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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 11:56:19 GMT
not really... I recognize such thoughts are biased silly and wrong... Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Hell even if their opinion is driven by an agenda that's not exactly wrong and they are still entitled to it. Oh I get it. It is biased silly and wrong because YOU just happen to have a really favorable view of MEA and whenever someone comes that has an exact opposite opinion than you of the game, instead of just accepting it as their opinion and that perhaps the game isn't enjoyed by everyone, you create a mental strawman that is an "agenda". That way you can goto sleep at night knowing that all the hate for MEA comes from people wanting to take down Bioware or the ME brand rather than people genuinely not really fond of the game which is very possible. Some people may have played Breath of Wild and Horizon which is critically praised by a majority and then when they pop in MEA, to them the quality drops dramatically and I am not just talking about animations but things like the way the open world was executed, side missions, narrative etc. All trolls hate MEA.......but not all MEA haters are trolls with an agenda. True... but some have indicated quite clearly that they do have an agenda and others have patterns of posting that can certainly cause a person to believe they may have an agenda (become suspicious of a bias). Every poster ranking this game has a bias either in favor or not in favor of this game and ranking is merely a numerical way to express that bias... but that doesn't magically make any of the rankings any less subjective than any others.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 19, 2017 12:10:27 GMT
It's a 7 for me. A good game that had a lot of potential. For me, the writing was inconsistent and the VA suffered from polish going into the sound booth. If the game had been released without the trainload of bugs and glitches that essentially made the PS4 version broken, it would've been or should've been an easy 8 or a little higher. This is what EA has essentially taught the customer base:
1. Don't preorder. EA wants you to preorder to help pad the numbers coming in, but BioWare has never made a deadline since it's acquisition. It's been made progressively worse under the last two Frostbite titles. It took Inquisition FIVE months to get all the same controls as consoles along with other major issues (no walking, mouse limited to two buttons, wonky camera control, etc.)
2. Expect Day One DLC. It happened once with Mass Effect 3 and the splicing out of characters from the story. It's petty, cheap and unimaginative. Only an EA suit would push for something like this.
3. Expect bugs/glitch repairs to last six months before resembling a polished state. I don't give a damn if that's a standard industry practice. It's horrible and only reinforces #1.
4. EA HQ Answers only works if another game owner with technical ability answers the question. Otherwise, it's unresolved for a long time or never fixed.
5. BioWare 2.0 continues to make stories that NEED DLC to complete it. It started with Mass Effect 2 and continues through every title to Andromeda. If you can't close out the story in the vanilla game, you're doing it wrong in my opinion.
This is coming from a BioWare game junkie. All of these things can be done away with the next title, but EA will find a way to ruin Anthem with more shakedown practices. I just know it. I see it happening.
Anyway, yes, get the game. If you can hold off, get the game complete edition with all the DLC (I expect at least one) and patching. It will be cheaper and cost you less time looking for answers to address a bug.
