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Post by yeah rip on Jul 3, 2017 12:30:23 GMT
I won't be buying anything from Bioware anymore and I wouldn't be interested in Anthem either way, but it would be shitty of Bioware to leave Mass Effect the way it is.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 3, 2017 13:03:04 GMT
No, I will not boycott anthem for a variety of reasons. The first one being it's made a by a separate studio and punishing them for other peoples mistakes makes no sense. The second major reason I won't boycott is the logic of it. Why punish EA for learning from their mistakes? EA clearly sees that Andromeda was a disappointment, which is a very good thing. I don't really see how boycotting would be a reasonable "punishment" for not making DLC to a game that they might (key word here MIGHT) view as a failure. There are many reasons boycotting is justified but a company not making content is a a pretty weak one. To be clear I am not in the boycott crowd (just in the 'not interested' crowd). But I feel some clarification is needed here. The boycott people are upset that Anthem took resources away from Andromeda; that the graphics quality, animation, face models, gameplay and so on are what Andromeda should have been. This is not a situation where EA cancelled a DLC to focus on Anthem, its that many believe the budget and manpower that went into Anthem should have been geared towards Andromeda. That's a matter of opinion. I think EA like any other conglomerate is following trends. Plus Co-op multiplayer has a lot of potential for micro-transactions. Its the age old discussion of BW before and after EA. Before EA its "Let's make great games! We'll need money to do that!" vs the EA culture of "Let's make money! We need to make a game to make money". It is this behavior that boycotters are looking to influence. Anthem has the more experienced team, Andromeda got rookies pretty much, before Andromeda their resume was ME3 multiplayer and the omega DLC and that was it. Compare a rookie team to an experienced team and watch the differences on how they make a game, one will look better than the other single handedly. Anthems budget is unknown so far as I'm aware and it's an entirely different studio working on it, people can get butt hurt (hotheaded) over it, but they need to look into how resources are actually being taken away if they're to make that claim. Why does bioware not get away with it when various other studios have multiple franchises out in shorter time? I don't recall ever hearing Fallout taking resources away from elder scrolls, or elder scrolls from wilfenstein, or wolfenstein from DOOM. It's counter productive to have various studios only to then have them take from each other, it makes no sense, and that is the case here if people want to assume bioware is doing that with Andromeda. What's really happening is rather than blaming the exact studio that made the gane, they'd rather target another group that didn't do anything and still get no results. Not like the Anthem team(Edmonton) is going to drop everything to fix what Montreal hasn't. why do people think EA turned bioware away from making "great games"? EA has owned bioware since the start of mass effect and Dragon AGE. Knowing these forums many thinknthose are the best franchises out there, so are they really not making great games if I'm seeing comments how ME and DA is all specific people would play? Quite honestly, I think EA as a publisher have turned up oodgames. The battlefield franchise isn't so bad, I love the DA/ME franchises (I don't consider them top tier "great" games though), and their sports games still pull in millions.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jul 3, 2017 13:43:06 GMT
I can't boycott what I am not going to play in any case. However, if they leave me with an unfinished game for the 2nd time I swear that ME:A is going to be the last BW game that I bought at full price. Their next game that I'll buy, no matter how good it can be, will be only when its price drops at 10$ and when I will be sure that they have released every single piece of the story.
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Post by gplayer on Jul 3, 2017 15:04:09 GMT
Anthems budget is unknown so far as I'm aware and it's an entirely different studio working on it, people can get butt hurt (hotheaded) over it, but they need to look into how resources are actually being taken away if they're to make that claim. Why does bioware not get away with it when various other studios have multiple franchises out in shorter time? I don't recall ever hearing Fallout taking resources away from elder scrolls, or elder scrolls from wilfenstein, or wolfenstein from DOOM. It's counter productive to have various studios only to then have them take from each other, it makes no sense, and that is the case here if people want to assume bioware is doing that with Andromeda. What's really happening is rather than blaming the exact studio that made the gane, they'd rather target another group that didn't do anything and still get no results. Not like the Anthem team(Edmonton) is going to drop everything to fix what Montreal hasn't. why do people think EA turned bioware away from making "great games"? EA has owned bioware since the start of mass effect and Dragon AGE. Knowing these forums many thinknthose are the best franchises out there, so are they really not making great games if I'm seeing comments how ME and DA is all specific people would play? Quite honestly, I think EA as a publisher have turned up oodgames. The battlefield franchise isn't so bad, I love the DA/ME franchises (I don't consider them top tier "great" games though), and their sports games still pull in millions. Destiny's budget is at $140 mil, and even if you account for the marketing portion of that budget, you'd have to think Anthem is playing with a comparable amount of money if EA wants it to be a Destiny-killer. I like your analogies but Fallout and Skyrim are very different games. Anthem was sci fi- on some exotic world, with a player character that used futuristic tech and weapons. There would have been no backlash if Anthem was a completely different game or genre. But it looked and felt like it was what Andromeda should have been. I may take a more pragmatic approach on this but its not hard to see how people could draw those conclusions. Nobody in this forum has the facts on this topic, we are talking about people's perceptions, its subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:11:02 GMT
The desperate need to claim that one project must have taken away resources from another project and that's why the latter project isn't exactly what you want is nothing short of pathetic.
