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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 24, 2017 19:36:11 GMT
I don't see any signs of SJW propaganda. Progressiveness, sure, but that's not the same thing. SJW and their opposites (don't think there's a convenient term for them) aren't reasonable to talk to. I doubt they have much input in the creation of this game (other than that one super racist guy that works for BioWare - but if he got his way the humans would all look decidedly darker and that hasn't happened). Oh its there. Why bother denying it? The only one that annoys me is the way the female characters turned out, other than that I don't mind what they included in the game. Denying it seems a little silly though. Care to point it out? Because, honestly, I'm not seeing it.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 24, 2017 19:41:56 GMT
Clearly you have high levels of gif midichlorians I was not prepared for.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jun 24, 2017 19:47:06 GMT
Faceman hates my internet.
Though watching gifs try to load in stop-motion is always hilarious.
Anyway, the whole SJW thing baffles me because most people are in the middle and want the same thing (games that are representative of a broad spectrum without being patronizing* as all getout), but somehow all you hear is the pants-on-head-shrill-lunatic brigade from either side... Usually completely oversimplifying the other peoples' points of view for the sake of cheapshots.
*Oh snap, I used a negative gendered term in this debate I'm sorry it's just such a good word I'm not the sexist
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 24, 2017 19:49:58 GMT
Faceman hates my internet. Though watching gifs try to load in stop-motion is always hilarious. Anyway, the whole SJW thing baffles me because most people are in the middle and want the same thing (games that are representative of a broad spectrum without being patronizing* as all getout), but somehow all you hear is the pants-on-head-shrill-lunatic brigade from either side... Usually completely oversimplifying the other peoples' points of view for the sake of cheapshots. *Oh snap, I used a negative gendered term in this debate I'm sorry it's just such a good word I'm not the sexist Give me a thousand Dorians/Seras/Vivs than the vanilla we got in MEA squaddies.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 24, 2017 19:55:10 GMT
WellI I guess that depends on the person. I consider them females(I know it's not correct) so I consider the reporter and Lexi as straight asari. If you consider them niether male or female or both I guess it doesn't really matter unless they into only oher asari. the way i view asari is they are female. They give birth. They have the equipment. Its just they can mate with other females...and across species. For me, a "straight" asari would be one that mates with other females, since asari are female in comparison to races with binary sexes. I suppose a "gay" asari would be one who mates exclusively with males. A good number of them seem bisexual since the sex of the other partner doesn't matter when it comes to mating (which isn't always what the sex is about).
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2017 20:04:53 GMT
Honestly as far as trans characters are concerned I'm not convinced there is a good way to represent them. My hats off to the writer who figures it out. Krem in DA:I is how that should reasonably be handled. Make them normal characters and do not define them by their gender, even if they happen to be Trans. Thinking they need to stand out extra much and be special from every other npc just cause they're trans is the wrong way to go about it. In essence, making their gender alignment something that isn't treated as something out of the ordinary. i agree that they did the best but probably more improvement is needed.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 24, 2017 20:27:16 GMT
Three pages on this topic without the thread burning down? Quite impressive...
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 24, 2017 20:41:37 GMT
Yeah Dorian's easily my favorite DA character and easily one of the brightest points in Inquisition's roster. Of course, I'm also a huge Sera fan, so obviously I can't be trusted. :sure: Snarky Solas and razor wit Dorian are easily the best parts of DA:I. Viv in all her glory is a close thirdish. I really enjoy his banter, but my favorite thing about him is the dynamic you can have between him and the Inquisitor. I like that my Inquisitor can flirt with him freely as a friend without it instantly going to the "not into you" dialogue.
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Post by q5tyhj on Jun 24, 2017 20:42:55 GMT
I don't even know if it is a good idea to start this thread. It probably isn't in all honesty but of all the criticisms leveled at this game (some valid, some not so much) this has to be the single dumbest simply because it isn't in the actual game itself or at least not anything really noticable. Yet the derp brigade insists that there is some sort of "sjw conspiracy" going on with this game yet they never offer proof to back their crap up. Usually it is something like "herr derr I don't like how default Sara looks" or "the cc was deliberately designed to stop me from making a hot chick" or some other dumb crap like that. I am generally not a fan of sjws but I suspect some of these idiots have a much broader definition of "sjw" than I do. Fortuately it isn't as bad as here as even those that don't like the game usually don't fall back on the "it's sjw" routine (though they do pop up once in a while). Yet we have all run across these idiots in different parts of the internet. Youtube for example is infested with them. What I want to know where is the damn actual proof that this game in and of itself is "sjw propoganda". The "proof" is that MEA has LGBT characters, and characters, especially female ones, who are deemed unattractive. Oh, and Manveer Heir worked at Bioware. That's really all it boils down to. Sloppy, arbitrary reasoning, I know, but then again, you can't really expect anything more from anyone who uses "SJW" as a pejorative.
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Post by canticleofshartan on Jun 24, 2017 20:57:10 GMT
somehow people consider it a political statement just to include openly LGBT characters in media.
it makes no sense: nobody is trying to tell you that LGBT are somehow better than hetero people, they are just acknowledging that they frikkin EXIST, as they do in real life! that shouldnt be some kind of controversial political stance!
