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Post by RageUnderFire on Sept 18, 2016 14:27:25 GMT
Good idea
Maybe Milky Way comes to us instead.
Andromeda Part 2 starts with a reinforcement fleet of Alliance ships crossing into Andromeda and blowing Khet up
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 19, 2016 12:48:10 GMT
There is a strong likelihood the MW nations will have arrived in Andromeda BEFORE the Arks thanks to the wait calculation. For those not familiar with this concept: If you send a spacecraft that will take, say, 500 years to reach a distant solar system (or in this case, a distant galaxy), the rate of technological advancement means that there's a strong likelihood that the civilization that sent the spacecraft will have developed newer, faster spacecraft in that 500 year time period which are able to not just catch up to the original spacecraft but pass them and reach the intended destination long before the original spacecraft arrives. So in the context of ME:A, that means the MW nations can already be long established in the Andromeda Galaxy by the time the Arks arrive. If the Arks made the journey in something like 50 years instead, the likelihood of this happening would be much, much smaller. Of course, BioWare doesn't think very deeply about the ramifications of their plot design, so I wager this detail will be completely overlooked, if not outright ignored. It's just as likely that nobody will invent a different method of traveling between the starts for 10000 years. There is never any guarantee for continuous technological development in anything that's more than just a refinement of what's already known. So it's perfectly fine if they "overlook" this.
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Post by Ieldra on Sept 19, 2016 12:49:50 GMT
I think we'll be stuck with andromeda for the rest of the franchise, however many games that'll be. Personally I'll be trying to enter it with the mindset that it is a completely new franchise. I agree - and the more it actually is like a new world with little connection to the old one, the better.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 19, 2016 13:59:07 GMT
Having Mac Walters direct a Mass Effect game is kinda like having Zack Snyder directing a Superman movie. Or for those among you who are Star Trek fans, letting Berman and Braga be in charge of running the franchise (into the ground), letting a film editor who's never directed before take the chair on Nemesis and letting Kurtzman and Orci write the first two reboot movies. I'm still not sold on Bryan Fuller being in charge of the new series either. His track record with shows is spotty and while he's good at ideas, the execution and writing often leaves much to be desired... like reusing rejected concept art from the 70s for the main ship design?! What the heck are you doing, man?! Plus, Star Trek: Discovery has the problem of a very unfortunate acronym. *Ahem*What is with people who aren't necessarily up to the job, being always put in charge of beloved geek franchises? Has that ever worked out? They're cheaper and more easily controlled, that's why.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 19, 2016 14:15:37 GMT
Andromeda is not a solution, it is the antithesis of a solution. It creates way more problems than it solves. An actual solution would be to clean up the ME3 ending mess and eliminate the need for Andromeda in the first place. Andromeda is just BioWare's way to continue milking their fans without having to owe up to their past mistakes. For the record, the ending hatred came into existence because the ending ruined the Milky Way, and the reason the ending hatred is still burning hot as a sun is that the Milky Way remains ruined almost-five-years later because BioWare refused to un-ruin them, going as far as moving the entire franchise to a new galaxy fans don't give even half a shit for only so they can continue to milk their fans without having to un-ruin the Milky Way. People should stop buying into and parroting BioWare's "player choice is sacred" BS, especially since the previous games made it clear BioWare doesn't give and never gave two cents about player choice. A lot of people chose an all-human council in ME1. It was retconned in ME2. Did anyone give a shit? Nope. A lot of people chose to save the Collector Base, thinking it would have far-reaching consequences and allow the players to continue working with Cerberus. What happened? It gave 10 more War Assets and didn't even remotely affect Shepard's relationship with Cerberus. Did people give a shit? Nope. Not even a tenth of one percent of a shit. The endings aren't some golden geese worshipped by BioWare fans. The only people who actually, genuinely care about them are the people working at BioWare, the same people who made them and in their ignorance believed they were good. And I seriously doubt even a single fan would give even the tiniest elementary particle of a fuck if declaring the endings non-canon - including their favorite one, if they have one - meant BioWare could continue to make games set in the Milky Way. Uhm... no. The endings (and by extension the Milky Way) are FUBAR. There is no cleaning them up. Yes Bioware won't admit their mistake but this isn't news. Four years ago it might've been infuriating but now? It's over. They had one chance to come clean and fix it, and that was pre-EC, when the heat was really on, the fanbase was united and people were paying attention. Instead they divided and conquered (you can thank the "closure" people for their part in that). So, no it's done, finished. Time to move on. But if we move on, the least they can do is respect the last thing we did in that trilogy, bullshit though it may have been. They've shit on player choice and wishes in the past sure, but at least now at the end, let something stay, bullshit "art" though it may be. And for the record, it wasn't the ruination of the Milky Way that set people on fire, it was the ruination of the franchise. At the time the two were synonymous, but not anymore. As long as ME continues the way we remember and loved for 2.5 games, who gives a fuck which galaxy it fictionalizes? Have you personally visted the Hades Gamma Cluster or whatever and just loved how accurate it was to your experience? Do the names of the planets we scan or do donuts on matter? No, they do not. Home is where the heart is and as long as they get the ME "feels" (which let's face it boils a lot down to which rubber forehead alien we get to bang) it'll be Mass Effect all over again. I was skeptical this franchise could be revived, with a sequel being impossible and so many people against prequels/interquels. But against all odds, they found a way. And for that, if nothing else I'm grudgingly impressed. To respond to the topic directly, my views should be clear by now. Milky Way is done, bury it. No going back, only forward. As long as we bang, decide whether to help people or tell them to fuck off, fight legions of similar mooks and explore, roughly in that order, Mass Effect endures.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 19, 2016 14:22:59 GMT