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Post by henkiedepost on Jun 19, 2017 12:20:48 GMT
The author of The Witcher is just salty, because he has sold the rights for the game franchise for an not too high amount of money. It looked a good bet at that time. CDPR had originally offered him a percentage of the sales from the game, but he declined that and asked a fixed sum. If he had chosen that sales percentage, he would have a multitude of the sum that was payed to him. So - He turned grumpy on that. Also - his books got a great sale impulse driven by the popularity of TW3. He cannot stand that, and claims the game sold that good because the popularity of his books. When asked for that for the n'th time he got salty and said some unpleasant things. This all has nothing at all to do with the development studio (CDPR), and saying the TW3 game is rotten because of that frustrated author is completely and utterly ridiculous (the same can be said about that infantile yelling about that presumed SJW stuff in ME:A). Anyway - Back to topic. My score for ME:A is still "very good". I don't like that number score, because an 8 in America seems to be lower than a 8 in Europe. As far as I seem to understand a 8 in America means "average", While 6 to 7 means "average" in Europe. So I would give the game an 8.5 in the European scale, what means "above merely good, but below excellent". my god for once i agree with the Europeans. Honestly we have people on this forum (you know who are) who are treating this game like some massive failure...pointing to review scores and metacritic. Last time i checked 70+ wasn't a failure. And especially given the huge hurdles this game faced if i were bw I'd be cracking open the champagne at just how well it did. I'm sorry but what? Don't get me wrong, I want this game to succeed as much as you do but how can you honestly say that Bioware should open a bottle of champagne because Andromeda got a 72 (PC rating) on Metacritic? First of all, Metacritic lists both European and American ratings. If what Jclosed says about the general differences between both continents in rating entertainment products is true it means the 72 Andromeda received isn't high or good at all. American ratings should, when American criticasters thought Andromeda was a good game, have upped the ratings more to the 80/85 side but that apparently didn't happen. Apart from that there is also the fact that we're dealing with the Mass Effect Brand here, which can be regarded as one of the flagship brands (next to Dragon Age) of Bioware. Regardless of what the 72 rating actually means, how can it not be dissapointing that a mainline Mass Effect game received it? If I were Bioware I would be aiming for 80 atleast but even then I would be dissapointed. Mass Effect 2 is regarded as one of the best games of all time whereas Andromeda might not even be nominated for the Game of the Year award if the industry pumps out a few other solid titles. Nothing to be proud of in that department. I also don't think that 'the huge hurdles this game faced' is a solid argument. Those hurdles came from none other than Bioware and EA themselves so they are the only ones to blame. Nothing else made the development as difficult as it was except the decisions of key policymakers in both companies. The only ones who 'might' be happy with a 72 would be the lower-end developers because they probably saw it coming but if I were a director I would resign my position with a rating like this. Being happy with a 72 seems like 'aiming for mediocrity'. If that's what's good enough for you I respect that. But it most certainly doesn't make me happy, and if Bioware really wants to be top dog in the gaming world, it shouldn't make them happy as well. So is this game a disaster or massive failure? No. Are the ratings dissapointing? I'd argue that it's difficult to say otherwise. The only exception I can think of is when you're someone who's happy with a 6 for a subject for which you normally get a 9. Because that's how Andromeda relates to the other ME games when it comes to ratings. Apart from what the critics say, you are, of course, free to give your own, higher, rating to this game. Opinions are, in the end, personal after all. So there's nothing wrong with that. I just can't really believe that Bioware can be truly happy with how everything transpired the last few months.
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Post by abaris on Jun 19, 2017 12:30:04 GMT
Mass Effect 2 is regarded as one of the best games of all time whereas Andromeda might not even be nominated for the Game of the Year award if the industry pumps out a few other solid titles. I don't know what the criteria for game of the year is, but I would be highly surprised and disappointed if this came anywhere close. Not because it's a bad game, but because it would show that the industry is already so far down the mainstream drain that they aren't able to pump something out that makes you go wow. It's by far the blandest Bioware title I ever played. It's fun to play, since the gameplay is enjoyable and an improvement over previous titles. But story, characters and lead simply can't keep up with the pace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 12:52:58 GMT
My score won't change because the writing can't be patched. My biggest issue with this game is it's incosistent tone, dull characters and lack of RP options. If the Kotaku Article is to be believed they only spent around 2 years writing for Andromeda, and that would explain a lot. Not enough time and resources to do a second pass and flesh out the setting and characters more. Which is a shame, because there is huge potential, but it will remain untapped.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 19, 2017 14:33:57 GMT
