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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:30:24 GMT
I play games for the enjoyment of them, but after getting wrapped up in the romance drama here, I do worry for some people's mental state regarding video game romances. It's not just video games but all parts of pop culture. I'm lifelong Transformers fan, I have zero interest in the fifth film and that whole universe. I don't need to complain because I got damn near all the cartoon shows that have been officially released in the US on DVD and/or Blu-Ray. I got close to 2 year backlog of TF comics that I keep meaning to read. I got enough toys to last me 6 lifetimes (and still want more) and I got 3 decent video games that I can play on my consoles with little or no trouble, and why should I focus my time and money on one part of franchise that I don't like and why should I piss off the fans that do enjoy those movies when I got so much more stuff that I do love and that does give me enjoyment and waste my time whining about how much I don't like Bay's films? Yeah same with me. I grew up with Power Rangers, and I owned all the merch, had all the episodes recorded on my VCR , but no way am I going to watch the new movie or waste time telling those who do watch it to not bother, or it sucks, it's garbage, etc... I simply stay away from that topic or say nothing if it comes up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:39:20 GMT
It's not just video games but all parts of pop culture. I'm lifelong Transformers fan, I have zero interest in the fifth film and that whole universe. I don't need to complain because I got damn near all the cartoon shows that have been officially released in the US on DVD and/or Blu-Ray. I got close to 2 year backlog of TF comics that I keep meaning to read. I got enough toys to last me 6 lifetimes (and still want more) and I got 3 decent video games that I can play on my consoles with little or no trouble, and why should I focus my time and money on one part of franchise that I don't like and why should I piss off the fans that do enjoy those movies when I got so much more stuff that I do love and that does give me enjoyment and waste my time whining about how much I don't like Bay's films? Yeah same with me. I grew up with Power Rangers, and I owned all the merch, had all the episodes recorded on my VCR , but no way am I going to watch the new movie or waste time telling those who do watch it to not bother, or it sucks, it's garbage, etc... I simply stay away from that topic or say nothing if it comes up. Maybe all this stuff should be sold with a disclaimer. *Meant for fun. Not meant for crazy.* It has to be a mental stability thing. For people to harass you over a game romance in a video game forum? Pardon my language but that's fucking nuts.
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Post by kino on Jun 22, 2017 2:43:36 GMT
Not progressing would be a huge step foward compared to what Andromeda did. Not to mention, one doesn't exclude the other. They can make a remaster and then do a proper new Mass Effect game. Remasters sell, that's why we have so many of them. Remasters do not sell, if they did companies would go more out of their way doing so. A true sequel sells more than remasters. Look at halo MCC, it was 4.5 games graphically upgraded with two of them being completely remastered in CE and H2. It sold less than 4 million. Combine all those games individual sales and you get 30+ million. That's arguably the biggest fps title and Xboxes flagship franchise. If remasters sell why did it sell almost 8x less than the originals? Because people don't pay extra to go replay something they've already done. Remasters/remakes are fan service at best, they're not something a company can live off of. Keep in mind I myself would buy the remaster if they did so, but I've done plenty of comparisons on original games to remasters sale wise, at best you make an extra small profit but it will not be anything big and they'll only entertain people for so long cause they're not progressing thevfranchise. Andromeda is progression whether it does good or bad as it's not a remake at least and shows the devs are wanting to move forward good or bad. No one's considering how much it would cost to remaster the OT in Frostbite, because that's the engine it would be remastered in. All new mocap, new assets, new...everything. The only thing they would have to reuse is the voice acting and sound effects. I suspect they'd rather roll the dice on a new MDK game before going down the road of a OT remaster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:44:05 GMT
Yeah same with me. I grew up with Power Rangers, and I owned all the merch, had all the episodes recorded on my VCR , but no way am I going to watch the new movie or waste time telling those who do watch it to not bother, or it sucks, it's garbage, etc... I simply stay away from that topic or say nothing if it comes up. Maybe all this stuff should be sold with a disclaimer. *Meant for fun. Not meant for crazy.* It has to be a mental stability thing. For people to harass you over a game romance in a video game forum? Pardon my language but that's fucking nuts. Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol
