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Post by Anthreya on Jun 29, 2017 20:03:32 GMT
This thread is pure gold.Eat your heart out Dan Brown. :lmfao: Right?! When I went to sleep last time this thread didn ´ t even exist yet. I wonder what tomorrow might bring... More action,more drama,...brought to you by BSN
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Post by cypherj on Jun 29, 2017 20:03:39 GMT
Because you can speculate correctly a lot of times. Sometimes, you get it wrong. Just because the facts line up, doesn't make it right. Skepticism is what Kotaku sold under Gawker. You can't escape that fact. I can speculate all day and get 90% of it right. That's not journalism. Unnamed sources is a real thing, but you have to take it with skepticism. Also, it doesn't describe who the sources are in the story. Are they leads? Were they low-level developers? Out of work artists? A director who has an axe to grind? I can speculate that this story is going to get a lot right, but that doesn't make it right. Facts and credible sources are what Kotaku needs right now to shake off the Gawker stench. But that should be the case for both articles. Either you believe the author and his sources or you don't.
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Post by tarotmage on Jun 29, 2017 20:06:52 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2017 20:07:06 GMT
because one drew shit conclusion based on incomplete abd frankly contradictory information. The other just laid out the facts on the development. That doesn't make any sense. Either he's credible with credible sources or he's not. You can't say the people know what they're talking about and are telling the truth on one hand, and then say they're not credible and don't know what they're talking about on the other. it makes perfect sense and you can do that. As much as i hate doing this i have posted in great length and detail about why his original article was fake news nonsense. You can go and read it if you like. The new article makes sense because its believable and has independently verified information. We all know Andromeda had a rough development...that was nothing new. He just laid out the specifics.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 29, 2017 20:07:15 GMT
Because you can speculate correctly a lot of times. Sometimes, you get it wrong. Just because the facts line up, doesn't make it right. Skepticism is what Kotaku sold under Gawker. You can't escape that fact. I can speculate all day and get 90% of it right. That's not journalism. Unnamed sources is a real thing, but you have to take it with skepticism. Also, it doesn't describe who the sources are in the story. Are they leads? Were they low-level developers? Out of work artists? A director who has an axe to grind? I can speculate that this story is going to get a lot right, but that doesn't make it right. Facts and credible sources are what Kotaku needs right now to shake off the Gawker stench. But that should be the case for both articles. Either you believe the author and his sources or you don't. I don't think anyone's polled the responses to both articles.
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 20:07:24 GMT
If he had edited the Development Story several times after publishing it I would have been as equally skeptical of it as I was the first one. That's what bugs me; putting up an article and then modifying it on the fly as pertinent information comes in because it wasn't properly researched. At least the Development Story seemed to have some effort put in to get it right before publishing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:07:36 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon. Twitter is really getting in on it. Mostly in languages I can't read, but everyone is taking it as fact.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 20:08:39 GMT
because one drew shit conclusion based on incomplete abd frankly contradictory information. The other just laid out the facts on the development. That doesn't make any sense. Either he's credible with credible sources or he's not. You can't say the people know what they're talking about and are telling the truth on one hand, and then say they're not credible and don't know what they're talking about on the other. No, it makes perfect sense. In first article, he only reported facts as given from his source. He did not offer any personal opinion nor speculation. In second article, he completely changed his format. He started to state his opinion and speculations based on incomplete information he had received. Which also forced him to backtrack more then once.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 29, 2017 20:09:00 GMT
Because you can speculate correctly a lot of times. Sometimes, you get it wrong. Just because the facts line up, doesn't make it right. Skepticism is what Kotaku sold under Gawker. You can't escape that fact. I can speculate all day and get 90% of it right. That's not journalism. Unnamed sources is a real thing, but you have to take it with skepticism. Also, it doesn't describe who the sources are in the story. Are they leads? Were they low-level developers? Out of work artists? A director who has an axe to grind? I can speculate that this story is going to get a lot right, but that doesn't make it right. Facts and credible sources are what Kotaku needs right now to shake off the Gawker stench. But that should be the case for both articles. Either you believe the author and his sources or you don't. I don't. I speculated most of his stuff on my own. It doesn't mean I'm right. Now... let's get this party started all over again!
