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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 21, 2017 22:33:15 GMT
Because they failed at making a new one? Gotta build up that good will - only Shepard can save Mass Effect! Corporeal Shepard is a least 500 years dead (and possibly 632 years dead). Andromeda never happened, dude! Just play the trilogy again, there was no AI there!
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 22:34:30 GMT
Corporeal Shepard is a least 500 years dead (and possibly 632 years dead). That's why it'll be a remaster of the trilogy. There is no need for a remaster. Look ahead not rehash what is already available. I still have the MET I can play it whenever I want.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2017 22:56:30 GMT
Because they failed at making a new one? Gotta build up that good will - only Shepard can save Mass Effect! The launch went poorly, they need to have a better one with the next installment. Shepard is as done as the Hero of Ferelden. I'd say doner actually.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 21, 2017 22:57:48 GMT
A remaster is indeed the best way to go, I've said this a long time ago. It's a safe bet and a lot of people would appreciate it. Of course, there are better and worse ways to do a remaster, but right now it would do the franchise a good service.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 23:04:49 GMT
Corporeal Shepard is a least 500 years dead (and possibly 632 years dead). Andromeda never happened, dude! Just play the trilogy again, there was no AI there! If you insist... Shepard is SAM (Shepard Adoptive Matrix). Control is the canon ending. Shepard just transferred his/her persona into Alec Ryder's sleeping head as the Hyperion left the edge of the galaxy as the Final Battle for Earth was taking place.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2017 23:10:11 GMT
A remaster is indeed the best way to go, I've said this a long time ago. It's a safe bet and a lot of people would appreciate it. Of course, there are better and worse ways to do a remaster, but right now it would do the franchise a good service. i would've appreciated a remaster before Andromeda came out. Now I'd view it as a betrayal. That assumes they do that instead of an Andromeda 2.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 21, 2017 23:30:45 GMT
Andromeda never happened, dude! Just play the trilogy again, there was no AI there! If you insist... Shepard is SAM (Shepard Adoptive Matrix). Control is the canon ending. Shepard just transferred his/her persona into Alec Ryder's sleeping head as the Hyperion left the edge of the galaxy as the Final Battle for Earth was taking place. I just to stick with the original trilogy. If it wasn't there, then it doesn't exist.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 21, 2017 23:38:33 GMT
A remaster is indeed the best way to go, I've said this a long time ago. It's a safe bet and a lot of people would appreciate it. Of course, there are better and worse ways to do a remaster, but right now it would do the franchise a good service. Remasters and remakes don't progress a franchise, it's doing what's already been done. Sales won't be high either cause most have already played the originals that there's no reason to buy unless you think better graphics are worth it. so sure you're correct, it's a safe thing to do and many would appreciate it, but again, it doesn't progress the franchise.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 21, 2017 23:41:30 GMT
A remaster is indeed the best way to go, I've said this a long time ago. It's a safe bet and a lot of people would appreciate it. Of course, there are better and worse ways to do a remaster, but right now it would do the franchise a good service. Remasters and remakes don't progress a franchise, it's doing what's already been done. Sales won't be high either cause most have already played the originals that there's no reason to buy unless you think better graphics are worth it. so sure you're correct, it's a safe thing to do and many would appreciate it, but again, it doesn't progress the franchise. Not progressing would be a huge step foward compared to what Andromeda did. Not to mention, one doesn't exclude the other. They can make a remaster and then do a proper new Mass Effect game. Remasters sell, that's why we have so many of them.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 21, 2017 23:56:25 GMT
Remasters and remakes don't progress a franchise, it's doing what's already been done. Sales won't be high either cause most have already played the originals that there's no reason to buy unless you think better graphics are worth it. so sure you're correct, it's a safe thing to do and many would appreciate it, but again, it doesn't progress the franchise. Not progressing would be a huge step foward compared to what Andromeda did. Not to mention, one doesn't exclude the other. They can make a remaster and then do a proper new Mass Effect game. Remasters sell, that's why we have so many of them. Remasters do not sell, if they did companies would go more out of their way doing so. A true sequel sells more than remasters. Look at halo MCC, it was 4.5 games graphically upgraded with two of them being completely remastered in CE and H2. It sold less than 4 million. Combine all those games individual sales and you get 30+ million. That's arguably the biggest fps title and Xboxes flagship franchise. If remasters sell why did it sell almost 8x less than the originals? Because people don't pay extra to go replay something they've already done. Remasters/remakes are fan service at best, they're not something a company can live off of. Keep in mind I myself would buy the remaster if they did so, but I've done plenty of comparisons on original games to remasters sale wise, at best you make an extra small profit but it will not be anything big and they'll only entertain people for so long cause they're not progressing thevfranchise. Andromeda is progression whether it does good or bad as it's not a remake at least and shows the devs are wanting to move forward good or bad.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 22, 2017 0:09:35 GMT
