game is to watch people actually playing the game as they play the game, preferably blind... listening to their natural commentary as they encounter various elements of the game and then decide for oneself whether or not it's a game that interests you.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 19, 2017 22:49:16 GMT
Well, to be fair, your original post came across as a bit loaded - at best it wasn't clear what you were saying. And griffith was just asking you a question. Nope, that was the text of someone getting near to being triggered, not a question. Let's not play child here. Haha - now that's funny. Any credibility you had is gooonnnneee. I never agreed with this guys, always a radical at his core, but so much this. "better indicator than metacritic."A bunch of hugely biased Bioware "gamers" who are overly emotional, as seen with the ending fiasco, MEA's pre-release, and then the stupid Jaal hashtag. Yeah, sure, much reliable. I'm a radical because I disagree with you and the other "haters." Ok that's some sound logic here.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jun 19, 2017 22:49:38 GMT
Um, my score was bumped up .08 since patch 1.08. Originally I gave the game a 5/10 but it's gotten a bit better since.
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Post by Pearl on Jun 19, 2017 22:57:12 GMT
7/10. Before all the patches, my score was a 6.5/10.
The patches have noticeably improved the technical aspects of the game, although there are still a handful of cutscenes that completely bug out, and some quests remain broken. My problems with the game, such as how recycled and predictable the main quest is, the wildly inconsistent writing, and the cookie-cutter biomes of the explorable worlds, cannot be fixed in patches.
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Post by henkiedepost on Jun 19, 2017 22:58:59 GMT
This forum is a better indicator than metacritic? In what way? This place is nothing more than a small community of mostly hardcore Bioware fans. There is no other reason, except for loving atleast some of Bio's games or flat-out trolling, to be here. I therefore see atleast two negative points when it comes to using this community as an indicator for the playerbase at large. The userbase is too small and the people tend to be biased. No single poll or thread here can therefore be used as a definitive indicator of how the game is received. Atleast not without using other sources for cross-reference. Metacritic is also not the best place to look, I'm the first to admit that, but it has its strong-points which you seem to overlook. I'm not talking about the user scores by the way because they are utter garbage and anyone using them as a source just needs to get off the internet. My post is about the critic scores. Those too have the problem that they, in the end, are comprised of a small sample group. On the other hand, criticasting is those people's job, not a pasttime. They tend to be more professional in their arguments and statements than the people here. Critics rate and compare games on an almost daily basis so they have a better overview of how a game fits in comparison to other releases around it. In the end Metacritic is still a collection of opinions though so you can always be free to disagree, but when it comes to sources the amount of 'authority' one has to speak and write about a subject is extremely important, and this is clearly in metacritic's favor. Fans still have some authority because they can compare Andromeda with other Bioware games and are often quite knowledgeable on the consumer-end of gaming, but critics, on the other hand, are professionals. The pool of games they have played and reviewed is probably larger, they tend to have more background information and knowledge and they can structurally write on a professional level. They have, as long as their track record is solid, a greater authority than a Bioware fan like you and me. You might not like that, and that's fine, but it's just how sources work. So I can't help but feel that your statement that this forum is a better indicator than metacritic is quite problematic and I would like to hear your view on why it's the other way round. Still though, I would like to underscore that I personally never base my assumptions on one source alone. Best way to look at the reception of the game with the limited overview we have is to use as many sources as possible, studying their merits and problems and weigh them down. I can look here to see what a handful of longtime Bioware fans think of the game. I look at social media and my local surroundings to get a grasp of what a lot of casuals think of the game and I look at metacritic and individual review sites to see what professionals have to think. The more sources the better I say. Sorry, among the previewers and reviewers are enough that are simply not as professional about it as you claim; and they've let me down too many times... i.e. where upon playing the game myself, I had a completely different opinion on it than they did. Some of them churn out articles that are basically click-bait on a regular timetable and some of the panel discussions are laden with all sorts of just plain attention-seeking silliness. I'm of the view that the best way to get a halfway accurate assessment of the game is to watch people actually playing the game as they play the game, preferably blind... listening to their natural commentary as they encounter various elements of the game and then decide for oneself whether or not it's a game that interests you. Oh I know and acknowledge that there are a lot of rotten tomatoes in the bunch when it comes to reviewers and critics. That's why I also specifically added that their track record is of vital importance when defining the amount of authority they have. About reviewers letting you down... In the end it simply all comes down to opinions anyway. I've disagreed with reviewers many times but that's why you need to look out for reviewers with a similar taste and style. Oh, and you should also try to gain information from as much sources as possible. Looking at people playing the game is also a good way to assess if you like a game or not so I commend you for that and I agree that it is a good way to gather intelligence. The discussion between Lucas and Griffith was about Metacritic and this forum however and which one held more merit. Hence the exclusion of individual streamers from my post. When it comes down to that I still believe that professionals tend give a better indication of the reception of a game than a smaller fan forum. We are in the middle of it all after all whilst they can report on things from the outside and have generally access to more sources than we have. 'Tend' is the keyword here however, because it is ALWAYS important to check each individual critic or poster for his/her track record. No matter how professional one might seem to be. I'm looking at you IGN.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2017 23:05:56 GMT