Oh I get it. It is biased silly and wrong because YOU just happen to have a really favorable view of MEA and whenever someone comes that has an exact opposite opinion than you of the game, instead of just accepting it as their opinion and that perhaps the game isn't enjoyed by everyone, you create a mental strawman that is an "agenda". That way you can goto sleep at night knowing that all the hate for MEA comes from people wanting to take down Bioware or the ME brand rather than people genuinely not really fond of the game which is very possible. Some people may have played Breath of Wild and Horizon which is critically praised by a majority and then when they pop in MEA, to them the quality drops dramatically and I am not just talking about animations but things like the way the open world was executed, side missions, narrative etc. All trolls hate MEA.......but not all MEA haters are trolls with an agenda. True... but some have indicated quite clearly that they do have an agenda and others have patterns of posting that can certainly cause a person to believe they may have an agenda (become suspicious of a bias). Every poster ranking this game has a bias either in favor or not in favor of this game and ranking is merely a numerical way to express that bias... but that doesn't magically make any of the rankings any less subjective than any others. Well with that logic, then I can say that people who seem to always support/defend the game ALSO has an agenda. If the haters have an agenda to take down ME/Bioware then the "supporters" has an agenda to defend MEA and ensure that all is well and there will be DLC and there will be a MEA2. It goes both ways then.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 19, 2017 14:38:51 GMT
my god for once i agree with the Europeans. Honestly we have people on this forum (you know who are) who are treating this game like some massive failure...pointing to review scores and metacritic. Last time i checked 70+ wasn't a failure. And especially given the huge hurdles this game faced if i were bw I'd be cracking open the champagne at just how well it did. I'm sorry but what? Don't get me wrong, I want this game to succeed as much as you do but how can you honestly say that Bioware should open a bottle of champagne because Andromeda got a 72 (PC rating) on Metacritic? First of all, Metacritic lists both European and American ratings. If what Jclosed says about the general differences between both continents in rating entertainment products is true it means the 72 Andromeda received isn't high or good at all. American ratings should, when American criticasters thought Andromeda was a good game, have upped the ratings more to the 80/85 side but that apparently didn't happen. Apart from that there is also the fact that we're dealing with the Mass Effect Brand here, which can be regarded as one of the flagship brands (next to Dragon Age) of Bioware. Regardless of what the 72 rating actually means, how can it not be dissapointing that a mainline Mass Effect game received it? If I were Bioware I would be aiming for 80 atleast but even then I would be dissapointed. Mass Effect 2 is regarded as one of the best games of all time whereas Andromeda might not even be nominated for the Game of the Year award if the industry pumps out a few other solid titles. Nothing to be proud of in that department. I also don't think that 'the huge hurdles this game faced' is a solid argument. Those hurdles came from none other than Bioware and EA themselves so they are the only ones to blame. Nothing else made the development as difficult as it was except the decisions of key policymakers in both companies. The only ones who 'might' be happy with a 72 would be the lower-end developers because they probably saw it coming but if I were a director I would resign my position with a rating like this. Being happy with a 72 seems like 'aiming for mediocrity'. If that's what's good enough for you I respect that. But it most certainly doesn't make me happy, and if Bioware really wants to be top dog in the gaming world, it shouldn't make them happy as well. So is this game a disaster or massive failure? No. Are the ratings dissapointing? I'd argue that it's difficult to say otherwise. The only exception I can think of is when you're someone who's happy with a 6 for a subject for which you normally get a 9. Because that's how Andromeda relates to the other ME games when it comes to ratings. Apart from what the critics say, you are, of course, free to give your own, higher, rating to this game. Opinions are, in the end, personal after all. So there's nothing wrong with that. I just can't really believe that Bioware can be truly happy with how everything transpired the last few months. Wow, very well said!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 14:42:40 GMT
Haha seeing once again all the users who hate on MEA in this thread is making me smh, since all they do is hate on it in every thread that might have good things to say about the game. I see trolls more than disgruntled fans and can't take them seriously anymore. Basically if the exact same people didn't make negative threads about MEA, and the exact same people didn't trash it in every thread they post in, I would believe they are honest. However they stopped being believable when they went overboard with their dislike of the game and it's almost a sad obsession now for them to hound anyone who likes it. I'm not even going to talk to them anymore. Trolls don't understand human language well, so logic fails them when it's used against them.