Not progressing would be a huge step foward compared to what Andromeda did. Not to mention, one doesn't exclude the other. They can make a remaster and then do a proper new Mass Effect game. Remasters sell, that's why we have so many of them. Remasters do not sell, if they did companies would go more out of their way doing so. A true sequel sells more than remasters. Look at halo MCC, it was 4.5 games graphically upgraded with two of them being completely remastered in CE and H2. It sold less than 4 million. Combine all those games individual sales and you get 30+ million. That's arguably the biggest fps title and Xboxes flagship franchise. If remasters sell why did it sell almost 8x less than the originals? Because people don't pay extra to go replay something they've already done. Remasters/remakes are fan service at best, they're not something a company can live off of. Almost 4 mi units sold for a remaster is utterly outstanding! No wonder Halo did another collection. Notice, I didn't say it will sell 1:1 compared to the original, only that they get your money. As you youself just stated. Otherwise companies that do remasters are gladly throwing their money away, which I don't believe. That's why Naughty Dog, for example, did a remater for the UC trilogy and for The Last of Us as well.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Jun 22, 2017 0:15:29 GMT
Same as Jade Empire. There is no reason to announce anything, unless the IP is sold. The entertainment world is volatile, and everything is possible. I might yet be playing JE2. And if not, I have my fond memories, and I want the same to happen to A1. Jade Empire was a self contained story and it sucked balls.Now, where's my Quarian Bumbum, Uncle Biover?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 22, 2017 0:48:16 GMT
Well, you never say never in the entertainment industry to a "dead" ip. I mean, look at Star Wars as a prime example. It had been sixteen years between ROTJ and Menace releases. Even when Sith was released (it had been ten years between Sith and TFA ) no one thought we would get TFA and well here we are with a Star Wars film every year. Now, to use a better example is EA's own ip Mirror's Edge 2, apparently there were enough hardcore Mirror's Edge fans who wanted a sequel and they eventually did get one. However, when it comes to the dlc front they should be up front with us. The silence is deafening and to be coy and say nothing, hell not giving vague tweet about saying #space like pre-release, I'll admit it's concerning. Sometimes for reasons like this I don't see a season pass being a bad thing, because you know exactly whats going to come out and how many dlc's there going to be.
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jun 22, 2017 0:51:36 GMT
Not progressing would be a huge step foward compared to what Andromeda did. Not to mention, one doesn't exclude the other. They can make a remaster and then do a proper new Mass Effect game. Remasters sell, that's why we have so many of them. Remasters do not sell, if they did companies would go more out of their way doing so. A true sequel sells more than remasters. Look at halo MCC, it was 4.5 games graphically upgraded with two of them being completely remastered in CE and H2. It sold less than 4 million. Combine all those games individual sales and you get 30+ million. That's arguably the biggest fps title and Xboxes flagship franchise. If remasters sell why did it sell almost 8x less than the originals? Because people don't pay extra to go replay something they've already done. Remasters/remakes are fan service at best, they're not something a company can live off of. Keep in mind I myself would buy the remaster if they did so, but I've done plenty of comparisons on original games to remasters sale wise, at best you make an extra small profit but it will not be anything big and they'll only entertain people for so long cause they're not progressing thevfranchise. Andromeda is progression whether it does good or bad as it's not a remake at least and shows the devs are wanting to move forward good or bad. The Last of Us and Skyrim did very well, actually. It really comes down to marketing, and how good the game is itself. If a remastered Mass Effect Trilogy were to come out about the same price as the rerelease did, with a nice graphical upgrade, and some of those pesky bugs ironed out...then yes, I think it would sell really well. Now, as to the topic... Would they announce it? Er...possibly. There ARE cases of when a franchise has been tainted beyond what is acceptable, and the creators, or publisher decides that it is best to distance itself entirely from the franchise...so yes, there are cases that have necessitated an 'end' to that particular franchise. However, contrary to popular belief, Mass Effect is FAR from dead, and certainly NOT tainted enough to warrant ending the franchise. Lets be honest, with enough