Honestly these days pretty much in the game world all reviews are kinda trashy.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 19, 2017 23:29:39 GMT
Nope, that was the text of someone getting near to being triggered, not a question. Let's not play child here. I never agreed with this guys, always a radical at his core, but so much this. "better indicator than metacritic."A bunch of hugely biased Bioware "gamers" who are overly emotional, as seen with the ending fiasco, MEA's pre-release, and then the stupid Jaal hashtag. Yeah, sure, much reliable. I'm a radical because I disagree with you and the other "haters." Ok that's some sound logic here. Uh... I think he was referring to me. You're faaaar from radical - very much a Biodrone.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 20, 2017 0:01:06 GMT
This forum is a better indicator than metacritic? In what way? This place is nothing more than a small community of mostly hardcore Bioware fans. There is no other reason, except for loving atleast some of Bio's games or flat-out trolling, to be here. I therefore see atleast two negative points when it comes to using this community as an indicator for the playerbase at large. The userbase is too small and the people tend to be biased. No single poll or thread here can therefore be used as a definitive indicator of how the game is received. Atleast not without using other sources for cross-reference. Metacritic is also not the best place to look, I'm the first to admit that, but it has its strong-points which you seem to overlook. I'm not talking about the user scores by the way because they are utter garbage and anyone using them as a source just needs to get off the internet. My post is about the critic scores. Those too have the problem that they, in the end, are comprised of a small sample group. On the other hand, criticasting is those people's job, not a pasttime. They tend to be more professional in their arguments and statements than the people here. Critics rate and compare games on an almost daily basis so they have a better overview of how a game fits in comparison to other releases around it. In the end Metacritic is still a collection of opinions though so you can always be free to disagree, but when it comes to sources the amount of 'authority' one has to speak and write about a subject is extremely important, and this is clearly in metacritic's favor. Fans still have some authority because they can compare Andromeda with other Bioware games and are often quite knowledgeable on the consumer-end of gaming, but critics, on the other hand, are professionals. The pool of games they have played and reviewed is probably larger, they tend to have more background information and knowledge and they can structurally write on a professional level. They have, as long as their track record is solid, a greater authority than a Bioware fan like you and me. You might not like that, and that's fine, but it's just how sources work. So I can't help but feel that your statement that this forum is a better indicator than metacritic is quite problematic and I would like to hear your view on why it's the other way round. Still though, I would like to underscore that I personally never base my assumptions on one source alone. Best way to look at the reception of the game with the limited overview we have is to use as many sources as possible, studying their merits and problems and weigh them down. I can look here to see what a handful of longtime Bioware fans think of the game. I look at social media and my local surroundings to get a grasp of what a lot of casuals think of the game and I look at metacritic and individual review sites to see what professionals have to think. The more sources the better I say. Sorry, among the previewers and reviewers are enough that are simply not as professional about it as you claim; and they've let me down too many times... i.e. where upon playing the game myself, I had a completely different opinion on it than they did. Some of them churn out articles that are basically click-bait on a regular timetable and some of the panel discussions are laden with all sorts of just plain attention-seeking silliness. I'm of the view that the best way to get a halfway accurate assessment of the game is to watch people actually playing the game as they play the game, preferably blind... listening to their natural commentary as they encounter various elements of the game and then decide for oneself whether or not it's a game that interests you. Yeah, man, coming up with your own opinion is kinda obvious, right? Reviewers are what the name says, if you don't want to hear their subjective thoughts, at least get to know the consesus among them, and you will have the reception for Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 0:04:24 GMT
It's good that we have threads like this here. Otherwise this forum would be too boring to visit.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 20, 2017 0:05:15 GMT
I'm a radical because I disagree with you and the other "haters." Ok that's some sound logic here. Uh... I think he was referring to me. You're faaaar from radical - very much a Biodrone. God I hate that term. I'm a fan of the game not a drone. I've always acknowledged it has some issues. I'm just not a hater like you so I'm a drone. 😂
