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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 16:56:58 GMT
From where I am standing I'm appreciating the framework they delivered. But for one reason or another they failed at filling that framework. The only real improvement I notice is the combat. But that's also what least interests me about the game. If the Kotaku article is right and I have no reason to doubt it, they managed to put out a solid game against all odds. Kudos to them for doing that. But in my opinion it doesn't rise up to previous titles. It's a small site, so I am pretty positive we've been through it already, my taking a deep breath of relief upon playing Andromeda after Inquisition, you -feeling the exact opposite. That's art for you. But leaving aside the subjective, I would welcome both the same framework and the degree of filling it in any game. There are parts I'd personally won't mind losing, but I know they are dear to others, so if that's where they would stay, that's good for me. Personally, I think that the solid build did not receive enough credit, but perhaps that's too "professional" way to look at it, and most folks put emphasis on the emotional impact of the game. That's what happened for me with MEA. After DAI and the emotional ride I went on through it, that uncertain ending with the heavy choices, my Inquisitor's fate, it was so intense. MEA was filled with fresh air and a happy ending. I needed that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 16:59:03 GMT
It's a small site, so I am pretty positive we've been through it already, my taking a deep breath of relief upon playing Andromeda after Inquisition, you -feeling the exact opposite. That's art for you. But leaving aside the subjective, I would welcome both the same framework and the degree of filling it in any game. There are parts I'd personally won't mind losing, but I know they are dear to others, so if that's where they would stay, that's good for me. Personally, I think that the solid build did not receive enough credit, but perhaps that's too "professional" way to look at it, and most folks put emphasis on the emotional impact of the game. That's what happened for me with MEA. After DAI and the emotional ride I went on through it, that uncertain ending with the heavy choices, my Inquisitor's fate, it was so intense. MEA was filled with fresh air and a happy ending I needed that. Heh, I would describe my journey through Inquisition as being royally bored, then royally pissed. In Andromeda I was royally entertained, and that's what I essentially want from a video game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 17:00:57 GMT
That's what happened for me with MEA. After DAI and the emotional ride I went on through it, that uncertain ending with the heavy choices, my Inquisitor's fate, it was so intense. MEA was filled with fresh air and a happy ending I needed that. Heh, I would describe my journey through Inquisition as being royally bored, then royally pissed. In Andromeda I was royally entertained, and that's what I essentially want from a video game. Once I got invested in Solas, I was screwed lol made romancing Jaal gave me a PTSD feeling since he was the only main plot romance in the game, and those hardly end well, so I was glad it turned out alright. Now I have to prep for Solas again.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 17:09:52 GMT
Heh, I would describe my journey through Inquisition as being royally bored, then royally pissed. In Andromeda I was royally entertained, and that's what I essentially want from a video game. Once I got invested in Solas, I was screwed lol made romancing Jaal gave me a PTSD feeling since he was the only main plot romance in the game, and those hardly end well, so I was glad it turned out alright. Now I have to prep for Solas again. I had a laughing fit when Solas borrowed his head into my Qunari character's chest, with the smooching sounds on the background (the modders should have had sense to FTB out the ani) rerolled & plowed through the game kissing Dorian every time I could not take it any longer to the eventual ending. Overall, ended up with the second best protagonist for the sake of having a romance I like, in a game that I did not care about. It does not mean I am quitting Bio FOREVAR or swearing off playing DA4. 'Cause why? It could be better, could be worse. They make, I play. That's how we roll.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 19, 2017 18:03:23 GMT
Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 19, 2017 18:24:33 GMT
Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score? I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 19, 2017 18:37:06 GMT
Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score? I'm more surprised so many people are giving it a 6. People are coming around.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 19, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score? I'm more surprised so many people are giving it a 6. People are coming around. Yeah no. Figures you'd turn a positive into a negative.