improvements to the base game through patches, a positive marketing spin, and improved DLC can easily raise this franchise out of the doldrums it has fallen into. It ISN'T a horrible or bad game...it ain't stellar, but it is no where NEAR as bad as it's been portrayed. Now, they didn't officially announce an end to SimCity (ouch), Command & Conquer, Dead Space, or Rock Band (though Rock Band actually was revived under Harmonix, and seems to be doing pretty well), so take it with a grain of salt. However, based on what little sales data ANYONE has been able to get a hold of ( SPOILER: it ain't much), the game seems have done well. It seems to be more criticism than sales that are behind the 'hiatus' claims (did EA even confirm or deny that? Or just the talking heads?), and if that is the case then it would be a retool, not cancelation. Though in light of Mass Effect 3s ending, you have to wonder if it was basically a case of 'Torch the Franchise and Run', as there was no way to really follow after the ending without declaring an official canon (and who REALLY wants to wake that beast, eh?). I know some already declare that Andromeda COULDN'T happened (really, because all they had to do was keep it a secret from Shepard...who was too busy punching/shooting/hooking up with aliens to really notice or care...lets see, stop the Reapers, nail the Quarian, shoot Vorcha...schedule is pretty full there, not much time to do much else...oh, is that QUASAR!?!!?) because no one talked about it, but there was an entire galaxy of stuff happening all the time. Can't know everything...still, right after ME3 comes out, Casey Hudson starts up Project Dylan, and assigns the NEXT Mass Effect to an untested studio? Was he TRYING to kill off Mass Effect...? Gotta wonder...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2017 1:13:40 GMT
Remasters do not sell, if they did companies would go more out of their way doing so. A true sequel sells more than remasters. Look at halo MCC, it was 4.5 games graphically upgraded with two of them being completely remastered in CE and H2. It sold less than 4 million. Combine all those games individual sales and you get 30+ million. That's arguably the biggest fps title and Xboxes flagship franchise. If remasters sell why did it sell almost 8x less than the originals? Because people don't pay extra to go replay something they've already done. Remasters/remakes are fan service at best, they're not something a company can live off of. Keep in mind I myself would buy the remaster if they did so, but I've done plenty of comparisons on original games to remasters sale wise, at best you make an extra small profit but it will not be anything big and they'll only entertain people for so long cause they're not progressing thevfranchise. Andromeda is progression whether it does good or bad as it's not a remake at least and shows the devs are wanting to move forward good or bad. The Last of Us and Skyrim did very well, actually. It really comes down to marketing, and how good the game is itself. If a remastered Mass Effect Trilogy were to come out about the same price as the rerelease did, with a nice graphical upgrade, and some of those pesky bugs ironed out...then yes, I think it would sell really well. Now, as to the topic... Would they announce it? Er...possibly. There ARE cases of when a franchise has been tainted beyond what is acceptable, and the creators, or publisher decides that it is best to distance itself entirely from the franchise...so yes, there are cases that have necessitated an 'end' to that particular franchise. However, contrary to popular belief, Mass Effect is FAR from dead, and certainly NOT tainted enough to warrant ending the franchise. Lets be honest, with enough improvements to the base game through patches, a positive marketing spin, and improved DLC can easily raise this franchise out of the doldrums it has fallen into. It ISN'T a horrible or bad game...it ain't stellar, but it is no where NEAR as bad as it's been portrayed. Now, they didn't officially announce an end to SimCity (ouch), Command & Conquer, Dead Space, or Rock Band (though Rock Band actually was revived under Harmonix, and seems to be doing pretty well), so take it with a grain of salt. However, based on what little sales data ANYONE has been able to get a hold of ( SPOILER: it ain't much), the game seems have done well. It seems to be more criticism than sales that are behind the 'hiatus' claims (did EA even confirm or deny that? Or just the talking heads?), and if that is the case then it would be a retool, not cancelation. Though in light of Mass Effect 3s ending, you have to wonder if it was basically a case of 'Torch the Franchise and Run', as there was no way to really follow after the ending without declaring an official canon (and who REALLY wants to wake that beast, eh?). I know some already declare that Andromeda COULDN'T happened (really, because all they had to do was keep it a secret from Shepard...who was too busy punching/shooting/hooking up with aliens to really notice or care...lets see, stop the Reapers, nail the Quarian, shoot Vorcha...schedule is pretty full there, not much time to do much else...oh, is that QUASAR!?!!?) because no one talked about it, but there was an entire galaxy of stuff happening all the time. Can't know everything...still, right after ME3 comes out, Casey Hudson starts up Project Dylan, and assigns the NEXT Mass Effect to an untested studio? Was he TRYING to kill off Mass Effect...? Gotta wonder... i doubt ea would have approved 40 mill for a torch job.
