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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 11:15:01 GMT
Anthem is not being boycotted because they disliked MEA; try improving your reading comprehension. Anthem is boycotted because they threw MEA under the bus for it. And you and everyone else making that argument has absolutely no basis for it other than "you didn't like ME:A and you want to incite abuse and threats towards the developers by spouting unsubstantiated bullcrap".
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Post by Iakus on Jul 5, 2017 14:48:12 GMT
You can't boycott what you don't intend to buy in the first place.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 5, 2017 17:00:35 GMT
Or it proves that the average person doesn't have some psychotic grudge against BioWare just because you didn't like one of their games. Anthem is not being boycotted because they disliked MEA; try improving your reading comprehension. Anthem is boycotted because they threw MEA under the bus for it. I didn't dislike MEA, dumbass. I liked it to the point where Bioware pissed me off enough by sacrificing its further development for the sake of chasing their Destiny knock off. So what info do you have for Anthem taking away from mass effect?
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Post by jamiecotc on Jul 5, 2017 17:05:40 GMT
Anthem's not my kind of game anyway, so ... no, but yes?
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Post by tjmitchem on Jul 5, 2017 17:32:14 GMT
If Anthem can avoid the mistakes that The Division made, and continues to make to be honest, I'll be all over it.
Anthem is aimed at The Division's playerbase (TPS) more than it is Destiny's (FPS).
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Post by wildannie on Jul 5, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
voted no, but the way dlc or lack thereof is handled here will have an impact on my future choices as to what to buy and when. As it stands I'll need to learn a lot more about Anthem before I decide if I want to play it anyway.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 5, 2017 19:23:46 GMT
Anthem is not being boycotted because they disliked MEA; try improving your reading comprehension. Anthem is boycotted because they threw MEA under the bus for it. I didn't dislike MEA, dumbass. I liked it to the point where Bioware pissed me off enough by sacrificing its further development for the sake of chasing their Destiny knock off. So what info do you have for Anthem taking away from mass effect? The better studio worked on Anthem while Andromeda got the newb team... Can't take away any more than that.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 5, 2017 19:32:16 GMT
So what info do you have for Anthem taking away from mass effect? The better studio worked on Anthem while Andromeda got the newb team... Can't take away any more than that. Is that really a good enough excuse though? Multiple developers have multiple studios for this purpose, to make multiple games. If Anthem isn't taking budget away (doubtful when it's a multi-million dollar publisher supporting them) from Andromeda then I don't really see it as one taking away from the other. Andromedas own failures will be on the mass effect team, not others who had no involvement and are busy with other projects. Furthermore, what's to say they didn't move some of Edmonton to Montreal because of their experience with the mass effect franchise? Aaron Flynn is still there, mike gamble is still around, max Walters is still around, etc etc. i may have been disappointed with Andromeda, but I will not be of the belief that it's Anthems fault or that team B being inexperienced is why when everyone else goes through the same thing.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 5, 2017 20:28:15 GMT
