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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 3:55:16 GMT
Blowing up the Kett Facility leads to an impossible Jaal, a lot of innocents killed and a very happy Moshae lol and if you are direct with Sloane about what you want and just get to the point without questioning her, you can get the Angara killed. Killing Akksul will make things really bad too. Sparing the AI also leads to a pointless death. I don't know. As Shepard I was fine with how things were straight forward but with Ryder I feel I have to really stop and think. Not everyone will feel that way, but for me, that's how it felt. I was always itching to push RT (especially the Reyes moment). I don't care about an impossible Jaal. The job is to destroy the base. That's a good result. If Ryder gets the information needed to get to Archies ship, I call that a good result. With the angaran. He wrote his death sentence for what he did. I give him no sympathy. With the asskul guy. He points his gun at a squadmate of mine. I put him down. That's a good result. I've never spared the ai. My Shepard wouldn't either. That's a good result. As you say. Not everyone agrees with what I do in my playthroughs, but that's how I play my main character. I'd love to be the same way lol I always admire how you play your Shepard and Ryder, but my stomach won't agree if I try it myself haha
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jun 22, 2017 4:10:54 GMT
If MEA were actually "dead" or on extended hiatus with no intention to make another game in the foreseeable future, there is no way EA or Bioware would actually announce that. Why should they? They would say nothing for years until there was a time they felt the climate was right to reuse the franchise. There's no need for them to sell it, and no incentive to do so. They will simply say nothing and have fans wondering at every E3 and EA Play if a new Mass Effect title will be revealed.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 22, 2017 4:23:31 GMT
Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol Yeah, it was problematic the way it was handled from start to finish. LGBT community as a rule seems like a fair portion of people feel antagonized, marginalized, victimized and mistreated, and over the years they have been in RL as a group. So BW really failed on that one. The blame does lay with them because frankly, the m/m relationship they had or perhaps the character left much to be desired. I'm straight and just talking to Gil in one game made me wonder how that would go over. It's not the shuttle pilot from ME3 who was a great character IMHO with in general an interesting story even if execution wasn't stellar. That whole situation was just screaming for blowback and frankly I don't blame them. It's a hot button topic and that BW in their infinite wisdom failed to be prepared or heck, just make a better romance in the first place is on them. But once you have a group like that (and I don't mean LGBT but any group that feels marginalized in any way) dealing with a situation where they feel marginalized yet again and by someone or something they trusted not to do that, anyone who doesn't say exactly what they want to hear or agree with them 100% runs the risk of quite a bit of hostility. I know. I have seen it with my brother (who is gay). There were times and topics I felt just best to say nothing out of concern that if i didn't say exactly what he wanted to hear or say it exactly the way he wanted to hear it, it would be hurtful to him or he might not understand why I thought the way I did. Outside of those kinds of situations, we don't really have those issues, but once something triggers him (or triggered him as this was mostly a while ago), it was best to say nothing. I'm sorry people attacked you and took offense at your view of things. Probably also having a lot of younger people who are still dealing with these issues, having not really come into their own yet or not really felt secure about it or at least not marginalized made it much worse. Still no excuse for treating you that way. It's just that tightrope walk. Sometimes even damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm really sorry you had to deal with that. Maybe chill with the more relaxed folk here for a while and get that stuff off your mind. There are some really nice folks here in the general section. That's the issue I have, I didn't like the way Bioware solved the issue yet if you express it you'll be called a "homophobe." Which is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 22, 2017 5:27:40 GMT
