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Post by yeah rip on Jun 26, 2017 13:21:46 GMT
For me, life is a both and proposition of biology and social behavior. That relation is deeply intertwined and unseverable. Today western society is all solely about what you feel and feelings can override biology anytime anywhere. Does Bioware make use of the new social mantra, yes they do. In the end, it is not about who is wrong or right, social engineering is as old as humanity, ignoring that fact is. no. Gender roles and conspet is a cultural thing not a genie consept. That means it's subjective.not every culture has the same definition on what actions makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Sex and gender are not the samething. Added there us no issue with people being what ever gender they want. No one is being hurt by being a different gender then there sex. What you mean by "gender" is better described as gender stereotypes. I was the biggest tomboy in my childhood/teens, but now I'm more girly - that doesn't mean that I used to be a boy but now became a girl. In a culture where man is seen as the default breadwinner, a stay-at-home-dad would still be seen as a man. I agree with bizantura about the western society - it's all about the feels and being special.
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Post by warrior on Jun 26, 2017 13:36:58 GMT
For me, life is a both and proposition of biology and social behavior. That relation is deeply intertwined and unseverable. Today western society is all solely about what you feel and feelings can override biology anytime anywhere. Does Bioware make use of the new social mantra, yes they do. In the end, it is not about who is wrong or right, social engineering is as old as humanity, ignoring that fact is. There isn't anything new or Western about gayness or transgenderism. You don't have any way of knowing that these aren't as "old as humanity." What we do know is that these have existed long before "today's society." Ever heard of this thing called The Closet, where LGBTQ people hide for fear of violence, abandonment, or death? In today's western society, it is a little easier to come out. Not that people aren't still murdered for it. Anyway, in the end, it's not about what you think about sex and gender, LGBTQ people exist and have the right to exist. You don't have to do a gay romance in a BioWare game or talk to Hainly Abrams in MEA if you don't want to.
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Post by bizantura on Jun 26, 2017 13:51:56 GMT
For me, life is a both and proposition of biology and social behavior. That relation is deeply intertwined and unseverable. Today western society is all solely about what you feel and feelings can override biology anytime anywhere. Does Bioware make use of the new social mantra, yes they do. In the end, it is not about who is wrong or right, social engineering is as old as humanity, ignoring that fact is. There isn't anything new or Western about gayness or transgenderism. You don't have any way of knowing that these aren't as "old as humanity." What we do know is that these have existed long before "today's society." Ever heard of this thing called The Closet, where LGBTQ people hide for fear of violence, abandonment, or death? In today's western society, it is a little easier to come out. Not that people aren't still murdered for it. Anyway, in the end, it's not about what you think about sex and gender, LGBTQ people exist and have the right to exist. You don't have to do a gay romance in a BioWare game or talk to Hainly Abrams in MEA if you don't want to. Were did I state LGBTQ people have no right to exist? And frankly no you don't know what I think but you assume a lot and end all discussion with DEAL WITH IT!
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Post by warrior on Jun 26, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
I'm really curious to hear more about this, and for some examples, because I have no idea what you mean. I found MEA writing weak but don't see how it relates to SJW--explain? It's not easy to pick out specific examples. The good and evil in this game are very clearly defined, you cannot offend anyone and no one offends you personally, people challenge authority but don't challenge ideas, the relationship in the crew cannot be professional, it is friendly and personal by default, every individual that talks about anything remotely emotionally charged takes extra steps to be super careful, considerate and accepting. I guess one example that I really remember as a wtf moment was when I just recruited Peebee and wanted to talk to her. I selected something neutral as a conversation starter and it ended up being something like: ''I was hoping you would be willing to open up more.'' And that got me really confused as to why is my default convo starter with a new squadmate, that I know nothing about yet, trying to get to know them as a person on deeper level and only if they don't mind. Something like that. The feeling I got from this game is akin to a feeling of mild cultural shock. I definitely agree that everyone in this game is too nice and conflict avoidant and mushy. I didn't attribute it to this SJW thing, though -- it just felt like they were going for a particular tone. That GoTG and Star Trekky tone that others have pointed out.
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Post by warrior on Jun 26, 2017 14:13:15 GMT
There isn't anything new or Western about gayness or transgenderism. You don't have any way of knowing that these aren't as "old as humanity." What we do know is that these have existed long before "today's society." Ever heard of this thing called The Closet, where LGBTQ people hide for fear of violence, abandonment, or death? In today's western society, it is a little easier to come out. Not that people aren't still murdered for it. Anyway, in the end, it's not about what you think about sex and gender, LGBTQ people exist and have the right to exist. You don't have to do a gay romance in a BioWare game or talk to Hainly Abrams in MEA if you don't want to. Were did I state LGBTQ people have no right to exist? And frankly no you don't know what I think but you assume a lot and end all discussion with DEAL WITH IT! "For me, life is a both and proposition of biology and social behavior. That relation is deeply intertwined and unseverable. Today western society is all solely about what you feel and feelings can override biology anytime anywhere." I assume when you write something like this that you believe that biological sex determines gender, and thus should determine gender behavior, and, thus, that you don't appreciate that today it seems "feelings can override biology" in Western society (and in BioWare games, which makes use of "this new social mantra"). Is this not what you meant? If so, insisting that biological sex determines gender and gender behaviors is pretty much an outright denial that LGBTQ people actually exist... which is why I framed it that way. But, regardless, if you agree that LGBTQ people have the right to be in your cultural venues, in video games or otherwise, then we don't really have a problem.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 26, 2017 14:14:25 GMT
I think it was probably me. I quite literally went from game 1 into my second play through where I didn't save the scouts. In my third game, NG+, I did and proceeded to doink around after the credits because I had skipped some planetary quests. So, to be honest, it was probably all my own doing...but I'll go with your suggestion and presume it wasn't me. Saving face and all of that... Haha there's so much patch 1.08 added that I wouldn't be surprised! After this revelation I give it a few hours before "he who shall not be named" comes in and says, "told ya! The VA's aren't recording dlc just the patch."