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Post by suikoden on Jun 22, 2017 2:49:35 GMT
No kidding! IMHO BioWare should stop listening to their so-called "fans" because they will never be able to please them and they are in a constant "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situations even when the criticism has valid points those are constantly drowned out by the their so-called "fans" (you know: the angry entitled hardcore gamer trolls) which is constantly putting their all their games, and regardless of what you think of their overall quality, against a growing and dangerous mob mentally that is causing more harm than good. That is not just hurting BioWare and EA but is hurting every aspect of the entire video game industry and all of video game culture across the board. Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them. Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:51:03 GMT
Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them. Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change. Only mediocre to some, others enjoyed it, like me.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 22, 2017 2:51:35 GMT
Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them. Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change. Only in your narrow view.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 22, 2017 2:57:48 GMT
Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game, and you that love this game just let them get away with it if it was up to you. More mediocrity! We don't care how bad it is, we'll buy it anyways! Take our money!" Luckily the backlash has resulted in change. Only mediocre to some, others enjoyed it, like me. Even if you liked it you should expect more. At the very least regarding the bugs - we as gamers shouldn't have to put up with that kind of quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:59:11 GMT
Only mediocre to some, others enjoyed it, like me. Even if you liked it you should expect more. At the very least regarding the bugs - we as gamers shouldn't have to put up with that kind of quality. Hey we both agree on something finally lol but I know they will do better. My faith remains strong for future games. This game helped me through a rough time in my life, so for now I am grateful for it even existing.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 22, 2017 3:00:42 GMT
Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them. Ummm, Bioware and EA are the ones walking all over us by releasing a mediocre game Yes, yes. Personalize that disappointment in a game. Yes, Bioware is out to get you.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:02:57 GMT
If you insist... Shepard is SAM (Shepard Adoptive Matrix). Control is the canon ending. Shepard just transferred his/her persona into Alec Ryder's sleeping head as the Hyperion left the edge of the galaxy as the Final Battle for Earth was taking place. Really? Since my ems was below 1750, and I destroyed the base in ME2, the only choice my Shepard had, not counting the refuse, since I never choose it, is destroy. So it would be hard to have control as the canon ending since mine never chose it. Even if the control thing was the canon, and Shepard was the sam thing, it would tell the rookie to have Dunn turn the ship around and go back to Earth since Hab 7 was a bust.
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If you insist... Shepard is SAM (Shepard Adoptive Matrix). Control is the canon ending. Shepard just transferred his/her persona into Alec Ryder's sleeping head as the Hyperion left the edge of the galaxy as the Final Battle for Earth was taking place. Really? S ince my ems was below 1750, and I destroyed the base in ME2, the only choice my Shepard had, not counting the refuse, since I never choose it. is destroy. So it would be hard to have control as the canon ending since mine never chose it. Even if the control thing was the canon, and Shepard was the sam thing, it would tell the rookie to have Dunn turn the ship around and go back to Earth since Hab 7 was a bust. That always makes me think Destroy is canon though canon is up to the gamer. It's the only option you get if you do nothing but just speenrun through and make logical choices.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:11:34 GMT
Really? S ince my ems was below 1750, and I destroyed the base in ME2, the only choice my Shepard had, not counting the refuse, since I never choose it. is destroy. So it would be hard to have control as the canon ending since mine never chose it. Even if the control thing was the canon, and Shepard was the sam thing, it would tell the rookie to have Dunn turn the ship around and go back to Earth since Hab 7 was a bust. That always makes me think Destroy is canon though canon is up to the gamer. It's the only option you get if you do nothing but just speenrun through and make logical choices. Destroy wouldn't be the only option. It depends on what the player did with the base in ME2. Save it, control is the only option with ems that low. I've sped through ME3 many times and still got the breath scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 3:14:25 GMT
