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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 24, 2017 17:02:29 GMT
I don't even know if it is a good idea to start this thread. It probably isn't in all honesty but of all the criticisms leveled at this game (some valid, some not so much) this has to be the single dumbest simply because it isn't in the actual game itself or at least not anything really noticable. Yet the derp brigade insists that there is some sort of "sjw conspiracy" going on with this game yet they never offer proof to back their crap up. Usually it is something like "herr derr I don't like how default Sara looks" or "the cc was deliberately designed to stop me from making a hot chick" or some other dumb crap like that. I am generally not a fan of sjws but I suspect some of these idiots have a much broader definition of "sjw" than I do. Fortuately it isn't as bad here as even those that don't like the game usually don't fall back on the "it's sjw" routine (though they do pop up once in a while). Yet we have all run across these idiots in different parts of the internet. Youtube for example is infested with them. What I want to know where is the damn actual proof that this game in and of itself is "sjw propoganda".
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Post by Fredward on Jun 24, 2017 17:05:19 GMT
The people who brand the game "SJW propaganda" are the type to do so at any level of inclusivity. Plus, many of them react to Bioware like a dogwhistle, actual engagement of the game is not necessary for their virtue signalling.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 24, 2017 17:09:23 GMT
The people who brand the game "SJW propaganda" are the type to do so at any level of inclusivity. Plus, many of them react to Bioware like a dogwhistle, actual engagement of the game is not necessary for their virtue signalling. Yeah it is something I have noticed as well. It's funny because inclusiveness has always been a big part of science fiction. These guys would have hated the original Star Trek.
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Post by kino on Jun 24, 2017 17:13:28 GMT
Yeah, I saw that accusation thrown around after launch a couple of times and, like most of those statements, just dismissed it. You're not going to change the mind of someone who believes that so I don't even try, especially on the Internet.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 24, 2017 17:17:31 GMT
I don't see any signs of SJW propaganda. Progressiveness, sure, but that's not the same thing. SJW and their opposites (don't think there's a convenient term for them) aren't reasonable to talk to. I doubt they have much input in the creation of this game (other than that one super racist guy that works for BioWare - but if he got his way the humans would all look decidedly darker and that hasn't happened).
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Post by warrior on Jun 24, 2017 17:28:25 GMT
LOLOL no, probably not a good idea.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 24, 2017 17:35:34 GMT
The people who are calling it SJW propoganda are SJWs aswell, they are two sides of the same coin. They both love to play identity politics and cry about how they are being oppressed by the other when they are not. They are just as a bad as people they hate like Anita Sarkeesian. She bitch about not being about to men booty in Batman games(when they clearly show Nightwings but it doesn't fit her agenda) and they cry about Cora's hair. Anyways like most Bioware games MEA is progressive but I wouldn't call it SJW propogranda.
I remember a youtuber saying female main characters are a communist conspricy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 17:37:42 GMT
I don't even know if it is a good idea to start this thread. It probably isn't in all honesty but of all the criticisms leveled at this game (some valid, some not so much) this has to be the single dumbest simply because it isn't in the actual game itself or at least not anything really noticable. Yet the derp brigade insists that there is some sort of "sjw conspiracy" going on with this game yet they never offer proof to back their crap up. Usually it is something like "herr derr I don't like how default Sara looks" or "the cc was deliberately designed to stop me from making a hot chick" or some other dumb crap like that. I am generally not a fan of sjws but I suspect some of these idiots have a much broader definition of "sjw" than I do. Fortuately it isn't as bad as here as even those that don't like the game usually don't fall back on the "it's sjw" routine (though they do pop up once in a while). Yet we have all run across these idiots in different parts of the internet. Youtube for example is infested with them. What I want to know where is the damn actual proof that this game in and of itself is "sjw propoganda". There is no proof because it ´ s all bullshit. They can ´ t back it up or explain it, because it has no explanation. Every time I see some stupid comments about this I just roll my eyes. It ´ s just one of the parts of hate train against MEA. I think basically these trolls are just used to look at women like sexual objects and playthings which, in their eyes, should exist only for their own amusement. MEA didn ´ t provide this for them to the extent they expected, so they are angry and insult women who don ´ t look like their dream bimbos. They don ´ t like how default Sara looks? Too bad. I think she looks great.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 24, 2017 17:38:25 GMT
I wouldn't worry about it, honestly. The more people say "SJW", the less meaning it tends to have.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jun 24, 2017 17:46:06 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 17:51:52 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness. This.
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 24, 2017 18:08:16 GMT
I don't see any signs of SJW propaganda. Progressiveness, sure, but that's not the same thing. SJW and their opposites (don't think there's a convenient term for them) aren't reasonable to talk to. I doubt they have much input in the creation of this game (other than that one super racist guy that works for BioWare - but if he got his way the humans would all look decidedly darker and that hasn't happened). Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though.
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Post by Serza on Jun 24, 2017 18:09:08 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness. I dunno, I usually can't laugh when facing absolute idiocy. And for the record, that comes from a man who doesn't fit their definition of SJW. Probably about to be adjusted to make me fit in.
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Post by normandy on Jun 24, 2017 18:10:30 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness. The number of members in that group boggles the mind I usually skip reading if I read word SJW anywhere.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 24, 2017 18:15:45 GMT
Give me a well written character like Dorian any day of the week and I'll proudly wear the SJW moniker. The problem I think is trying to be progressive but doing so in poor taste.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 24, 2017 18:18:29 GMT
I don't see any signs of SJW propaganda. Progressiveness, sure, but that's not the same thing. SJW and their opposites (don't think there's a convenient term for them) aren't reasonable to talk to. I doubt they have much input in the creation of this game (other than that one super racist guy that works for BioWare - but if he got his way the humans would all look decidedly darker and that hasn't happened). Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. Where? Because it sounds like a conspiracy theory to me.