They can go back to the Milky Way if they choose. I believe they will especially if MEA doesn't do well
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 19, 2016 14:33:04 GMT
They can go back to the Milky Way if they choose. I believe they will especially if MEA doesn't do well If they do, it'll be a mistake in my view. The reasons we can't continue in the Milky Way won't diminish with time. There's still no way to reconcile the vast differences without steamrolling overthem or ignoring them altogether.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 19, 2016 14:40:55 GMT
They can go back to the Milky Way if they choose. I believe they will especially if MEA doesn't do well If they do, it'll be a mistake in my view. The reasons we can't continue in the Milky Way won't diminish with time. There's still no way to reconcile the vast differences without steamrolling overthem or ignoring them altogether. I don't agree. It would be easy to continue in the Milky Way if they choose.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 14:43:17 GMT
They can go back to the Milky Way if they choose. I believe they will especially if MEA doesn't do well If they do, it'll be a mistake in my view. The reasons we can't continue in the Milky Way won't diminish with time. There's still no way to reconcile the vast differences without steamrolling overthem or ignoring them altogether. I agree. I think they have to be done with the Milky Way. The endings saw to that.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 14:46:36 GMT
If they do, it'll be a mistake in my view. The reasons we can't continue in the Milky Way won't diminish with time. There's still no way to reconcile the vast differences without steamrolling overthem or ignoring them altogether. I don't agree. It would be easy to continue in the Milky Way if they choose. I would say that Destroy and Control can be worked with, but Synthesis is such an abomination. There is no "fixing" that. So unless they invalidate their special ending, we can't really go back. If MEA doesn't do well, they will just try something different in the next section of this new galaxy we are exploring.
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Post by Arcian on Sept 19, 2016 16:30:36 GMT
There is a strong likelihood the MW nations will have arrived in Andromeda BEFORE the Arks thanks to the wait calculation. For those not familiar with this concept: If you send a spacecraft that will take, say, 500 years to reach a distant solar system (or in this case, a distant galaxy), the rate of technological advancement means that there's a strong likelihood that the civilization that sent the spacecraft will have developed newer, faster spacecraft in that 500 year time period which are able to not just catch up to the original spacecraft but pass them and reach the intended destination long before the original spacecraft arrives. So in the context of ME:A, that means the MW nations can already be long established in the Andromeda Galaxy by the time the Arks arrive. If the Arks made the journey in something like 50 years instead, the likelihood of this happening would be much, much smaller. Of course, BioWare doesn't think very deeply about the ramifications of their plot design, so I wager this detail will be completely overlooked, if not outright ignored. It's just as likely that nobody will invent a different method of traveling between the starts for 10000 years. There is never any guarantee for continuous technological development in anything that's more than just a refinement of what's already known. So it's perfectly fine if they "overlook" this. I'm not talking about inventing a different method, I'm talking about increasing the efficiency of the FTL technology that already exists.
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Post by Garo on Sept 19, 2016 16:33:52 GMT
I don't agree. It would be easy to continue in the Milky Way if they choose. I would say that Destroy and Control can be worked with, but Synthesis is such an abomination. There is no "fixing" that. So unless they invalidate their special ending, we can't really go back. If MEA doesn't do well, they will just try something different in the next section of this new galaxy we are exploring. Why not, say that green lights stopped being visible after some time and changes weren't *that* big, people only can do math faster. Retcons can be made.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 16:36:32 GMT
Storywise, it'd have been easier to admit that Control and Synthesis make no sense for Shepard to take (why would they ever trust the Reaper AI that gives two options that would result in their death?) and have Destroy as the canon ending of ME3. And yet you would trust the Reapers on how to kill them? "Oh yeah, shooting the thing that you built to stop us will definitely work. Once you destroy that, we'll be gone."
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 16:37:59 GMT
I would say that Destroy and Control can be worked with, but Synthesis is such an abomination. There is no "fixing" that. So unless they invalidate their special ending, we can't really go back. If MEA doesn't do well, they will just try something different in the next section of this new galaxy we are exploring. Why not, say that green lights stopped being visible after some time and changes weren't *that* big, people only can do math faster. Retcons can be made. Unfortunately, the changes WERE that big. They were talking about immortality.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 16:39:32 GMT
Why not, say that green lights stopped being visible after some time and changes weren't *that* big, people only can do math faster. Retcons can be made. Unfortunately, the changes WERE that big. They were talking about immortality. EDI mused on the prospect of them achieving immortality. She never says that actually occurred, just that it may be possible.