That always makes me think Destroy is canon though canon is up to the gamer. It's the only option you get if you do nothing but just speenrun through and make logical choices. Destroy wouldn't be the only option. It depends on what the player did with the base in ME2. Save it, control is the only option with ems that low. I've sped through ME3 many times and still got the breath scene. That's why I said logical. I always destroy the base. TIM is a crazy old man who I love, but he is crazy lol shame the Kett Facility is the opposite. Logical is sparing it since all signs point to that as the right choice, but on my first playthrough I went into Shepard-mode and nearly blew it up. I found that many Shepard choices in MEA are the opposite of good.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 3:14:52 GMT
Maybe all this stuff should be sold with a disclaimer. *Meant for fun. Not meant for crazy.* It has to be a mental stability thing. For people to harass you over a game romance in a video game forum? Pardon my language but that's fucking nuts. Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol Yeah, it was problematic the way it was handled from start to finish. LGBT community as a rule seems like a fair portion of people feel antagonized, marginalized, victimized and mistreated, and over the years they have been in RL as a group. So BW really failed on that one. The blame does lay with them because frankly, the m/m relationship they had or perhaps the character left much to be desired. I'm straight and just talking to Gil in one game made me wonder how that would go over. It's not the shuttle pilot from ME3 who was a great character IMHO with in general an interesting story even if execution wasn't stellar. That whole situation was just screaming for blowback and frankly I don't blame them. It's a hot button topic and that BW in their infinite wisdom failed to be prepared or heck, just make a better romance in the first place is on them. But once you have a group like that (and I don't mean LGBT but any group that feels marginalized in any way) dealing with a situation where they feel marginalized yet again and by someone or something they trusted not to do that, anyone who doesn't say exactly what they want to hear or agree with them 100% runs the risk of quite a bit of hostility. I know. I have seen it with my brother (who is gay). There were times and topics I felt just best to say nothing out of concern that if i didn't say exactly what he wanted to hear or say it exactly the way he wanted to hear it, it would be hurtful to him or he might not understand why I thought the way I did. Outside of those kinds of situations, we don't really have those issues, but once something triggers him (or triggered him as this was mostly a while ago), it was best to say nothing. I'm sorry people attacked you and took offense at your view of things. Probably also having a lot of younger people who are still dealing with these issues, having not really come into their own yet or not really felt secure about it or at least not marginalized made it much worse. Still no excuse for treating you that way. It's just that tightrope walk. Sometimes even damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm really sorry you had to deal with that. Maybe chill with the more relaxed folk here for a while and get that stuff off your mind. There are some really nice folks here in the general section.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 22, 2017 3:16:24 GMT
Meh...the game had strong production values and it's visuals are amazing at times, but the characters and storyline was lacking. The game should not have been released in such a glitchy mess, but Bioware made good on fixing those issues with patches and the game is better off for it, but that does not solve it's more pressing issues at it's core.....character development the overall narrative and it's weak story. That said, Andromeda is not a bad game and EA is not going to can the series off of one game that started out of the gates crashing and burning. This is still a popular franchise and it is a franchise that still puts up decent numbers for EA. EA not saying anything regarding DLC or the shelving of the series should not be looked into until we hear something official. This series isn't like what i feel EA is doing with my beloved Dead Space series....they stated something along the lines of "the series is put on hiatus, but we would like to revisit it in the future".....we have not heard anything about the next DS game in years...granted the last one was more action than anything and that DLC "awakening" treaded very closely to "jumping the shark" with it's ending... ....i just hope if t hey ever continue that series, that the little segment with the "self-aware planets" ends up being a dream sequence,...because that ending was absolutely awful... I wouldn't mind seeing Andromeda 2 tho.....just hire better writers or just get the crew that did the original trilogy for the next game...that Anthem trailer already looks like what Andromeda should have been on some level...