The better studio worked on Anthem while Andromeda got the newb team... Can't take away any more than that. Is that really a good enough excuse though? Multiple developers have multiple studios for this purpose, to make multiple games. If Anthem isn't taking budget away (doubtful when it's a multi-million dollar publisher supporting them) from Andromeda then I don't really see it as one taking away from the other. Andromedas own failures will be on the mass effect team, not others who had no involvement and are busy with other projects. Furthermore, what's to say they didn't move some of Edmonton to Montreal because of their experience with the mass effect franchise? Aaron Flynn is still there, mike gamble is still around, max Walters is still around, etc etc. i may have been disappointed with Andromeda, but I will not be of the belief that it's Anthems fault or that team B being inexperienced is why when everyone else goes through the same thing. Proof in the pudding sort of thing - 3 ME games by Edmonton, all critically acclaimed - 1 by Montreal, and it's a buggy decisive mess. At the very least, I don't think there would have been any animation issues if Edmonton were working on it based on what we've seen from Anthem.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 5, 2017 20:44:35 GMT
Is that really a good enough excuse though? Multiple developers have multiple studios for this purpose, to make multiple games. If Anthem isn't taking budget away (doubtful when it's a multi-million dollar publisher supporting them) from Andromeda then I don't really see it as one taking away from the other. Andromedas own failures will be on the mass effect team, not others who had no involvement and are busy with other projects. Furthermore, what's to say they didn't move some of Edmonton to Montreal because of their experience with the mass effect franchise? Aaron Flynn is still there, mike gamble is still around, max Walters is still around, etc etc. i may have been disappointed with Andromeda, but I will not be of the belief that it's Anthems fault or that team B being inexperienced is why when everyone else goes through the same thing. Proof in the pudding sort of thing - 3 ME games by Edmonton, all critically acclaimed - 1 by Montreal, and it's a buggy decisive mess. At the very least, I don't think there would have been any animation issues if Edmonton were working on it based on what we've seen from Anthem. You're right, but you have no idea of how much dysfunction was in place prior to Montreal's acquisition of Andromeda or during the development process. To me, it all sounds like bad luck, bad hires, bad decisions to keep at an experiment that ultimately failed, bad leadership and bad PR and HR. If anything, Montreal and Walters (yeah, I know... ) got a lot of the game done in as much time as DA2 and still pulled out a very good game (after patch 1.05). Everyone has made bad decisions, bad hires, had inept HR and PR, bad luck and bad leadership at one point or another. The fact that the developers clenched their teeth and worked through all of that garbage that wasn't related to their pay grade says a lot about those individuals. Those that stayed put their pride on display and gutted it out. Those that quit didn't help. Those that got fired didn't help. What was their ultimate reward: memes, YouTube videos and an incredible, damaging hit to BioWare's reputation. Not to mention, posters like me losing their mind because the game kept breaking on the PS4. So, Suikoden... whatever your beef is, forgive and forget. Criticism is necessary because let's face it, if you're only listening to sycophants you're not learning how to improve. However, ragging on them and taking delight in their embarrassment or struggles with Frostbite is totally unfair. I like to point my finger and sometimes I'm just so damn exasperated that I come off sounding like a jerk. Is it right? No. Being snarky once in a while... it's okay, but expect gifs or just as snarky responses. Also, I've appropriated the victory dance. When the DLC hits (whenever it hits), it's mine! Stay salty my friend, but stay classy. A lesson I am learning myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2017 15:34:58 GMT
This poll requires an option that states: "Not interested in Anthem in the first place."
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Post by geezer117 on Jul 6, 2017 21:40:41 GMT
What's Anthem?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 2:49:57 GMT
The Destiny clone BioWare just showcased at E3 2017.
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Post by outlaw1109 on Jul 7, 2017 3:01:36 GMT
Sorry, quotes from the devs aren't exactly inspiring me to preorder my copy of Anthem. I'm not boycotting, just not interested.
However, boycotting a video game is senseless. Some people don't care about the politics. They just want to be entertained.