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Post by NRieh on Jul 3, 2017 19:55:15 GMT
I think Anthem is far removed from what old-time bw fans like to play anyway. And I think BW fans are 'far removed' from what the old-time BW fans used to be. People change and people grow, you know, and so do the studios. Nothing wrong with that. I consider myself pretty much the 'old-time' one, had been around since before NWN. I loved what I've seen or heard about Anthem so far, things may or may not change as they give us more details. Anyway, I don't see how those two (DLC and Anthem) are connected. It's like not buying an ice cream if they don't bake you a cake.
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Post by dark8sage on Jul 3, 2017 22:02:23 GMT
This poll pretty much proves why game companies can get away with murder nowadays. People with the attention span of a pigeon just want their quick thrill and easily forget the shit sandwich they were served just moments before.
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Post by decafhigh on Jul 3, 2017 22:10:25 GMT
Can I boycott something I already had no intentions of buying? Ah what the heck, we'll just say I am.
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Post by slayer299 on Jul 4, 2017 14:48:30 GMT
Why would I boycott Anthem over ME:A DLC? They aren't related and I don't know much of anything about Anthem. Just not preordering it if I do get interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 14:52:09 GMT
This poll pretty much proves why game companies can get away with murder nowadays. People with the attention span of a pigeon just want their quick thrill and easily forget the shit sandwich they were served just moments before. Or it proves that the average person doesn't have some psychotic grudge against BioWare just because you didn't like one of their games.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 4, 2017 14:56:56 GMT
This poll pretty much proves why game companies can get away with murder nowadays. People with the attention span of a pigeon just want their quick thrill and easily forget the shit sandwich they were served just moments before. Dude, what the fuck are you on about?! EA hasn't gotten anyone killed nor harmed. EA's biggest "crimes" are overcharging their luxury items. Jesus, take it down a notch. This a video game industry, not a diamond industry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 15:03:53 GMT
You either have me confused with someone else or I'm be trolled, either way, no I didn't enjoy Andromeda. It's not the worse game I have ever played, but it's by far the worst of the 4 ME games that I have played. Bioware is busy chasing the golden carrot and moving in a direction that I'm not interested in going. Going to take a wait and see approach with DA 4 and will decide if I'm done with Bioware and EA in general depending on the outcome. Yep, you've got the same avi as another member. Nevermind. Yeah, that's me who is enjoying the game. This avatar is one offered by the forum in general, so anyone can pick it. I get confused myself sometimes. I don't find this story cliche at all and am quite intrigued by Bioware's take on current environmental issues for one thing. There are just so many different little bits and pieces of our IRL society imbedded in this story that I just don't see the why people are accusing it of being like other games out there. Most of the other games I've seen recently are about ghouls and the undead and magic and set in medieval times. People begged for a story about colonization... but now they are demanding insta-cities and back to the same old "war-torn" city ghetto setting we see in so many other games. To me, this story is unique and it's the people really just wanting more of the same old fodder they get from other games that is making this one unpopular. Well, I don't care what others think... this story is popular with me. As I said above, I'm certainly not going to boycott Anthem if they don't release a DLC for this game. IMO, it's childish to prevent a studio from expanding into other areas. Such threats don't send a positive message to the developer and will not encourage them to make a DLC for ME:A. I don't know yet whether Anthem will interest me at all, but I'll wait to see what it's actually like before I make a decision whether or not to buy it.
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Post by midnightwolf on Jul 4, 2017 15:37:39 GMT
Hmm....Boycott a game I'm not in the least bit interested in, because on of my favourite franchises doesn't realise a DLC I AM interested in? Absolutely NOT. What a silly, Childish thing to do!
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Jul 4, 2017 17:05:13 GMT
While I'd be disappointed at the lack of closure for the Quarian Ark, I'd never boycott another game over that.
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Post by deadgoon on Jul 4, 2017 18:48:40 GMT
I can't boycott what i'm not interested in.
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Post by Equalitas on Jul 4, 2017 18:56:02 GMT
Lol this forum with tunnel vision wont do that to their loved company.