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Post by Darkstarr11 on Jun 22, 2017 1:31:20 GMT
The Last of Us and Skyrim did very well, actually. It really comes down to marketing, and how good the game is itself. If a remastered Mass Effect Trilogy were to come out about the same price as the rerelease did, with a nice graphical upgrade, and some of those pesky bugs ironed out...then yes, I think it would sell really well. Now, as to the topic... Would they announce it? Er...possibly. There ARE cases of when a franchise has been tainted beyond what is acceptable, and the creators, or publisher decides that it is best to distance itself entirely from the franchise...so yes, there are cases that have necessitated an 'end' to that particular franchise. However, contrary to popular belief, Mass Effect is FAR from dead, and certainly NOT tainted enough to warrant ending the franchise. Lets be honest, with enough improvements to the base game through patches, a positive marketing spin, and improved DLC can easily raise this franchise out of the doldrums it has fallen into. It ISN'T a horrible or bad game...it ain't stellar, but it is no where NEAR as bad as it's been portrayed. Now, they didn't officially announce an end to SimCity (ouch), Command & Conquer, Dead Space, or Rock Band (though Rock Band actually was revived under Harmonix, and seems to be doing pretty well), so take it with a grain of salt. However, based on what little sales data ANYONE has been able to get a hold of ( SPOILER: it ain't much), the game seems have done well. It seems to be more criticism than sales that are behind the 'hiatus' claims (did EA even confirm or deny that? Or just the talking heads?), and if that is the case then it would be a retool, not cancelation. Though in light of Mass Effect 3s ending, you have to wonder if it was basically a case of 'Torch the Franchise and Run', as there was no way to really follow after the ending without declaring an official canon (and who REALLY wants to wake that beast, eh?). I know some already declare that Andromeda COULDN'T happened (really, because all they had to do was keep it a secret from Shepard...who was too busy punching/shooting/hooking up with aliens to really notice or care...lets see, stop the Reapers, nail the Quarian, shoot Vorcha...schedule is pretty full there, not much time to do much else...oh, is that QUASAR!?!!?) because no one talked about it, but there was an entire galaxy of stuff happening all the time. Can't know everything...still, right after ME3 comes out, Casey Hudson starts up Project Dylan, and assigns the NEXT Mass Effect to an untested studio? Was he TRYING to kill off Mass Effect...? Gotta wonder... i doubt ea would have approved 40 mill for a torch job. Fair point, but they probably didn't think Hudson was going to bail on them either...well, MAYBE they did, but they also let him hand off Mass Effect to a studio that was NOT prepared to handle the task. Plus, he wouldn't have told them if he'd been intending to do so...that'd have ruined it. Of course, I'm just spitballing at this point...but he did get Drew Karpyshyn to write for Anthem...so he was obviously putting his best into the new franchise. Again, speculation...tired, exhausted and barely realistic speculation...but there it is. I could be totally wrong on all counts...I have been before.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 22, 2017 1:40:52 GMT
Nope, which is why all the talk of it being dead and even the hiatus talk feels so absurd. It was like jumping to a conclusion that was never really supported. If they wouldn't say that the franchise is done, why are people reporting it is? The logic there just doesn't work. It's insane actually and drummed up by a bunch of haters or to generate clicks from a bunch of haters. EA has made DLC for Titanfall 2 and it wasn't exactly a smash hit for them. EA will milk a franchise for all it's worth and Mass Effect is still a cash cow for them in other medias beyond video games.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 22, 2017 2:03:47 GMT
Personally, I think the fan base should just stop trying to tell Bioware how to run the business end of their business. It's up to their Board of Directors when they decide to announce and when. Bioware shouldn't have to coddle their fans all the time... Fans who do seem to be inordinately insecure. Do I ever agree with this! The fans have been the biggest turn-off for me regarding MEA. Not the game itself. Just the people complaining and demanding things they don't deserve imo. No kidding! IMHO BioWare should stop listening to their so-called "fans" because they will never be able to please them and they are in a constant "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situations even when the criticism has valid points those are constantly drowned out by the their so-called "fans" (you know: the angry entitled hardcore gamer trolls) which is constantly putting their all their games, and regardless of what you think of their overall quality, against a growing and dangerous mob mentally that is causing more harm than good. That is not just hurting BioWare and EA but is hurting every aspect of the entire video game industry and all of video game culture across the board.