I don't think those objecting are (necessarily) homophobes. Whether the crude Youtube comment type or the sweet but offensive type, or whatever. I do think Jaal m/m was a solution though. One of multiple available, but IMO the more clear and direct to implement and if I was the dev to choose (and obviously I'm not, and my software development experience is still super minimal), I'd choose this, given it being greenlit for funding at least. There's a lot of context around the situation that makes it comfortable to me - and I'm someone against modification enough that: -I was in 'Take Back Mass Effect' (change the ending) for like a week or two before cringing -I liked Extended Cut but indeed part of that was because I felt that 'changes' were okay in the way of how Bioware themselves saw it (that is, elaborate, not retcon) -I always have a comfort/discomfort relationship with mods. Anything that feels at all like it wouldn't be in the setting and story, I avoid So I hope that paints a picture for you. I still think Jaal m/m is at least largely fine (Liam wouldn't be) and that the thing comes off more as a restoration patch (not entirely, but more than enough) instead of a 'change'. Its not even stuff like 'oh Angara see gender differently and that makes this fine'. No. Especially because a gender fluidity of angara doesn't = Jaal bi. Its more the mix of really everything I've experienced in and out of game about this matter. So when I have this level of acceptance of Jaal bi, yes, even polite disagreements by others disproportionately comes off as a dismissal of gay affirmation. That its okay (consciously or subconsciously) by even the supposed allies that those gay guys get so little. Even after the tease. Even after the corporate positions of EA. Even after datamining. And so on. Its fine, it'd be 'changing a character's sexuality' so don't do it. (/s) I'd be right on that for a lot of things. For example, while I wasn't totally 'against' Anders 'bi'/playersexual(?), I would have been comfortable with him straight and I think the way bi Anders was done in DA2 was a little badly done.. at best. If Bioware patched in some bi James, despite some 'gaydar pinging' moments, I'd still not agree with such a move. But there's SO much surrounding Jaal, even to straight male (and not particularly interested in LGBT matters) friends of mine, that its nearly a no-brainer. So yeah, can't help that when there's opposition, at the very least a small alarm goes off that I'm facing 'concern bigotry'. Even when rationally that is probably not the case and I try to give benefit of the doubt. I hadn't done it ever until recently, but I did the math - m/m had substantially less than any other combo, including f/f. And like, okay, I can and will play games that are '100% straight'. But Bioware's made both explicit and implicit promises on matters like this and so its a very obvious and loud result when things so clearly disappoint (as opposed to the more tepid but very understandable complaints of things like f/f Peebee scene). Hey here's Jaal, you thought you could pick him for several good reasons, but nope!, 'it has to make sense' and if you want it in now, nah, only for women, obviously, and it makes sense. ^ Not a nice feeling. And I think I've been almost entirely calm about romance cra----stuff since the earlier 2000s. So I have to think - have I gone nutso (possible) or is this especially poor form of Bioware, and as well, reactions from other fans about my/our reactions? Not necessarily LC or whoever, but giving the gist. Back to topic.. EDIT: I have itty critiques about previous games but they maxed out at 'Steve was a throwaway and made me cringe but I appreciate this starting being a thing in ME'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 5:34:23 GMT
SwobyJ Yep! I agree and feel Jaal is whole again (I saw the files. I helped datamine), but some people abused it with straight Scott and tried to use the patch against the devs for other female romances and even us straight females aren't demanding more male romances. We have 3 just like the gay players. *shrugs* That's my only issue I had. They showed they can patch in a romance after they animate it and get voice actors to voice it. That could lead to volatile reactions in future games if romances don't pan out. Not for gay players, but in general. If they are cool with that, all the more power to them, but they did just open a big door they might not be able to close. The gay players had a right, but that won't stop some people.
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Post by projectpatdc on Jun 22, 2017 5:54:32 GMT
Mass Effect isn't dead. It may not come out for a long while, but it's too unique for it to be dead. The good thing/exciting thing is there will probably be entirely new/different team working on it and MEA leaves some pretty interesting cliffhangers
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 5:56:02 GMT
Mass Effect isn't dead. It may not come out for a long while, but it's too unique for it to be dead. The good thing/exciting thing is there will probably be entirely new/different working on it and MEA leaves some pretty interesting cliffhangers I will die a happy woman if I see a Drell and a Hanar in a future game or DLC! I can't wait to see how Frostbite will make them look!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2017 6:14:40 GMT
Mass Effect isn't dead. It may not come out for a long while, but it's too unique for it to be dead. The good thing/exciting thing is there will probably be entirely new/different team working on it and MEA leaves some pretty interesting cliffhangers i hope not. Especially writing wise i wanna see them grow and learn.