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Post by dillk on Jun 19, 2017 18:44:38 GMT
...... As for Witcher3 I feel like it's the opposite of MEA, it has terrible combat but everything else is pretty good or great. There's a bizarre blind over hype around this game as if it's the perfect RPG or almost. But no it isn't. Could be for you, but hardly for a player more demanding. On many aspects some past RPG did quite better. The only four obvious elements are: - The overall writing quality has a finesse and efficiency level that few RPG can beat, TW1 does but very few other RPG. But this doesn't even include the TW3 main plot that is quite questionable. - The world mini living, with mini events, mini scheduling, abundant use of NPC, a few more, is at a quite high level. - The graphic pure quality and detail level. Not that much above AAA games but it is much above for AAA RPG. - The card mini game, but it's not that well merged in the game. It's a filler and a great mini game and an ok collecting activity, not much else and not that major for the RPG. But it cumulates weak aspects: - The world isn't fun to freely explore, for example unlike games as Morrowind, Skyrim and many areas of DAI. - The world is a very lame arena like or almost. Games as DAI or even MEA at a lesser degree, are hugely better, another more classic example for connoisseurs is Gothic 2. - The game is weak on secondary activities, stealing, fishing, hunting, spying, sneaking, many more. Best past examples are certainly some of Bethesda releases, but some other did well too in their way, at least much better than TW3. This includes DAI, DOS, more. - The combats are weak, they are really dev weak on action gameplay design, not awful, but far from pro as Bioware and many other. What to say many RPG did much better, ME2&3, MEA, DAO, even DA2, DAI not as bad than TW3, Gothic 1&2, more. - The controls design, with mouse and keyboards, are a collection of absurdities, despite many games in past shown how do it well. - The witcher sense is an awful gameplay mechanism, a lot of gameplay heaviness to implement some strict hand guiding, boring. - There's no good tricks solving, no good puzzling design, no good exploration and progression trick design. Obviously Divinity Original Sin is a lot better on all those aspects, but in fact even games as DAO and DAI do quite better. - You can say all your love about horses, it won't change that horse brings a burden in RPG by adding pointless heaviness in exploration, and explore in deep, in comparison of walking exploration. Beside adding an attracting feature the only positive is allow manage wide big areas with not too many obstacles so more arena like. Other than that it cumulates negative aspects. I could add more, but the point is stop this absurd idea that TW3 is a perfect or best RPG for anything but combats. NO.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 19, 2017 18:45:02 GMT
Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score? I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't. Well, to be fair, your original post came across as a bit loaded - at best it wasn't clear what you were saying. And griffith was just asking you a question.
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Surprised that the majority is giving it a good score? I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't. I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 19, 2017 18:51:58 GMT
I wasn't talking about that. I like the game, you hothead. But it's reception was certainly deserved. And really, you think this forum is actually a good meter? It certainly isn't. I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic. Haha - now that's funny. Any credibility you had is gooonnnneee.
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I've always been calm and in the hothead? That's funny. Also this forum is a better indicator than metacritic. Haha - now that's funny. Any credibility you had is gooonnnneee. Oh I'm so upset you kill me.😂🤦♂️
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2017 18:55:33 GMT
Last time i checked 70+ wasn't a failure. And especially given the huge hurdles this game faced if i were bw I'd be cracking open the champagne at just how well it did. Problem with that is 2 things: 1) Mass Effect (the brand) is not 70+ but rather 80+ on a bad day. 70+ is not what was expected and please do not act like it was. 2) EA will most likely see the 70ish average below the standard which it is for a ME game. If it was 80ish we would be hearing teases about DLC from the devs along with a soft conformation from Bioware/EA that MEA2 is in the works and more MEA media coming such as more novels and perhaps a comic series. NONE of that has happened and we all know the future of MEA or ME as a whole is really close to being dead. 70ish score isnt bad, but for a brand such as Mass Effect from a developer such as Bioware.....70ish isnt something to celebrate. no we wouldn't either. Remember that we basically heard nothing about MEA until the game was within weeks of being out. We are not talking some little dlc here but the entire game. So why would bioware suddenly start teasing and releasing info about dlc mobths in advance (since i believe you were saying we were still months out) when they did not do the courtesy for the main game. Especially when bioware has a history of only announcing dlc only a week or two before they come out. And lets face it ME was already damaged goods. I will always remember that if this is MEs end that it was ME 3 which killed the franchise. And besides it's already semi confirmed we are getting dlc. I highly doubt we would've gotten the infamous romance patch if they weren't. Whether they release it is anyones guess but they are working on it.