It's easier to boycott things like abortion clinics or sexist movies because of controlled distribution, but a video game? You can't protest it. You can't stand outside of GameStop on release day and stop a significant group of people from buying a game. Personally, if you tried to convince me to buy into this boycott, I'd probably just walk away, go home and buy it online...then again, most of my game purchases are done online anyway.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 3:03:06 GMT
As most of us know, Andromeda was pretty much sabotaged by EA and rivaling Bioware factions. The interesting part is, Bioware fans are primarily Mass Effect and Dragon Age players. Nobody is a fan of their new Anthem game yet so technically nobody would miss it if they never got to play it. However, fans will miss Mass Effect if it gets completely abandoned because its an established franchise with a huge fan base. That said, every Mass Effect fan is a potential Anthem fan. But would those fans really wanna try out something new from Bioware if they thought for one minute that Bioware/EA were going to abandon Anthem the way they did with Andromeda? Can they be trusted? One way to convince fans to cross over and try out their new game Anthem would be to gain our trust and release the Quarian Ark DLC. That would show they're serious about maintaining their IP's and not simply letting it fall into ruin. So with that said, cast your votes. Biodrones couldn't even manage the self control to boycott ME3 DLC after the ME3 ending catastrophe. They aren't going to boycott Anthem.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 7, 2017 11:50:40 GMT
Biodrones couldn't even manage the self control to boycott ME3 DLC after the ME3 ending catastrophe. They aren't going to boycott Anthem. Indeed, it's almost like not everyone had nervous breakdown over the ending post-EC DLC and the DLCs were actually very good, with one of them arguarbly being the best one of the entire franchise. But hey, only real fans whined about the ending and fought the good fight with DLC, right?
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Post by krazyguy on Jul 7, 2017 12:05:51 GMT
I'm not gonna boycott, sucks that Bioware may or may not do dlc for Andromeda, cause I wanted to see sexy quarians with frostbite...mmm yes but I'm not gonna boycott another game done by another team. I'm gonna play Anthem with my friends which is cool cause they didn't like SWTOR gameplay so least we can play a Bioware game like this together.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jul 7, 2017 12:48:31 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse, Anthem succeeding or flopping horribly.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 7, 2017 12:54:14 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse, Anthem succeeding or flopping horribly. Flopping. Bioware would likely be done if that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:00:45 GMT
I'm not sure what's worse, Anthem succeeding or flopping horribly. The person who wishes failure upon someone a lot of people put a lot of work into and a lot of people are very eager for, simply because it's not exactly what that person wants.
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Post by malgus on Jul 7, 2017 13:09:05 GMT
Biodrones couldn't even manage the self control to boycott ME3 DLC after the ME3 ending catastrophe. They aren't going to boycott Anthem. Why would they? The extended cut have made the ending significantly better, which was the thing people were asking for, a better ending. If bioware tried to release Leviathan before that, it would not have ended well for the sales of the dlc. But since they have given the extended cut, people were open to buy more of ME 3. Just like if they tried to release dlc for MEA before patching it, you would have seen more people angry about it and not willing to buy SP dlc.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 13:12:49 GMT
Biodrones couldn't even manage the self control to boycott ME3 DLC after the ME3 ending catastrophe. They aren't going to boycott Anthem. Indeed, it's almost like not everyone had nervous breakdown over the ending post-EC DLC and the DLCs were actually very good, with one of them arguarbly being the best one of the entire franchise. But hey, only real fans whined about the ending and fought the good fight with DLC, right?
Even those who did have a nervous breakdown still bought DLC. You see the same thing in MMOs where the developer does something to piss of a large part of the player base, yet the people complaining the most continue subscribing, invalidating any reason for the developer to address their grievances. The only point being made is that gamers don't have the willpower for the kind of protest the OP mentions.
You seem to be taking my comment as a personal insult. Relax.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 13:17:36 GMT
Biodrones couldn't even manage the self control to boycott ME3 DLC after the ME3 ending catastrophe. They aren't going to boycott Anthem. Why would they? The extended cut have made the ending significantly better, which was the thing people were asking for, a better ending. If bioware tried to release Leviathan before that, it would not have ended well for the sales of the dlc. But since they have given the extended cut, people were open to buy more of ME 3. Just like if they tried to release dlc for MEA before patching it, you would have seen more people angry about it and not willing to buy SP dlc.
I never said they should or shouldn't. I said they wouldn't.
I think Leviathan would have done the same regardless. MEA is a unique situation in the ME franchise where Bioware released a unfinished game resulting in scathing reviews and low sales. It can't be compared to ME3 which was, like it or not, a complete game which sold well and had a solid base.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:21:57 GMT
Over three million in the first month. Second fastest-selling entry in the series. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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