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Post by dillk on Jun 22, 2017 7:20:30 GMT
If ME and DA series are really paused, it's perhaps also because there's tendency to consider that now it's hard to continue exploit the same IP without to have to manage a rising negativity from players.
Another more obvious problem is Bioware, take the Skyrim cloning path have been rude for them with DAI and MEA, good points but flaws and high feedback negativity. What to do next is a rude choice.
Myself I believe the team should come back to what they know do the best, but I don't see it wise until some years. So EA choices to try wait and see, and attempt leave Rpg tag and try something else, seems a fair option.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 22, 2017 7:35:53 GMT
I've been abused and accused over a romance in the game for 4 months. I am stalked and hounded by said people and attacked if I say one thing wrong, so yeah, something's not right for sure and today I snapped and I am done being nice, while letting them abuse me. They affected my health here and over a bloody romance in a game! BW forums: 'Abandon hope all ye who enter here' Well, BioWare (or more likely EA) did decide that an official forum was too hot to handle... Only mediocre to some, others enjoyed it, like me. Even if you liked it you should expect more. At the very least regarding the bugs - we as gamers shouldn't have to put up with that kind of quality This I agree with, a May launch would have been better, like the 6-week delay Dragon Age Inquisition got.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Jun 22, 2017 8:39:29 GMT
Maybe all this stuff should be sold with a disclaimer. *Meant for fun. Not meant for crazy.* It has to be a mental stability thing. For people to harass you over a game romance in a video game forum? Pardon my language but that's fucking nuts. Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol Can't believe you allowed people to ruin your enjoyment of something. That's inconceivable to me no way will trolls/idiots whatever you wanna call them will ruin my enjoyment of something.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 22, 2017 9:23:35 GMT
It's bad businness if they declare Mass Effect dead. Even with all the negativity, it is still a very strong name amongst the gaming community Good point. I even read where someone mentioned that half of the Bioware store is ME related stuff and if EA came out and said that MEA is dead, that could effect sales in a negative way. Everyone getting all emotional about their love/hatred for the game and forget that BW is esentially a businness company
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Post by darkway1 on Jun 22, 2017 12:06:53 GMT
Personally I wish Bioware/EA would go the Uncharted4/Witcher way of wrapping up franchises......Uncharted4 ends Nathan Drakes story and hands the mantle over to other characters with in the universe,same goes for the Witcher and countless other games.
Instead Bioware/EA stories tend to be way too epic for their own good,offering world changing conclusions that make it difficult to continue.....Dead Space 3 for example ended a bit like Mass Effect3,making established future game content difficult.
Presently I think Bioware/EA has a lot on their plate,so another Mass Effect game would hinder development of current projects,Anthem (franchise) for example is hoped to have a 10 year life cycle,Dragon Age is in the works,EA has the exclusive Star Wars licence so expect more SW,not to mention the annual Battlefield/front...sports...Cars...ETC.