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:21:44 GMT
That's why I said logical. I always destroy the base. TIM is a crazy old man who I love, but he is crazy lol shame the Kett Facility is the opposite. Logical is sparing it since all signs point to that as the right choice, I never found it logical to spare the base. I have a couple of times just to have more ems in ME3 even if its only 10 points. Really? From what I remember about MEA, Ryder was making the choices in MEA.
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Yeah it was all because they wanted a m/m squadmate and after much demand, they got it, but I am still harassed for not accepting how they went about it and gave in, which could later on be used against them if fans want more romances forced into patches. I've been called a biphobe (funny since my romances are all bi) and homophobe even though I am fine with the character being made bi, I just don't approve of the method.
So I'm done with MEA for awhile now. The game is impossible to enjoy at the moment after all that misery. Hopefully when I play it again, I'll be able to truly immerse myself in it like I did the other BW games, and I only managed to enjoy them because I missed all the drama when they were released years ago lol Yeah, it was problematic the way it was handled from start to finish. LGBT community as a rule seems like a fair portion of people feel antagonized, marginalized, victimized and mistreated, and over the years they have been in RL as a group. So BW really failed on that one. The blame does lay with them because frankly, the m/m relationship they had or perhaps the character left much to be desired. I'm straight and just talking to Gil in one game made me wonder how that would go over. It's not the shuttle pilot from ME3 who was a great character IMHO with in general an interesting story even if execution wasn't stellar. That whole situation was just screaming for blowback and frankly I don't blame them. It's a hot button topic and that BW in their infinite wisdom failed to be prepared or heck, just make a better romance in the first place is on them. But once you have a group like that (and I don't mean LGBT but any group that feels marginalized in any way) dealing with a situation where they feel marginalized yet again and by someone or something they trusted not to do that, anyone who doesn't say exactly what they want to hear or agree with them 100% runs the risk of quite a bit of hostility. I know. I have seen it with my brother (who is gay). There were times and topics I felt just best to say nothing out of concern that if i didn't say exactly what he wanted to hear or say it exactly the way he wanted to hear it, it would be hurtful to him or he might not understand why I thought the way I did. Outside of those kinds of situations, we don't really have those issues, but once something triggers him (or triggered him as this was mostly a while ago), it was best to say nothing. I'm sorry people attacked you and took offense at your view of things. Probably also having a lot of younger people who are still dealing with these issues, having not really come into their own yet or not really felt secure about it or at least not marginalized made it much worse. Still no excuse for treating you that way. It's just that tightrope walk. Sometimes even damned if you do, damned if you don't. I'm really sorry you had to deal with that. Maybe chill with the more relaxed folk here for a while and get that stuff off your mind. There are some really nice folks here in the general section. Yeah I was never against their rights, but how BW went about things made it worse for everyone by changing things though with good reason, but still showing the asses that they can change things if forced. They had a right with Jaal, but then you had others demanding Suvi to be bi and it was just wrong. Cutting his bi romance was the worst thing they did and patching only brought out a bunch of jerks who wanted to argue over Suvi. Seriously Scott's got almost all the ladies. Enough! Oh yeah saying nothing is what I'll do. I can't do anything else anymore, and trying only makes it worse. They don't trust me and I can't forgive the things they did to me, so it'll never be peaceful though we did try. I don't want to hurt or hurt anyone, so staying away is best. Yeah I think I'll do that. I find the convos here fun most of the time, though lately my snapping at others is due to the harassment, and I'd like to cool down and just chat. Logically. At 33 I am just a very chill female gamer and want to talk of lore, fighting tactics, ways to improve the game, tips on missions, help others who have questions, etc... I'm too old for the drama lol and cranky!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 3:24:05 GMT
That's why I said logical. I always destroy the base. TIM is a crazy old man who I love, but he is crazy lol shame the Kett Facility is the opposite. Logical is sparing it since all signs point to that as the right choice, I never found it logical to spare the base. I have a couple of times just to have more ems in ME3 even if its only 10 points. Really? From what I remember about MEA, Ryder was making the choices in MEA. Yeah but if you thought like Shepard (I had just finished the trilogy, so my mindset was stuck lol), you end up with less good results. It's a very Paragon-like game.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:27:51 GMT
Yeah but if you thought like Shepard (I had just finished the trilogy, so my mindset was stuck lol), you end up with less good results. It's a very Paragon-like game. Why would thinking like Shepard produce less good results?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 3:34:27 GMT
Yeah but if you thought like Shepard (I had just finished the trilogy, so my mindset was stuck lol), you end up with less good results. It's a very Paragon-like game. Why would thinking like Shepard produce less good results? Blowing up the Kett Facility leads to an impossible Jaal, a lot of innocents killed and a very happy Moshae lol and if you are direct with Sloane about what you want and just get to the point without questioning her, you can get the Angara killed. Killing Akksul will make things really bad too. Sparing the AI also leads to a pointless death. I don't know. As Shepard I was fine with how things were straight forward but with Ryder I feel I have to really stop and think. Not everyone will feel that way, but for me, that's how it felt. I was always itching to push RT (especially the Reyes moment).