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 24, 2017 21:00:46 GMT
Snarky Solas and razor wit Dorian are easily the best parts of DA:I. Viv in all her glory is a close thirdish. I really enjoy his banter, but my favorite thing about him is the dynamic you can have between him and the Inquisitor. I like that my Inquisitor can flirt with him freely as a friend without it instantly going to the "not into you" dialogue. Careful. You can't be friends with someone who is gay without being gay yourself. ....
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Post by LilTIM on Jun 24, 2017 21:01:10 GMT
blog.bioware.com/2017/06/06/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-08-notes/There are more than enough evidence to show how Bioware is mediatized and pushing certain agendas in their games. If you happen to consider these agendas "social justice", then good for you. It used to be different opinions were viewed as good thing for democracy, but these days the new left just goes and bully into silence anyone who dares question them.
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Post by Garo on Jun 24, 2017 21:04:12 GMT
Depends on what you consider SJW propaganda. BioWare is for sure more concerned with being "progressive" and including that in their games, than actually making a good game. www.facebook.com/BioWare/photos/pb.136219176405690.-2207520000.1498337402./1679711528723106/?type=3&theaterBut people see something like that and praise this, not realising that if BW had such strong views on something that they would disagree on, they suddenly would start bashing this game. Also average kid who will pick this game up is not at all in the same group who they want to keiter to. But that's a very vocal minority in the west.
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Post by warrior on Jun 24, 2017 21:12:13 GMT
blog.bioware.com/2017/06/06/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-08-notes/There are more than enough evidence to show how Bioware is mediatized and pushing certain agendas in their games. If you happen to consider these agendas "social justice", then good for you. It used to be different opinions were viewed as good thing for democracy, but these days the new left just goes and bully into silence anyone who dares question them.
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Post by derrame on Jun 24, 2017 21:42:28 GMT
very simple lots of gays, color people, ugly women, trans, feminine men, an exaggerateda amount of all that compared to other games, almost no violence, no explosions, an e
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Post by vonuber on Jun 24, 2017 22:08:13 GMT
blog.bioware.com/2017/06/06/mass-effect-andromeda-patch-1-08-notes/There are more than enough evidence to show how Bioware is mediatized and pushing certain agendas in their games. If you happen to consider these agendas "social justice", then good for you. It used to be different opinions were viewed as good thing for democracy, but these days the new left just goes and bully into silence anyone who dares question them. very simple lots of gays, color people, ugly women, trans, feminine men, an exaggerateda amount of all that compared to other games, almost no violence, no explosions, an e
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very simple lots of gays, color people, ugly women, trans, feminine men
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 24, 2017 22:39:07 GMT
Three pages on this topic without the thread burning down? Quite impressive... I am shocked to. I thought after just a couple of pages you would have to lock it down. Believe me my intention with this thread was not to troll. I wanted to make an observation about the source of some of the over the top criticism this game gets which actually overshadows the more valid criticism.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 24, 2017 22:41:14 GMT
very simple lots of gays, color people, ugly women, trans, feminine men, an exaggerateda amount of all that compared to other games, almost no violence, no explosions, an e If I was one who posted gifs I would post a double facepalm gif right about now, but I am not a gif poster.
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Post by jamiecotc on Jun 24, 2017 22:55:33 GMT
Some upset w/ BW's trends are no doubt the type that used to get off on telling sandwich and kitchen jokes about femshep during the trilogy days. Not all, but some.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 24, 2017 23:03:17 GMT
There are more than enough evidence to show how Bioware is mediatized and pushing certain agendas in their games. If you happen to consider these agendas "social justice", then good for you. It used to be different opinions were viewed as good thing for democracy, but these days the new left just goes and bully into silence anyone who dares question them.I'll leave the mockery to others, and just point out that you've missed how the whole freedom-of-speech thing works. Everybody gets to express their ideas, sure, but that doesn't mean that the ideas automatically are respected. Some ideas are stupid. Some ideas are evil. Some are both. If people don't like your ideas, maybe it's because they're bad ideas.
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Post by R1Outcast on Jun 24, 2017 23:11:28 GMT
SJW is just a phrase (acronym) ignorant people use whenever they see a non-submissive minority group or woman in a game, movie, etc.
ME:A has minorities, women, transgenders, homosexuals, and actual aliens...ignorant people can't handle this and start screaming SJW.
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Post by techurious on Jun 24, 2017 23:19:03 GMT
It all comes down to the quality of writing. If your character exists solely as a walking stereotype/wikipedia and only represents a minority without having any other personality traits then it's considered to be a character created simply for SJW pandering. Example: Steve from ME3. His whole character is based on being gay. He lost his husband, is grieving and later he is ready to hook up with Shepard. He doesn't show any other traits aside from his job as an engineer and a pilot. Every interaction Shepard has with Steve is basically screaming 'romance me'. Note: I'm only talking about the main game, I haven't played the DLC. Another example is that trans character in Andromeda that just dumps a huge exposition on being a trans...no other traits. And notorious downgrade on Sara's original attractive face model.
TL;DR: Bioware probably don't do the SJW propaganda/pandering deliberately but their poor writing of certain characters representing minority makes it look like that.
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