Having said that,if a creative team had a strong vision about Mass Effects future,I think EA would give them the green light.......problem for Bioware/EA is they don't have or have lost core creative people that have a vision for Mass Effect.......so the franchise goes on ice simply because no one knows what to do with it.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 13:32:44 GMT
This I agree with, a May launch would have been better, like the 6-week delay Dragon Age Inquisition got. Even with that delay, it still had a lot of bugs. I remember some posters saying they would have preferred if the game was given another 6 months to fix them instead of releasing the game when they did
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Post by goishen on Jun 22, 2017 13:59:59 GMT
Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol Can't believe you allowed people to ruin your enjoyment of something. That's inconceivable to me no way will trolls/idiots whatever you wanna call them will ruin my enjoyment of something. The only way for a person to ruin another person's enjoyment is by said person to have their eyes closed. In other words, if you go into a game knowing that it has shit animations, shit story, shit lore, all of aliens looking exactly alike, and you still like the game? Fine by me. But don't try and hand off ruining your disappointment to me, simply for opening your eyes.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 22, 2017 14:38:17 GMT
Can't believe you allowed people to ruin your enjoyment of something. That's inconceivable to me no way will trolls/idiots whatever you wanna call them will ruin my enjoyment of something. The only way for a person to ruin another person's enjoyment is by said person to have their eyes closed. In other words, if you go into a game knowing that it has shit animations, shit story, shit lore, all of aliens looking exactly alike, and you still like the game? Fine by me. But don't try and hand off ruining your disappointment to me, simply for opening your eyes. Or maybe you shouldn't expect others to treat your subjective opinion about the game as objective fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 15:07:56 GMT
Can't believe you allowed people to ruin your enjoyment of something. That's inconceivable to me no way will trolls/idiots whatever you wanna call them will ruin my enjoyment of something. The only way for a person to ruin another person's enjoyment is by said person to have their eyes closed. In other words, if you go into a game knowing that it has shit animations, shit story, shit lore, all of aliens looking exactly alike, and you still like the game? Fine by me. But don't try and hand off ruining your disappointment to me, simply for opening your eyes. If you would open your eyes to the fact that, even though I disagree with you about the game having shit animations, shit story, shit lore, and see many different varieties of aliens (just Asari who look alike)... my eyes are fully open. As long as you continue to badger me about my eyes being closed when I know they are not, I will rightfully say that you are trying to ruin my enjoyment of this game. I have no disappointment to "hand off" anywhere because I'm not disappointed.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 22, 2017 15:19:56 GMT
I don't care about an impossible Jaal. The job is to destroy the base. That's a good result. If Ryder gets the information needed to get to Archies ship, I call that a good result. With the angaran. He wrote his death sentence for what he did. I give him no sympathy. With the asskul guy. He points his gun at a squadmate of mine. I put him down. That's a good result. I've never spared the ai. My Shepard wouldn't either. That's a good result. As you say. Not everyone agrees with what I do in my playthroughs, but that's how I play my main character. I'd love to be the same way lol I always admire how you play your Shepard and Ryder, but my stomach won't agree if I try it myself haha Speaking of that can you do that and still romance Jaal?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 15:31:02 GMT
I'd love to be the same way lol I always admire how you play your Shepard and Ryder, but my stomach won't agree if I try it myself haha Speaking of that can you do that and still romance Jaal? You can romance Jaal if you either blow up the facility or kill Akksul. He'll forgive you after FOREVER. If you do both though, he will force the friendship path on you.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 22, 2017 15:34:49 GMT
Speaking of that can you do that and still romance Jaal? You can romance Jaal if you either blow up the facility or kill Akksul. He'll forgive you after FOREVER. If you do both though, he will force the friendship path on you. Cool thanks.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 22, 2017 15:35:19 GMT
I'd love to be the same way lol I always admire how you play your Shepard and Ryder, but my stomach won't agree if I try it myself haha Speaking of that can you do that and still romance Jaal? Yes, nothing you do really change companions' opinions
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 15:38:11 GMT
Speaking of that can you do that and still romance Jaal? You can romance Jaal if you either blow up the facility or kill Akksul. He'll forgive you after FOREVER. If you do both though, he will force the friendship path on you. How do you blow up the facility? Does it happen if you just let the timer run out on the battle or do you need to do something special? I sort of wanted to do everything I can anti-Angaran but I did not see the opening to blow up the place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 15:39:32 GMT
You can romance Jaal if you either blow up the facility or kill Akksul. He'll forgive you after FOREVER. If you do both though, he will force the friendship path on you. Cool thanks. Yeah I never did it myself, but a guy here tested it and informed us that's what happens. Jaal has 7 or more ways to be romanced, but once you've broken his trust twice, he's pretty done with you lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 15:41:07 GMT
You can romance Jaal if you either blow up the facility or kill Akksul. He'll forgive you after FOREVER. If you do both though, he will force the friendship path on you. How do you blow up the facility? Does it happen if you just let the timer run out on the battle or do you need to do something special? I sort of wanted to do everything I can anti-Angaran but I did not see the opening to blow up the place. You get a choice after you defeat the Cardinal. The Moshae says destroy it, Jaal begs you not to, the Cardinal says she'll free the Angara if you leave her "Temple" standing. Then you get the option. I always free them and shoot her.
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