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 22, 2017 3:39:03 GMT
If you insist... Shepard is SAM (Shepard Adoptive Matrix). Control is the canon ending. Shepard just transferred his/her persona into Alec Ryder's sleeping head as the Hyperion left the edge of the galaxy as the Final Battle for Earth was taking place. Really? Since my ems was below 1750, and I destroyed the base in ME2, the only choice my Shepard had, not counting the refuse, since I never choose it, is destroy. So it would be hard to have control as the canon ending since mine never chose it. Even if the control thing was the canon, and Shepard was the sam thing, it would tell the rookie to have Dunn turn the ship around and go back to Earth since Hab 7 was a bust. In your scenario it could always be Harbinger that becomes the new SAM
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:52:53 GMT
Blowing up the Kett Facility leads to an impossible Jaal, a lot of innocents killed and a very happy Moshae lol and if you are direct with Sloane about what you want and just get to the point without questioning her, you can get the Angara killed. Killing Akksul will make things really bad too. Sparing the AI also leads to a pointless death. I don't know. As Shepard I was fine with how things were straight forward but with Ryder I feel I have to really stop and think. Not everyone will feel that way, but for me, that's how it felt. I was always itching to push RT (especially the Reyes moment). I don't care about an impossible Jaal. The job is to destroy the base. That's a good result. If Ryder gets the information needed to get to Archies ship, I call that a good result. With the angaran. He wrote his death sentence for what he did. I give him no sympathy. With the asskul guy. He points his gun at a squadmate of mine. I put him down. That's a good result. I've never spared the ai. My Shepard wouldn't either. That's a good result. As you say. Not everyone agrees with what I do in my playthroughs, but that's how I play my main character.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2017 3:53:25 GMT
not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Which is such a shitty hateful thing to do. BW at one time clearly had some very mentally unstable fans who now hate them. I am wondering if there might be a link between relationship roleplaying and batshit crazy. Not that everyone who relationship roleplays is batshit crazy, but if you catch them during their formative years it might increase the odds exponentially if there were any hints of instability to begin with. i think it's far simpler then that. Just seems people like dividing themselves into teams. Political, sports, and fandom. And if you can't then they find artificial ones. OT v Prequels. Moffat v RTD. MET vs Andromeda. Old bioware vs new bioware. SG-1/SGA v SGU. And whatever the internal.politics of the thrones fandom is. Granted even i find it difficult to not fall into this. I find myself having more negative thoughts about Shepard and the OT. Have to remind myself that Just because i enjoy Ryder/Andromeda i still enjoyed the OT a lot.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 22, 2017 3:54:44 GMT
In your scenario it could always be Harbinger that becomes the new SAM I wouldn't complain. It would be funny to see the look on Ryder's face when hearing ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL for the first time.
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