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Do I ever agree with this! The fans have been the biggest turn-off for me regarding MEA. Not the game itself. Just the people complaining and demanding things they don't deserve imo. No kidding! IMHO BioWare should stop listening to their so-called "fans" because they will never be able to please them and they are in a constant "damned if you do and damned if you don't" situations even when the criticism has valid points those are constantly drowned out by the their so-called "fans" (you know: the angry entitled hardcore gamer trolls) which is constantly putting their all their games, and regardless of what you think of their overall quality, against a growing and dangerous mob mentally that is causing more harm than good. That is not just hurting BioWare and EA but is hurting every aspect of the entire video game industry and all of video game culture across the board. Yeah and the more they give in, the worse those people will get thinking they can walk all over them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:07:36 GMT
Personally, I think the fan base should just stop trying to tell Bioware how to run the business end of their business. It's up to their Board of Directors what they decide to announce and when. Bioware shouldn't have to coddle their fans all the time... Fans who do seem to be inordinately insecure. It's like the fan base wants Bioware to raise their hand to ask every time the CEO might even be thinking about taking a P*ss. not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Which is such a shitty hateful thing to do. BW at one time clearly had some very mentally unstable fans who now hate them. I am wondering if there might be a link between relationship roleplaying and batshit crazy. Not that everyone who relationship roleplays is batshit crazy, but if you catch them during their formative years it might increase the odds exponentially if there were any hints of instability to begin with.
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not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Which is such a shitty hateful thing to do. BW at one time clearly had some very mentally unstable fans who now hate them. I am wondering if there might be a link between relationship roleplaying and batshit crazy. Not that everyone who relationship roleplays is batshit crazy, but if you catch them during their formative years it might increase the odds exponentially if there were any hints of instability to begin with. I play games for the enjoyment of them, but after getting wrapped up in the romance drama here, I do worry for some people's mental state regarding video game romances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:11:19 GMT
I guess if we're talking about Internet Dignity (which is 10 points to every 1 point IRL Dignity), but if you're a big naysayer from the start, you benefit either way, since you either get a good product, or I-Told-You-So privileges. I wish people could just enjoy the game and those who don't just go somewhere else lol I mean this is the MEA section, so why are so many MEA haters posting in it if they hate it that much? They are stuck in their anger and hate and perhaps lack the coping skills to find ways to feel better and move on. I also think it's mood related. I wonder if there could be depression issues involved. Seems like the ability to process emotions and move on is limited. There is definitely some lack in coping skills in anyone who stays stuck on anger or any unpleasant emotion if they aren't dealing with depression as a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 2:14:06 GMT
I wish people could just enjoy the game and those who don't just go somewhere else lol I mean this is the MEA section, so why are so many MEA haters posting in it if they hate it that much? They are stuck in their anger and hate and perhaps lack the coping skills to find ways to feel better and move on. I also think it's mood related. I wonder if there could be depression issues involved. Seems like the ability to process emotions and move on is limited. There is definitely some lack in coping skills in anyone who stays stuck on anger or any unpleasant emotion if they aren't dealing with depression as a factor. I've been abused and accused over a romance in the game for 4 months. I am stalked and hounded by said people and attacked if I say one thing wrong, so yeah, something's not right for sure and today I snapped and I am done being nice, while letting them abuse me. They affected my health here and over a bloody romance in a game!
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Post by xassantex on Jun 22, 2017 2:25:12 GMT
They are stuck in their anger and hate and perhaps lack the coping skills to find ways to feel better and move on. I also think it's mood related. I wonder if there could be depression issues involved. Seems like the ability to process emotions and move on is limited. There is definitely some lack in coping skills in anyone who stays stuck on anger or any unpleasant emotion if they aren't dealing with depression as a factor. I've been abused and accused over a romance in the game for 4 months. I am stalked and hounded by said people and attacked if I say one thing wrong, so yeah, something's not right for sure and today I snapped and I am done being nice, while letting them abuse me. They affected my health here and over a bloody romance in a game! BW forums: 'Abandon hope all ye who enter here'
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jun 22, 2017 2:27:36 GMT
Which is such a shitty hateful thing to do. BW at one time clearly had some very mentally unstable fans who now hate them. I am wondering if there might be a link between relationship roleplaying and batshit crazy. Not that everyone who relationship roleplays is batshit crazy, but if you catch them during their formative years it might increase the odds exponentially if there were any hints of instability to begin with. I play games for the enjoyment of them, but after getting wrapped up in the romance drama here, I do worry for some people's mental state regarding video game romances. It's not just video games but all parts of pop culture. I'm lifelong Transformers fan, I have zero interest in the fifth film and that whole universe. I don't need to complain because I got damn near all the cartoon shows that have been officially released in the US on DVD and/or Blu-Ray. I got close to 2 year backlog of TF comics that I keep meaning to read. I got enough toys to last me 6 lifetimes (and still want more) and I got 3 decent video games that I can play on my consoles with little or no trouble, and why should I focus my time and money on one part of franchise that I don't like and why should I piss off the fans that do enjoy those movies when I got so much more stuff that I do love and that does give me enjoyment and waste my time whining about how much I don't like Bay's films?
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