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Sorry, among the previewers and reviewers are enough that are simply not as professional about it as you claim; and they've let me down too many times... i.e. where upon playing the game myself, I had a completely different opinion on it than they did. Some of them churn out articles that are basically click-bait on a regular timetable and some of the panel discussions are laden with all sorts of just plain attention-seeking silliness. I'm of the view that the best way to get a halfway accurate assessment of the game is to watch people actually playing the game as they play the game, preferably blind... listening to their natural commentary as they encounter various elements of the game and then decide for oneself whether or not it's a game that interests you. Oh I know and acknowledge that there are a lot of rotten tomatoes in the bunch when it comes to reviewers and critics. That's why I also specifically added that their track record is of vital importance when defining the amount of authority they have. About reviewers letting you down... In the end it simply all comes down to opinions anyway. I've disagreed with reviewers many times but that's why you need to look out for reviewers with a similar taste and style. Oh, and you should also try to gain information from as much sources as possible. Looking at people playing the game is also a good way to assess if you like a game or not so I commend you for that and I agree that it is a good way to gather intelligence. The discussion between Lucas and Griffith was about Metacritic and this forum however and which one held more merit. Hence the exclusion of individual streamers from my post. When it comes down to that I still believe that professionals tend give a better indication of the reception of a game than a smaller fan forum. We are in the middle of it all after all whilst they can report on things from the outside and have generally access to more sources than we have. 'Tend' is the keyword here however, because it is ALWAYS important to check each individual critic or poster for his/her track record. No matter how professional one might seem to be. I'm looking at you IGN. Now, though, you're arguing beyond just believing the reviewer Metacritic score... you're into reading and researching individual reviews and reviewers. The same can be done here on the forums through archives. If people want to put in the groundwork in, they can tell which people are overtly positive or negative about the game. They can read the quality of the individual arguments and decide for themselves who they are inclined to agree with or disagree with, who they feel might have an agenda (overly negative or overly positive), who is trolling, etc. It's not like any of these posts are private. The thing with Metacritic and Andromeda that makes it obvious to me that the aggregate score for the game should be higher is that there is a full 3 point different between the reviewer scores and the user scores. Combine that with the fact that, for a time right a release, those user scores were even lower... and that translates to clear evidence of a metabombing... so, yeah, I throw out the user scores entirely. However, based on personal experience and by watching the reactions of people playing the game on YouTube, I still feel the reviewer scores are too low for this particular game. Part of the reason is that some of the scores are based on very short preview plays done prior to release of the game and others were clearly influenced by the opinions already being express by other reviewers and the public. The memes and the metabombing clearly had an impact on some of those reviewers. Furthermore, they (like any media) can also be influenced by their own employers and advertisers and, yes, sponsors. Again, I'm not out to convince anyone to like the game. If, based on your own experiences with it, you give it a low score; that's perfectly OK by me. I think it should, however, also be OK with anyone else that I give it a high score based on my own experiences with it... without questioning my sanity or the sanity of anyone else here.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2017 0:25:52 GMT
Oh I know and acknowledge that there are a lot of rotten tomatoes in the bunch when it comes to reviewers and critics. That's why I also specifically added that their track record is of vital importance when defining the amount of authority they have. About reviewers letting you down... In the end it simply all comes down to opinions anyway. I've disagreed with reviewers many times but that's why you need to look out for reviewers with a similar taste and style. Oh, and you should also try to gain information from as much sources as possible. Looking at people playing the game is also a good way to assess if you like a game or not so I commend you for that and I agree that it is a good way to gather intelligence. The discussion between Lucas and Griffith was about Metacritic and this forum however and which one held more merit. Hence the exclusion of individual streamers from my post. When it comes down to that I still believe that professionals tend give a better indication of the reception of a game than a smaller fan forum. We are in the middle of it all after all whilst they can report on things from the outside and have generally access to more sources than we have. 'Tend' is the keyword here however, because it is ALWAYS important to check each individual critic or poster for his/her track record. No matter how professional one might seem to be. I'm looking at you IGN. Now, though, you're arguing beyond just believing the reviewer Metacritic score... you're into reading and researching individual reviews and reviewers. The same can be done here on the forums through archives. If people want to put in the groundwork in, they can tell which people are overtly positive or negative about the game. They can read the quality of the individual arguments and decide for themselves who they are inclined to agree with or disagree with, who they feel might have an agenda (overly negative or overly positive), who is trolling, etc. It's not like any of these posts are private. The thing with Metacritic and Andromeda that makes it obvious to me that the aggregate score for the game should be higher is that there is a full 3 point different between the reviewer scores and the user