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Post by kino on Jun 29, 2017 20:10:04 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon. Ouch. You're braver than I. I commented on one site and then thought about how futile it'd be to attempt to correct them all.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jun 29, 2017 20:11:05 GMT
Right?! When I went to sleep last time this thread didn ´ t even exist yet. I wonder what tomorrow might bring... More action,more drama,...brought to you by BSN F*** it. I'm doing it. I don't want to spend another six months in the boonies. Ugh... life choices...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2017 20:12:25 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon. Twitter is really getting in on it. Mostly in languages I can't read, but everyone is taking it as fact. you know what they say. A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 29, 2017 20:14:42 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon. Wait, for real?! Some gaming sites are reporting this as real news, despite being proven as hoax hours ago?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:15:00 GMT
Twitter is really getting in on it. Mostly in languages I can't read, but everyone is taking it as fact. you know what they say. A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on. MEA is really gaining a lot of love since this mess, so in a way this was a good thing. I always say everything happens for a reason.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 29, 2017 20:15:32 GMT
So help me out here, where did the whole Turnip thing start?
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Post by tarotmage on Jun 29, 2017 20:16:07 GMT
Now every second-string gaming site is picking up the story and I've been commenting that it's been proven a hoax. I'm starting to feel like f'n Smokey the Bear, putting out these little fires all afternoon. Ouch. You're braver than I. I commented on one site and then thought about how futile it'd be to attempt to correct them all. I have to do it. I'm a Virgo. It's in our contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:17:00 GMT
So help me out here, where did the whole Turnip thing start? @lonegunnar
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 29, 2017 20:17:23 GMT
It also shows how many people love ME and would want proof written in BW/EA employee's blood before anything would be believed. But I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who walked past Bioware Montreals studios once and he said the building was condemned. Mass effect is dead. Thats the whole reason its still being given content and patches. And DA4 is not going to happen, and the sky is green and I'm secretly a turnip. So help me out here, where did the whole Turnip thing start? Started here... bsn.boards.net/post/771630/thread
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 29, 2017 20:17:45 GMT
Ouch. You're braver than I. I commented on one site and then thought about how futile it'd be to attempt to correct them all. I have to do it. I'm a Virgo. It's in our contract. It's fun to do, particularly on YouTube, you feel like a Baseball Bat Hero in a sea of zombies...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:18:31 GMT
Ouch. You're braver than I. I commented on one site and then thought about how futile it'd be to attempt to correct them all. I have to do it. I'm a Virgo. It's in our contract. Fellow Virgo. I know your pain.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 29, 2017 20:18:40 GMT
That doesn't make any sense. Either he's credible with credible sources or he's not. You can't say the people know what they're talking about and are telling the truth on one hand, and then say they're not credible and don't know what they're talking about on the other. No, it makes perfect sense. In first article, he only reported facts as given from his source. He did not offer any personal opinion nor speculation. In second article, he completely changed his format. He started to state his opinion and speculations based on incomplete information he had received. Which also forced him to backtrack more then once. It doesn't. In one thread people are saying he should name his sources, who are these people, until I hear it from Bioware, etc, etc etc. But in the other, all of a sudden it's fine he doesn't name them, no confirmation from Bioware is needed, the article makes sense.
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Post by abaris on Jun 29, 2017 20:19:13 GMT
Eh, EA/Origin Access has been existing since 11th August 2014. And full game like DAI can be played with EA/Origin Access for a year before ME:A release. So it wasn't in EA's interest to release ME:A buggy with it's 10 hour Trial. Publicity stunt to push Origin Access. One of the most expected games in the last five years being there if you only signed up. Of course they didn't want it to be buggy, but it was, which ultimately gave random youtubers ample opportunity to poke fun at it before any of the magazines or serious reviewers got their copy. They could have been aware of the ensuing consequences of such a failed policy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 20:19:45 GMT
No, it makes perfect sense. In first article, he only reported facts as given from his source. He did not offer any personal opinion nor speculation. In second article, he completely changed his format. He started to state his opinion and speculations based on incomplete information he had received. Which also forced him to backtrack more then once. It doesn't. In one thread people are saying he should name his sources, who are these people, until I hear it from Bioware, etc, etc etc. But in the other, all of a sudden it's fine he doesn't name them, no confirmation from Bioware is needed, the article makes sense. Based on how things went with the game and the patches fixing things, people saw his article about the development times as fact because it connected.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 29, 2017 20:20:29 GMT
Can someone catch me up? When did this get proven to be a hoax?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 29, 2017 20:21:17 GMT
I have to do it. I'm a Virgo. It's in our contract. Fellow Virgo. I know your pain. ohh I'm a Gemini what's in my contact?
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