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 26, 2017 14:42:35 GMT
no. Gender roles and conspet is a cultural thing not a genie consept. That means it's subjective.not every culture has the same definition on what actions makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Sex and gender are not the samething. Added there us no issue with people being what ever gender they want. No one is being hurt by being a different gender then there sex. What you mean by "gender" is better described as gender stereotypes. I was the biggest tomboy in my childhood/teens, but now I'm more girly - that doesn't mean that I used to be a boy but now became a girl. In a culture where man is seen as the default breadwinner, a stay-at-home-dad would still be seen as a man. I agree with bizantura about the western society - it's all about the feels and being special. you missed my point. It's a matter of choice. Most issue people have Transgender is based on gender stereotypes. It's not about feeling special(though at it's worst and it's extremestill people would want it to be that way.) It's about feeling safe being who you. You as a woman has no fear of being or dressing feminine with no real fear of major attack or assult. But if some one born male tries it the have to really watch their back we they do so.
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Post by warrior on Jun 26, 2017 15:02:18 GMT
What you mean by "gender" is better described as gender stereotypes. I was the biggest tomboy in my childhood/teens, but now I'm more girly - that doesn't mean that I used to be a boy but now became a girl. In a culture where man is seen as the default breadwinner, a stay-at-home-dad would still be seen as a man. I agree with bizantura about the western society - it's all about the feels and being special. youis my point. It's a matter of choice. Most issue people have Transgender is based on gender stereotypes. It's not about feeling special(though at it's worst and it's extremestill people would want it to be that way.) It's about feeling safe being who you. You as a woman has no fear of being or dressing feminine with no real fear of major attack or assult. But if some one born male tries it the have to really watch their back we they do so. Trans people have a very high suicide attempt rate compared to other populations. about 40% report they have attempted it. so yeah, it's not about feeling special / it's about feeling safe.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jun 26, 2017 15:08:21 GMT
... If I went Addison's route I would look like Morticia Addams meets Frank N. Furter. So, how you doin'?
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 26, 2017 15:21:59 GMT
Ya know after all the trolling and gate around here I found this on Tumblr and it just put so much in prospective.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 26, 2017 15:36:29 GMT
"I FAIL TO SEE HOW THIS GAME IS "SJW PROPOGANDA" CAUSE IT IS NOT and those who claim it is have not played the game
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 26, 2017 15:38:08 GMT
WellI I guess that depends on the person. I consider them females(I know it's not correct) so I consider the reporter and Lexi as straight asari. If you consider them niether male or female or both I guess it doesn't really matter unless they into only oher asari. the way i view asari is they are female. They give birth. They have the equipment. Its just they can mate with other females...and across species. Plus boobs. they are mammals. bring the milk baby!
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 26, 2017 15:54:15 GMT
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Post by dawnold on Jun 26, 2017 15:59:05 GMT
I haven't played any of the ME games yet but it sounds like the Asari are... both genders? they can have inter-species relations so one has to get the other one preggers right? So despite both appearing female one would have assume the "male" role in that procreation.... unless they both get preggers? I guess it might also depend on where the blue babies come from.
---- Anyway this is in regards to my post from yesterday. You guys said that it's impossible to play as the original default fem Ryder. What if: I create the default Ryder before installing the latest patch? Afterwards I'll install 1.08. Will the newest patch override my pre-existing character's appearance to the new default setting? I really like the original fem Ryder so if there's anyway to get as close to that look on PS4 I'd like to find out before I pick up the game. Gotta be prepared you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 16:10:40 GMT
I haven't played any of the ME games yet but it sounds like the Asari are... both genders? they can have inter-species relations so one has to get the other one preggers right? So despite both appearing female one would have assume the "male" role in that procreation.... unless they both get preggers? I guess it might also depend on where the blue babies come from. ---- Anyway this is in regards to my post from yesterday. You guys said that it's impossible to play as the original default fem Ryder. What if: I create the default Ryder before installing the latest patch? Afterwards I'll install 1.08. Will the newest patch override my pre-existing character's appearance to the new default setting? I really like the original fem Ryder so if there's anyway to get as close to that look on PS4 I'd like to find out before I pick up the game. Gotta be prepared you know. Using the new preset 10 with default Sara's face (patch lets us use any complexions we want from the other presets), I made my own version. People say she looks a lot like her model too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 16:17:23 GMT
I haven't played any of the ME games yet but it sounds like the Asari are... both genders? they can have inter-species relations so one has to get the other one preggers right? So despite both appearing female one would have assume the "male" role in that procreation.... unless they both get preggers? I guess it might also depend on where the blue babies come from. ---- Anyway this is in regards to my post from yesterday. You guys said that it's impossible to play as the original default fem Ryder. What if: I create the default Ryder before installing the latest patch? Afterwards I'll install 1.08. Will the newest patch override my pre-existing character's appearance to the new default setting? I really like the original fem Ryder so if there's anyway to get as close to that look on PS4 I'd like to find out before I pick up the game. Gotta be prepared you know. There is a bit of lore concerning Asari with both Asari parents, but the lore always state that Asari are mono-gender, all female, and all Asari can enter matron stage of development to produce babies. I would not delve deeper into it than "they are blue babes from outer space." And i wish you good fun with ME games. They are truly fun imo.