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Post by abaris on Jun 24, 2017 18:21:07 GMT
Nothing makes me as angry as bigotry, social hatred and wilfull stupidity and ignorance. So I better steer clear. The danger of smashing my screen is a very real one.
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Post by kino on Jun 24, 2017 18:24:43 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness. hah! I'm not gonna lie, I thought it'd have more members. Nice to see it doesn't.
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Post by warrior on Jun 24, 2017 18:25:13 GMT
BioWare have important characters who aren't hetero and participate in LGBT events, thus perceived "SJWness". For example having non-male/non-white/non-hetero/non-religious character that is important and doesn't look like a model = SJW. In case of Far Cry 5 having male/white/hetero/religious as antagonists also counts as SJW. Anyway you can have a good laugh here - steamcommunity.com/groups/SJW_Awareness. The number of members in that group boggles the mind I usually skip reading if I read word SJW anywhere. Yes if someone uses the term pejoratively anywhere near me I'm just like
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 24, 2017 18:26:20 GMT
I don't see any signs of SJW propaganda. Progressiveness, sure, but that's not the same thing. SJW and their opposites (don't think there's a convenient term for them) aren't reasonable to talk to. I doubt they have much input in the creation of this game (other than that one super racist guy that works for BioWare - but if he got his way the humans would all look decidedly darker and that hasn't happened). Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. I personally don't mind that the females aren't very attractive they not ugly ( okay vetra is) but just normal looking which is fine by me. The only times Bioware ever annoyed me was with Krem (or Kram I don't remember) and Dorian side quest. I don't care that Dorian is gay but they shouldn't have made his side quest a therapy session you, him and his father that was basically "you didn't love me cause am gay". Like out of all the shit they could have done they pick that.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 24, 2017 18:31:10 GMT
Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. I personally don't mind that the females aren't very attractive they not ugly ( okay vetra is) but just normal looking which is fine by me. The only times Bioware ever annoyed me was with Krem (or Kram I don't remember) and Dorian side quest. I don't care that Dorian is gay but they shouldn't have made his side quest a therapy session you, him and his father that was basically "you didn't love me cause am gay". Like out of all the shit they could have done they pick that. Dorian is my bro. The only portion of his story I didn't care for was when the "Revered Mother" insinuated because he was my first officer that we were somehow "intertwined". I romanced Cass every playthrough but Dorian and Varric and Sera were my forever inner circle.
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Post by abaris on Jun 24, 2017 18:33:58 GMT
Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. The presets in any game are usually ugly as fuck. Male and female. And not only in Bioware games. It's easier to create Gorilla Nate in FO4 than it is to create a handsome one. Same goes for Scott with the added option of being able to create Clown Gorilla Scott. It's not a new phenomenon that character creation takes a lot of work or folks providing preset tables. That's also the reason why there are lots of face databanks for different games. Why they home in on MEA escpecially is beyond me. Game companies have never provided appealing facial presets. Do you remember the fisheyed Femshep with the added bonus of a Cyrano nose in ME2?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2017 18:35:08 GMT
The prime difference to an SJW and a non SJW character is if they are defined by their...for lack of a better term...minority trait. Take dorian for instance. We do not find out his sexuality until.much later. Sure its important to his arc. But not the most important.
Funnily enough i had a conversation once where they were complaining about bioware sjw and dorian and when i pointed out liara was bi they were like...'such things do not exists'
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Post by decafhigh on Jun 24, 2017 18:35:24 GMT
Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. I personally don't mind that the females aren't very attractive they not ugly ( okay vetra is) but just normal looking which is fine by me. The only times Bioware ever annoyed me was with Krem (or Kram I don't remember) and Dorian side quest. I don't care that Dorian is gay but they shouldn't have made his side quest a therapy session you, him and his father that was basically "you didn't love me cause am gay". Like out of all the shit they could have done they pick that. I didn't play whatever game Krem/Kram or Dorian were in, but that is a rather topical point for people along the LGBT spectrum. Like I said, didn't play it so I can't say how good or bad of a job BW did in covering that topic, but I don't see that as particularly SJW'ish. I was talking about randomly having characters announce to you their transgenderness or random discussion about pronouns from a species that doesn't use them. Things that are clearly only in the game so BW can virtue signal rather than as part of world and character building. The fact they tend to do these instances rather badly just makes it worse.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 24, 2017 18:39:06 GMT
I personally don't mind that the females aren't very attractive they not ugly ( okay vetra is) but just normal looking which is fine by me. The only times Bioware ever annoyed me was with Krem (or Kram I don't remember) and Dorian side quest. I don't care that Dorian is gay but they shouldn't have made his side quest a therapy session you, him and his father that was basically "you didn't love me cause am gay". Like out of all the shit they could have done they pick that. Dorian is my bro. The only portion of his story I didn't care for was when the "Revered Mother" insinuated because he was my first officer that we were somehow "intertwined". I romanced Cass every playthrough but Dorian and Varric and Sera were my forever inner circle. He one my favorites too but I just couldn't stand his side quest. They could have done a number a things with him but they decided it would be the best time for him to tell us that he is gay like you seriously couldn't have just said so before when you was telling how much of a rebel you are back home
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