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Post by Equalitas on Jul 4, 2017 19:10:21 GMT
Picking a game with EA online service when we have Destiny 2 on the Blizzard app is kinda stupid. EA Netcode takes like 2-3 years to fix itself even with mayor Titles like Battlefield series. Sure Blizzard has problems in the beginning sometimes. But you can bet your ass it will be fixed in time and be playable for years to come if you wish it. Go online and try play Diablo 2 online today (17 year old game) that still gets updates. I trust Bioware and EA to kill their game in time. Blizzard/Activision are greedy shit of a company but they at least keep their games alive.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 19:39:58 GMT
This poll pretty much proves why game companies can get away with murder nowadays. People with the attention span of a pigeon just want their quick thrill and easily forget the shit sandwich they were served just moments before. See... the difference between you and I after this is all said and done you'll still be badgering people to try to get them to join you in your pathetic misery over all the games you've bought and disliked and potentially all the games you've boycotted that you might have liked trying to uselessly badger the developers into producing something to your liking... while really proving to them that you're just impossible to please. Whereas, I'll still have a game that I'm truly enjoying playing (even without DLC). Chances are that the people who will buy Anthem don't give a fuck about ME:A and its DLC anyways. They target completely different types of gamers. The people who bought ME:A probably wouldn't buy Anthem anyways... so calling for a boycott is meaningless. That's what this poll reflects.
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Post by Aries on Jul 4, 2017 19:53:16 GMT
As most of us know, Andromeda was pretty much sabotaged by EA and rivaling Bioware factions. Actually, no we do not know that. We know that Edmonton wanted to make something new, instead of doing the same thing over and over (that is how bad games like AC Unity get made, developers stop caring about the product, because it is always the same things). You are basing this on the Kotaku article I presume? Just FYI, even that clickbait did not mention that Edmonton has been sabotaging Montreal in any way, just that they were getting miffed about Montreal not having any clue as to what to make with the game (they spent 3/5 of the time on making highly conceptual stuff that was not even fun) Anthem has gathered several thousands of fans already, just from a 7 minute video that did not really show anything. There literally are no indications that EA or BioWare are completely abandoning Mass Effect franchise. However, there are several important EA people who claim on record that despite Andromeda underperforming, they are still happy with how it did and how BW handled it and hope for more stuff in the franchise.
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Post by Aries on Jul 4, 2017 20:00:07 GMT
I think Anthem is far removed from what old-time bw fans like to play anyway. I would like to point out that so was Mass Effect 1. A lot of people were going "noo, this is now what BW fans like, they should stick to making isometric RPGs". Instead, BW pretty much flipped the board and changed what a modern RPGs can look like (cinematic, voiced protagonist, etc)
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Post by dark8sage on Jul 5, 2017 5:04:18 GMT
This poll pretty much proves why game companies can get away with murder nowadays. People with the attention span of a pigeon just want their quick thrill and easily forget the shit sandwich they were served just moments before. Or it proves that the average person doesn't have some psychotic grudge against BioWare just because you didn't like one of their games. Anthem is not being boycotted because they disliked MEA; try improving your reading comprehension. Anthem is boycotted because they threw MEA under the bus for it. I didn't dislike MEA, dumbass. I liked it to the point where Bioware pissed me off enough by sacrificing its further development for the sake of chasing their Destiny knock off.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jul 5, 2017 5:24:48 GMT
I was never gonna buy Anthem in the first place.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 5, 2017 5:36:54 GMT
I think Anthem is far removed from what old-time bw fans like to play anyway. I would like to point out that so was Mass Effect 1. A lot of people were going "noo, this is now what BW fans like, they should stick to making isometric RPGs". Instead, BW pretty much flipped the board and changed what a modern RPGs can look like (cinematic, voiced protagonist, etc) I heard all the same things before with my friends and pen-and-paper group. There were pessimists saying that BioWare is going to fail at it because of a multitude of reasons. Everyone in my group now agrees Mass Effect 1 is the standard bearer of space opera RPGs. So, yeah... heard all that before. The same was said about Dragon Age 2. The same was said about Mass Effect 3. The same was said about Inquisition heading to a more open-world environment. I hear it all the time now with Andromeda. It doesn't change my mind.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 5, 2017 10:14:04 GMT
I would like to point out that so was Mass Effect 1. A lot of people were going "noo, this is now what BW fans like, they should stick to making isometric RPGs". Instead, BW pretty much flipped the board and changed what a modern RPGs can look like (cinematic, voiced protagonist, etc) I heard all the same things before with my friends and pen-and-paper group. There were pessimists saying that BioWare is going to fail at it because of a multitude of reasons. Everyone in my group now agrees Mass Effect 1 is the standard bearer of space opera RPGs. So, yeah... heard all that before. The same was said about Dragon Age 2. The same was said about Mass Effect 3. The same was said about Inquisition heading to a more open-world environment. I hear it all the time now with Andromeda. It doesn't change my mind. Absolutely this. We seem to go round this merry-go-round literally every time a new Bioware game comes out. I personally think some people need to get a grip. Boycotting Anthem won't mean anything. FWIW while I'm still not sure how much of a MP game this is going to be vs SP, I like what I've seen from Anthem so far. I'm a massive sucker for powered suits and for reasons I can't quite comprehend, I can't think of many sci-fi games that put them front and centre and treated them like moddable gear. Plus it looks stunning. Time will tell but whatever happens will have literally no relevance to MEA.
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