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Post by abaris on Jun 19, 2017 14:52:59 GMT
True... but some have indicated quite clearly that they do have an agenda and others have patterns of posting that can certainly cause a person to believe they may have an agenda (become suspicious of a bias). Every poster ranking this game has a bias either in favor or not in favor of this game and ranking is merely a numerical way to express that bias... but that doesn't magically make any of the rankings any less subjective than any others. Isn't that a bit of drama? What's the incentive? Why should anyone hating this game, which a select few do, I give you that, have an agenda? What's supposed to be in it for them other than trolling. Which can also be said for the hear no evil, see no evil defenders, who seem to think this is the gamers gods gift to humanity. There also seems to be a mixup between people being critical over how this game turned out to be and outright haters. At least in some people's minds. Being critical is about pointing out the obvious design flaws, which isn't about the patched out technical issues. The weak storytelling, the dull characters, the rather dull lead. As opposed not to some fancy witcher or Zelda fanboyism, but as opposed to almost every previous Bioware title. Even DAII, which only had about 1 year of development time, comes out on top of what Andromeda presents in these departments. I do understand that people being more interested in the hugely improved gameplay elements or multiplayer would rate this game higher than others playing Bioware games just for the SP experience, their story, character development and interaction.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jun 19, 2017 15:00:18 GMT
For me it's 7,5/10 and it could become a solid 8 with a couple of good DLC, a score that in my case is more than enough to justify the money and the hours that I invested in it. I spent 80 hours on Beyond Divinity and 150 hours in Two Worlds 1-2, how could I ever consider wasted the time that I spent on Andromeda? I just wish that I could shut off most of the open world content and the endless backtracking among planets which in my case was what lowered its score. But the main story imho is fine, not astonishing perhaps, but not half bad. The same goes for the companions: maybe they are not the best bunch of characters ever written but I think they are still better than the best companions that any other company can actually write. Which is also not difficult considering that most of the other developers don't even try.
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Post by Realguile on Jun 19, 2017 15:20:23 GMT
I gave it a solid 7. I had it at 6 before but they get a point for effort and the cluster bomb of dev hell they went through to get it to a 6 deserves kudos.
Now the series can fade away/die for a decade or so while we play better games and wait for a full reboot of the franchise.
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Post by EllanyaWindkeeper on Jun 19, 2017 15:28:05 GMT
9/10. I've got great enjoy even without any patches, and now my score still the same.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 19, 2017 15:44:23 GMT
Haven't played with the latest patch (1.08). They were intentionally vague about some stuff that made me very interested in the game. Then they failed to deliver on the vague promises. I don't hate this game by any means but I have no passion for it. This is just commentary. I didn't vote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 15:46:41 GMT
True... but some have indicated quite clearly that they do have an agenda and others have patterns of posting that can certainly cause a person to believe they may have an agenda (become suspicious of a bias). Every poster ranking this game has a bias either in favor or not in favor of this game and ranking is merely a numerical way to express that bias... but that doesn't magically make any of the rankings any less subjective than any others. Isn't that a bit of drama? What's the incentive? Why should anyone hating this game, which a select few do, I give you that, have an agenda? What's supposed to be in it for them other than trolling. Which can also be said for the hear no evil, see no evil defenders, who seem to think this is the gamers gods gift to humanity. There also seems to be a mixup between people being critical over how this game turned out to be and outright haters. At least in some people's minds. Being critical is about pointing out the obvious design flaws, which isn't about the patched out technical issues. The weak storytelling, the dull characters, the rather dull lead. As opposed not to some fancy witcher or Zelda fanboyism, but as opposed to almost every previous Bioware title. Even DAII, which only had about 1 year of development time, comes out on top of what Andromeda presents in these departments. I do understand that people being more interested in the hugely improved gameplay elements or multiplayer would rate this game higher than others playing Bioware games just for the SP experience, their story, character development and interaction. As I said, some have stated quite clearly that they do have an agenda... a long standing hate on for Bioware. Who am I to argue with them. When they've stated their agenda, I do consider that agenda when I consider their opinions related to the game. It discredits them to some degree. If you want to give them equal weight as anyone else, that's your choice. I quite frankly don't care what your opinion of my opinion is. Metacritic was metabombed in the early going... nothing undoes that and the effect is that the metacritic score is lower than it would have been