scores. Combine that with the fact that, for a time right a release, those user scores were even lower... and that translates to clear evidence of a metabombing... so, yeah, I throw out the user scores entirely. However, based on personal experience and by watching the reactions of people playing the game on YouTube, I still feel the reviewer scores are too low for this particular game. Part of the reason is that some of the scores are based on very short preview plays done prior to release of the game and others were clearly influenced by the opinions already being express by other reviewers and the public. The memes and the metabombing clearly had an impact on some of those reviewers. Furthermore, they (like any media) can also be influenced by their own employers and advertisers and, yes, sponsors. Again, I'm not out to convince anyone to like the game. If, based on your own experiences with it, you give it a low score; that's perfectly OK by me. I think it should, however, also be OK with anyone else that I give it a high score based on my own experiences with it... without questioning my sanity or the sanity of anyone else here. Exactly. It became fashionable to dislike the game to drive sales...it was almost as if the game media was like 'see we can be hip to' rather then try and actually review the game.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 20, 2017 0:32:57 GMT
Now, though, you're arguing beyond just believing the reviewer Metacritic score... you're into reading and researching individual reviews and reviewers. The same can be done here on the forums through archives. If people want to put in the groundwork in, they can tell which people are overtly positive or negative about the game. They can read the quality of the individual arguments and decide for themselves who they are inclined to agree with or disagree with, who they feel might have an agenda (overly negative or overly positive), who is trolling, etc. It's not like any of these posts are private. The thing with Metacritic and Andromeda that makes it obvious to me that the aggregate score for the game should be higher is that there is a full 3 point different between the reviewer scores and the user scores. Combine that with the fact that, for a time right a release, those user scores were even lower... and that translates to clear evidence of a metabombing... so, yeah, I throw out the user scores entirely. However, based on personal experience and by watching the reactions of people playing the game on YouTube, I still feel the reviewer scores are too low for this particular game. Part of the reason is that some of the scores are based on very short preview plays done prior to release of the game and others were clearly influenced by the opinions already being express by other reviewers and the public. The memes and the metabombing clearly had an impact on some of those reviewers. Furthermore, they (like any media) can also be influenced by their own employers and advertisers and, yes, sponsors. Again, I'm not out to convince anyone to like the game. If, based on your own experiences with it, you give it a low score; that's perfectly OK by me. I think it should, however, also be OK with anyone else that I give it a high score based on my own experiences with it... without questioning my sanity or the sanity of anyone else here. Exactly. It became fashionable to dislike the game to drive sales...it was almost as if the game media was like 'see we can be hip to' rather then try and actually review the game. So either reviewers all colluded together... or maybe the game is just kinda bad compared to everything else out there?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2017 0:37:22 GMT
Exactly. It became fashionable to dislike the game to drive sales...it was almost as if the game media was like 'see we can be hip to' rather then try and actually review the game. So either reviewers all colluded together... or maybe the game is just kinda bad compared to everything else out there? No collusion necessary. Again the game media, like all parties involved, took a beating after the ending to ME 3, what better way to try and salvage their reputation then by going on a hunting expedition?
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Post by smilesja on Jun 20, 2017 0:46:25 GMT
So either reviewers all colluded together... or maybe the game is just kinda bad compared to everything else out there? No collusion necessary. Again the game media, like all parties involved, took a beating after the ending to ME 3, what better way to try and salvage their reputation then by going on a hunting expedition? I find it funny that when Inquistion got glowing, some people accused reviewers of collusion. Now that with ME: A the reviews all of a sudden fair and balanced? I'm not saying that there is corruption, I'm just making an observation.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 20, 2017 0:49:20 GMT
No collusion necessary. Again the game media, like all parties involved, took a beating after the ending to ME 3, what better way to try and salvage their reputation then by going on a hunting expedition? I find it funny that when Inquistion got glowing, some people accused reviewers of collusion. Now that with ME: A the reviews all of a sudden fair and balanced? I'm not saying that there is corruption, I'm just making an observation. Honestly the game media and I have been on a dubious ground for a while, but when you see memes done by people showing how 'bad' Andromeda is and then those same memes or very similar opinions? I smell a rat.
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Post by shepard on Jun 20, 2017 0:57:46 GMT
It's good that we have threads like this here. Otherwise this forum would be too boring to visit. This my first thread on this forum , and I didn't expect to have all these posts , and if this mean something it mean there so many fans for this game , so many who care for it even if they dislike it Me too , I really love me 1 , me2 and 3 , and that make me want to see what people think about it after patchs , because maybe I find some way to like the game and buy it ,and I think I will because it has mass effect name
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