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Post by dreman999 on Jun 26, 2017 16:26:33 GMT
I haven't played any of the ME games yet but it sounds like the Asari are... both genders? they can have inter-species relations so one has to get the other one preggers right? So despite both appearing female one would have assume the "male" role in that procreation.... unless they both get preggers? I guess it might also depend on where the blue babies come from. ---- Anyway this is in regards to my post from yesterday. You guys said that it's impossible to play as the original default fem Ryder. What if: I create the default Ryder before installing the latest patch? Afterwards I'll install 1.08. Will the newest patch override my pre-existing character's appearance to the new default setting? I really like the original fem Ryder so if there's anyway to get as close to that look on PS4 I'd like to find out before I pick up the game. Gotta be prepared you know. There is a bit of lore concerning Asari with both Asari parents, but the lore always state that Asari are mono-gender, all female, and all Asari can enter matron stage of development to produce babies. I would not delve deeper into it than "they are blue babes from outer space." And i wish you good fun with ME games. They are truly fun imo. an asari can have babies any time they want after adolescent. They mostly have them in their matron stage and not as much in there matriarch stage. The stages in a asari's life are about mental maturity not sexual maturity. Though they are still monogender that monogender is still female. The just don't have any cultural base around it.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 26, 2017 16:29:22 GMT
For me, life is a both and proposition of biology and social behavior. That relation is deeply intertwined and unseverable. Today western society is all solely about what you feel and feelings can override biology anytime anywhere. Does Bioware make use of the new social mantra, yes they do. In the end, it is not about who is wrong or right, social engineering is as old as humanity, ignoring that fact is. no. Gender roles and conspet is a cultural thing not a genie consept. That means it's subjective.not every culture has the same definition on what actions makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Sex and gender are not the samething.Added there us no issue with people being what ever gender they want. No one is being hurt by being a different gender then there sex. Nope.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jun 26, 2017 16:32:59 GMT
the way i view asari is they are female. They give birth. They have the equipment. Its just they can mate with other females...and across species. Plus boobs. they are mammals. bring the milk baby! I still secretly hope they're poison glands or where asari brains are or something. Just because modified sweat glands that secrete fatty liquid for the nourishment of young, let alone those inflated with additional fat to be used as a sexual display, doesn't seem like it'd be a super common adaptation. But I've said a few words about Bioware's biology in the past, and... Well, it's just one of those things in fiction.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 26, 2017 16:38:01 GMT
Plus boobs. they are mammals. bring the milk baby! I still secretly hope they're poison glands or where asari brains are or something. Just because modified sweat glands that secrete fatty liquid for the nourishment of young, let alone those inflated with additional fat to be used as a sexual display, doesn't seem like it'd be a super common adaptation. But I've said a few words about Bioware's biology in the past, and... Well, it's just one of those things in fiction. Yes, trying to place logical/biological/scientific consistency to the majority of Bioware game elements (including the Asari) is a fool's errand.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jun 26, 2017 16:41:24 GMT
And now that we know Peebee has nipples, any argument that they're not just boobs (as we know them) is probably over.
ALAS. COULD HAVE BEEN EEZO NODULES.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 26, 2017 16:49:29 GMT
no. Gender roles and conspet is a cultural thing not a genie consept. That means it's subjective.not every culture has the same definition on what actions makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Sex and gender are not the samething.Added there us no issue with people being what ever gender they want. No one is being hurt by being a different gender then there sex. Nope. I will not get into this here but that video is completely wrong. There are plenty of facts to dispute that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 16:52:58 GMT
Sure are a lot of people failing to see things these days. So be it. The cycle culture war continues. From behind your keyboard. Hi, my name's Lawfare. I don't think you know what my name means.
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Post by warrior on Jun 26, 2017 16:55:27 GMT
no. Gender roles and conspet is a cultural thing not a genie consept. That means it's subjective.not every culture has the same definition on what actions makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Sex and gender are not the samething.Added there us no issue with people being what ever gender they want. No one is being hurt by being a different gender then there sex. Nope. Bruh.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 26, 2017 17:05:15 GMT
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