had that metabombing (by people with an agenda) not occurred. Therefore, that source of data, IMO, is tainted. Also, IMO, starting numerous threads here to beleagure a point (as opposed to just adding posts to a thread one has started previously) indicates an agenda; and so I don't consider the opinions of those individuals as highly as others who don't engage in that sort of behavior. I rate the game based on my own experience and my own liking the game as I experienced it (which was starting after the 1.06 patch). What goes into that opinion of my own is my interest in the story (including in the genre of story it is), my interest in the chracters in the story, how well the game runs and looks on my system, how much I'm enjoying the puzzles and sidequests in the game, how much I'm enjoying the combat in the game and comparing to my personal experiences with other games. Your experiences may be different. Your rating may be different... and I don't consider your rating when generating my own. I'm not insane and resent having my sanity questioned by anyone based merely on how I rate a game.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 19, 2017 16:00:06 GMT
For me it's 7,5/10 and it could become a solid 8 with a couple of good DLC, a score that in my case is more than enough to justify the money and the hours that I invested in it. I spent 80 hours on Beyond Divinity and 150 hours in Two Worlds 1-2, how could I ever consider wasted the time that I spent on Andromeda? I just wish that I could shut off most of the open world content and the endless backtracking among planets which in my case was what lowered its score. But the main story imho is fine, not astonishing perhaps, but not half bad. The same goes for the companions: maybe they are not the best bunch of characters ever written but I think they are still better than the best companions that any other company can actually write. Which is also not difficult considering that most of the other developers don't even try. damn straight.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 19, 2017 16:01:24 GMT
I gave it a solid 7. I had it at 6 before but they get a point for effort and the cluster bomb of dev hell they went through to get it to a 6 deserves kudos.Now the series can fade away/die for a decade or so while we play better games and wait for a full reboot of the franchise. I concur.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 16:06:06 GMT
True... but some have indicated quite clearly that they do have an agenda and others have patterns of posting that can certainly cause a person to believe they may have an agenda (become suspicious of a bias). Every poster ranking this game has a bias either in favor or not in favor of this game and ranking is merely a numerical way to express that bias... but that doesn't magically make any of the rankings any less subjective than any others. Isn't that a bit of drama? What's the incentive? Why should anyone hating this game, which a select few do, I give you that, have an agenda? What's supposed to be in it for them other than trolling. Which can also be said for the hear no evil, see no evil defenders, who seem to think this is the gamers gods gift to humanity. There also seems to be a mixup between people being critical over how this game turned out to be and outright haters. At least in some people's minds. Being critical is about pointing out the obvious design flaws, which isn't about the patched out technical issues. The weak storytelling, the dull characters, the rather dull lead. As opposed not to some fancy witcher or Zelda fanboyism, but as opposed to almost every previous Bioware title. Even DAII, which only had about 1 year of development time, comes out on top of what Andromeda presents in these departments. I do understand that people being more interested in the hugely improved gameplay elements or multiplayer would rate this game higher than others playing Bioware games just for the SP experience, their story, character development and interaction. Well, the thing is MEA is structurally imo more sound than previous titles doing a better balance of all content than any of the Bio titles since JE. Between the main story, planetary story, companion stories, secondary story (vaults and arks) and pc's personal story all receiving similar amount of attention, AND having exploration/crafting aspect also covered for busybodies, Andromeda is structurally nearly perfect. While you might not like Ryder or the six companions, they have far more content and are way more reactive to the events of the game, each-other and environment. That alone is worth emulating even if (at least some of) the companions themselves should probably be of the larger than life type, rather than the all steady, all normal bunch in Andromeda. So, the reason I give Andromeda 9 is because it literally managed to not miss anything and I loved the lighthearted approach. I understand that it's tone did not strike the cord with others, and I understand that the side-quests content could be more upscale with movement of characters, wether patterns and visible world changes due to PCs actions. So, I see the other folks giving it 6-8, and judge it pretty fair based on how important the world's environment is to people, and what tone of narrative they prefer. i also see no point of arguing with anyone who outright disliked the game, because it's not like my really liking it is going to get them to see the light. but overall, I respect and admire the balance of elements in Andromeda. However, I know that lopsided games trigger way stronger emotional response, like w3, ME2 and DA2. So, I don't know if balance is the way to go. i don't think there is a recipe for a successful game. What I see in Montreal's work is that they tried very, very hard to find it. It's a great pity that they have failed. Because of that balance, because of that keeping everything important, and not just cutting it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 16:14:04 GMT