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Post by dillk on Jun 19, 2017 19:00:58 GMT
I gave it a 8.5/10 after my first PT aknowledging that I was too positive, and that its terrible technical performance probably merited a lower score. Now that most of the patching has been done, I feel ME:A finally deserves that score. To each their own, the point is the glitches and I include some terrible facial animations, problems with spawning, many more, was all just details. Main female character was at least some weird hero with some handicap, but also someone quite expressive and out of social conventions. From the glitch I made a strength, but common, it's just details. The only single glitch and design choices that polluted a lot my first play, was the awful bad and unclear management of "no save". And it didn't help that I was enjoying combats only at a difficulty where I had pain to almost never die. But a second play changed the figure, and 8.5 looks fair and solid, when at my first play it would be more 7.5 or 8. But remove the glitches, I don't care, it must be done, but it can't change a rate I could give. For the controversy, ME series point of view: - ME3 9/10 - ME2 8.7/10 - MEA 8/5/10 - ME1 7.5/10
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 19, 2017 19:05:20 GMT
...... As for Witcher3 I feel like it's the opposite of MEA, it has terrible combat but everything else is pretty good or great. There's a bizarre blind over hype around this game as if it's the perfect RPG or almost. But no it isn't. Could be for you, but hardly for a player more demanding. On many aspects some past RPG did quite better. The only four obvious elements are: - The overall writing quality has a finesse and efficiency level that few RPG can beat, TW1 does but very few other RPG. But this doesn't even include the TW3 main plot that is quite questionable. - The world mini living, with mini events, mini scheduling, abundant use of NPC, a few more, is at a quite high level. - The graphic pure quality and detail level. Not that much above AAA games but it is much above for AAA RPG. - The card mini game, but it's not that well merged in the game. It's a filler and a great mini game and an ok collecting activity, not much else and not that major for the RPG. But it cumulates weak aspects: - The world isn't fun to freely explore, for example unlike games as Morrowind, Skyrim and many areas of DAI. - The world is a very lame arena like or almost. Games as DAI or even MEA at a lesser degree, are hugely better, another more classic example for connoisseurs is Gothic 2. - The game is weak on secondary activities, stealing, fishing, hunting, spying, sneaking, many more. Best past examples are certainly some of Bethesda releases, but some other did well too in their way, at least much better than TW3. This includes DAI, DOS, more. - The combats are weak, they are really dev weak on action gameplay design, not awful, but far from pro as Bioware and many other. What to say many RPG did much better, ME2&3, MEA, DAO, even DA2, DAI not as bad than TW3, Gothic 1&2, more. - The controls design, with mouse and keyboards, are a collection of absurdities, despite many games in past shown how do it well. - The witcher sense is an awful gameplay mechanism, a lot of gameplay heaviness to implement some strict hand guiding, boring. - There's no good tricks solving, no good puzzling design, no good exploration and progression trick design. Obviously Divinity Original Sin is a lot better on all those aspects, but in fact even games as DAO and DAI do quite better. - You can say all your love about horses, it won't change that horse brings a burden in RPG by adding pointless heaviness in exploration, and explore in deep, in comparison of walking exploration. Beside adding an attracting feature the only positive is allow manage wide big areas with not too many obstacles so more arena like. Other than that it cumulates negative aspects. I could add more, but the point is stop this absurd idea that TW3 is a perfect or best RPG for anything but combats. NO. I already said it's a game but overrated. Can I just like the game more than MEA without someone telling me Witcher isn't perfect?