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Post by Garo on Sept 19, 2016 16:40:16 GMT
Why not, say that green lights stopped being visible after some time and changes weren't *that* big, people only can do math faster. Retcons can be made. Unfortunately, the changes WERE that big. They were talking about immortality. They were talking about human only council in Mass Effect 1. It's possible to retcon anything and say "I guess Catalyst was wrong!", he was already wrong about Shepard dying in destroy ending.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 16:43:00 GMT
Unfortunately, the changes WERE that big. They were talking about immortality. EDI mused on the prospect of them achieving immortality. She never says that actually occurred, just that it may be possible. I know, but that still would need to be addressed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 16:44:18 GMT
EDI mused on the prospect of them achieving immortality. She never says that actually occurred, just that it may be possible. I know, but that still would need to be addressed. Okay. "The thing she mused on didn't happen or hasn't happened yet." There, it was addressed.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 16:47:02 GMT
Unfortunately, the changes WERE that big. They were talking about immortality. They were talking about human only council in Mass Effect 1. It's possible to retcon anything and say "I guess Catalyst was wrong!", he was already wrong about Shepard dying in destroy ending. After all the backlash, I don't think they would fold now and make synthesis invalid--not after sticking to their guns like they did. Thus, I don't think they would move the story back to the Milky Way. I think they'll take it slower this time so there is more of the galaxy to explore and leave themselves room to maneuver if they mess something up like they did with the endings of ME3.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 16:48:46 GMT
I know, but that still would need to be addressed. Okay. "The thing she mused on didn't happen or hasn't happened yet." There, it was addressed. That was not the only issue with that ending, but this is not an ending discussion thread. I just brought up one issue.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 16:51:24 GMT
Okay. "The thing she mused on didn't happen or hasn't happened yet." There, it was addressed. That was not the only issue with that ending, but this is not an ending discussion thread. I just brought up one issue. There is no franchise-breaking issues with that ending. The Extended Cut leaves what happened very vague other than the broad strokes which can be handled in future games. To bring this back to the Milky Way, them leaving the Milky Way is the biggest mistake they made in the entire franchise.
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Post by Garo on Sept 19, 2016 16:57:15 GMT
Meh, I'm fine with Andromeda, actually leaving this galaxy because Reapers would be logical. But if their only reason will be: "for lulz", I'm going to be a little disappointed.
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Post by saberchic on Sept 19, 2016 17:00:01 GMT
That was not the only issue with that ending, but this is not an ending discussion thread. I just brought up one issue. There is no franchise-breaking issues with that ending. The Extended Cut leaves what happened very vague other than the broad strokes which can be handled in future games. To bring this back to the Milky Way, them leaving the Milky Way is the biggest mistake they made in the entire franchise. Leaving is the best way to fix it. Otherwise, they will have to pick an ending to make it work. Having them retcon everything is no fix--it's lazy and insulting. It would make people super angry all over again, and I really think they are going to try to stay away from that can of worms as much as possible. It's really too bad they ended ME3 as they did because they poured a lot of time and work into building the Milky Way, which is totally wasted now. Most likely, they'll stay with Andromeda but scale the access we have back. My guess is that we'll have less scope in the galaxy but deeper exploration.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 17:00:46 GMT
Meh, I'm fine with Andromeda, actually leaving this galaxy because Reapers would be logical. But if their only reason will be: "for lulz", I'm going to be a little disappointed. I disagree on going to Andromeda being the logical decision. The idea of hiding in another galaxy may be, but there are more logical candidates considering the time and resources. I guarantee they only chose Andromeda because it is more marketable.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 19, 2016 17:04:00 GMT
There is no franchise-breaking issues with that ending. The Extended Cut leaves what happened very vague other than the broad strokes which can be handled in future games. To bring this back to the Milky Way, them leaving the Milky Way is the biggest mistake they made in the entire franchise. Leaving is the best way to fix it. Otherwise, they will have to pick an ending to make it work. Having them retcon everything is no fix--it's lazy and insulting. It would make people super angry all over again, and I really think they are going to try to stay away from that can of worms as much as possible. It's really too bad they ended ME3 as they did because they poured a lot of time and work into building the Milky Way, which is totally wasted now. Most likely, they'll stay with Andromeda but scale the access we have back. My guess is that we'll have less scope in the galaxy but deeper exploration. No, it isn't. Destroying your own lore is no way to fix things. Who said anything about retcons? I certainly didn't. I said that the Extended Cut made the endings nebulous, meaning there is room to work with without retconning a thing or throwing everything away. We know that is the case. Mac Walters said that at E3 2015. This game takes place in the Helios Cluster, and each game will expand more and more into the Andromeda galaxy.
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