My vote remained a 7.5 out of 10. Enjoyable and fair but there are bugs and unpolished things here and there. Nothing major but certainly it doesn't feel this game had the polishing that should deserve. Storywise certain part were underwhelming turian ark mission while others were quite good. The squad was good and fun at times, especially Drack, Peebee, Cora and Vetra. Jaal was ok, Liam was terrible. I'm willing to give them a second game to grow more on me. My two main issues with this game excluding the lack of polishing and certain quests are fundamentally two. 1)You can't just RP as a Renegade or at least a less symphatetic person. The Ryders are simply too polite and diplomatic IMO. I had fun with Renegade Shepard and would have loved more decision like that. I want a confrontational/sarcastic tone option. 2)The music is really subpar in comparison to the trilogy. I hardly remember a track from this game and this because you can barely hear it while exploring. I want the ME:OT consistent music that you can hear throughout the level and not the dynamic or situational variant they went for. I don't like that approach. I want specific soundtrack for specific planets that I can hear over and over and enjoy and remember. These last two issues take away one point each from the final score. The last 0,5 is because of the bugs. Hope for a better sequel.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 19, 2017 16:28:21 GMT
I only played Witcher 3 and how does the creator calling someone a retard make the game worse. And someone at Bioware made racist post about white people and I like MEA. Oh, I'm sorry, but if the creator calls you a retard and not a true fan because your only investment in the universe doesn't come from his books, that really smells of bullshit. And I know about Heir, he didn't make shit. Hmm. Wonder when the karma is hitting on that one. Yeah he hates the games. But I'm in the same boat as I like the games as well. I just took it with a grain of salt.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 19, 2017 16:36:08 GMT
I'm not one of the few lucky ones there are a lot of people who enjoy this games RPG and story. I don't have the numbers to know which are in the majority but when you are c talking about posters and not threads (a silly factor to judge this kind of thing on) the people i know of are about equal. So many people enjoyed it that it's getting wiped from existence... I don't think as many people liked it as you think. I love how you keep posting "facts" without proof.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 19, 2017 16:41:06 GMT
One thing I found helped was that was about halfway through the game I cranked the music right up and the sfx down. Made a huge difference, the sound balance is borked.
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Post by abaris on Jun 19, 2017 16:41:17 GMT
What I see in Montreal's work is that they tried very, very hard to find it. It's a great pity that they have failed. Because of that balance, because of that keeping everything important, and not just cutting it out. From where I am standing I'm appreciating the framework they delivered. But for one reason or another they failed at filling that framework. The only real improvement I notice is the combat. But that's also what least interests me about the game. If the Kotaku article is right and I have no reason to doubt it, they managed to put out a solid game against all odds. Kudos to them for doing that. But in my opinion it doesn't rise up to previous titles.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jun 19, 2017 16:45:40 GMT
Was 7, now it's an 8.
Granted, I don't LIKE most games, and the ones I do, I quite like. This is one. Some things are still off. Some plot points, gags, and character beats are still a bit dumb. Everyone makes WAY too big of deal about being a pathfinder. But it's fun, it's shiny, the combat's good, it made me laugh, it made me lean forward in my seat, it made me raise an eyebrow, and I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 16:49:44 GMT
What I see in Montreal's work is that they tried very, very hard to find it. It's a great pity that they have failed. Because of that balance, because of that keeping everything important, and not just cutting it out. From where I am standing I'm appreciating the framework they delivered. But for one reason or another they failed at filling that framework. The only real improvement I notice is the combat. But that's also what least interests me about the game. If the Kotaku article is right and I have no reason to doubt it, they managed to put out a solid game against all odds. Kudos to them for doing that. But in my opinion it doesn't rise up to previous titles. It's a small site, so I am pretty positive we've been through it already, my taking a deep breath of relief upon playing Andromeda after Inquisition, you -feeling the exact opposite. That's art for you. But leaving aside the subjective, I would welcome both the same framework and the degree of filling it in any game. There are parts I'd personally won't mind losing, but I know they are dear to others, so if that's where they would stay, that's good for me. Personally, I think that the solid build did not receive enough credit, but perhaps that's too "professional" way to look at it, and most folks put emphasis on the emotional impact of the game.
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