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Post by jaegerbane on Jun 19, 2017 19:05:55 GMT
For the controversy, ME series point of view: - ME3 9/10 - ME2 8.7/10 - MEA 8/5/10 - ME1 7.5/10 FWIW, swap the ME1 and MEA scores around and you've pretty much got my view of the series.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 19, 2017 19:07:50 GMT
There's a bizarre blind over hype around this game as if it's the perfect RPG or almost. But no it isn't. Could be for you, but hardly for a player more demanding. On many aspects some past RPG did quite better. The only four obvious elements are: - The overall writing quality has a finesse and efficiency level that few RPG can beat, TW1 does but very few other RPG. But this doesn't even include the TW3 main plot that is quite questionable. - The world mini living, with mini events, mini scheduling, abundant use of NPC, a few more, is at a quite high level. - The graphic pure quality and detail level. Not that much above AAA games but it is much above for AAA RPG. - The card mini game, but it's not that well merged in the game. It's a filler and a great mini game and an ok collecting activity, not much else and not that major for the RPG. But it cumulates weak aspects: - The world isn't fun to freely explore, for example unlike games as Morrowind, Skyrim and many areas of DAI. - The world is a very lame arena like or almost. Games as DAI or even MEA at a lesser degree, are hugely better, another more classic example for connoisseurs is Gothic 2. - The game is weak on secondary activities, stealing, fishing, hunting, spying, sneaking, many more. Best past examples are certainly some of Bethesda releases, but some other did well too in their way, at least much better than TW3. This includes DAI, DOS, more. - The combats are weak, they are really dev weak on action gameplay design, not awful, but far from pro as Bioware and many other. What to say many RPG did much better, ME2&3, MEA, DAO, even DA2, DAI not as bad than TW3, Gothic 1&2, more. - The controls design, with mouse and keyboards, are a collection of absurdities, despite many games in past shown how do it well. - The witcher sense is an awful gameplay mechanism, a lot of gameplay heaviness to implement some strict hand guiding, boring. - There's no good tricks solving, no good puzzling design, no good exploration and progression trick design. Obviously Divinity Original Sin is a lot better on all those aspects, but in fact even games as DAO and DAI do quite better. - You can say all your love about horses, it won't change that horse brings a burden in RPG by adding pointless heaviness in exploration, and explore in deep, in comparison of walking exploration. Beside adding an attracting feature the only positive is allow manage wide big areas with not too many obstacles so more arena like. Other than that it cumulates negative aspects. I could add more, but the point is stop this absurd idea that TW3 is a perfect or best RPG for anything but combats. NO. I already said it's a game but overrated. Can I just like the game more than MEA without someone telling me Witcher isn't perfect? probably impossible since no game is perfect.
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Post by bshep on Jun 19, 2017 19:43:18 GMT
I would have give it a 8 after my first playthrough, now i say it deserve a 8.5.
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Post by kumazan on Jun 19, 2017 19:43:27 GMT
For the controversy, ME series point of view: - ME3 9/10 - ME2 8.7/10 - MEA 8/5/10 - ME1 7.5/10 FWIW, swap the ME1 and MEA scores around and you've pretty much got my view of the series. For me it'd take a swap of ME3 and ME1, and a substraction of a further 0.5-1 out of ME3's score.
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Post by abaris on Jun 19, 2017 19:44:35 GMT
probably impossible since no game is perfect. The level of perfection is down to individual tastes, obviously. Outside of technical issues and glitches. I never got into the Witcher. I have the first one lying around somewhere, since I got it on sale. I hated Geralt which doesn't make for a good start, so I dropped the game and decided never again to play a game with a fixed lead. So there's that. That game can be as good as it likes without me being interested. With Andromeda it was the story, the characters and the lead not drawing me in the same way as previous Bioware games did. I found myself playing for an hour, just to save and quit before picking it up again the next day. I finished it within a month or so, tried my hand on NG+ and got bored again. So my score is obviously lower than what other people believe this game should get.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 19, 2017 19:51:28 GMT
I already said it's a game but overrated. Can I just like the game more than MEA without someone telling me Witcher isn't perfect? probably impossible since no game is perfect. And I don't think any game is.
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Post by warrior on Jun 19, 2017 19:53:18 GMT
1)You can't just RP as a Renegade or at least a less symphatetic person. The Ryders are simply too polite and diplomatic IMO. I had fun with Renegade Shepard and would have loved more decision like that. I want a confrontational/sarcastic tone option. I want to be able to be more renegade but I think Ryder needs the opportunity to express negative emotions, period. The convo after Liam's post-loyalty mission was the only time when she really showed emotion beyond happy or neutral or defiant, at least in my memory. She rarely got upset even when things were really sucking for her/her family/the mission.
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I found the F!Ryder to be too girly, shy and saccharine, but M!Ryder was my kind of a kid about the Galaxy. Sure, would not have minded him being more like Bounty Hunter in SWTOR, and hitting annoying people in the face, but I don't mind his attitude and lip either.
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