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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 13:28:04 GMT
Over three million in the first month. Second fastest-selling entry in the series. Sorry to burst your bubble.
It's clearly does not have legs, otherwise it would not have been sidelined.
My bubble isn't burst. There is no bubble. I have no animosity toward MEA. I've never even played it. Everyone is so defensive when it comes to this game.
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Post by malgus on Jul 7, 2017 13:32:24 GMT
Why would they? The extended cut have made the ending significantly better, which was the thing people were asking for, a better ending. If bioware tried to release Leviathan before that, it would not have ended well for the sales of the dlc. But since they have given the extended cut, people were open to buy more of ME 3. Just like if they tried to release dlc for MEA before patching it, you would have seen more people angry about it and not willing to buy SP dlc.
I never said they should or shouldn't. I said they wouldn't.
I think Leviathan would have done the same regardless. MEA is a unique situation in the ME franchise where Bioware released a unfinished game resulting in scathing reviews and low sales. It can't be compared to ME3 which was, like it or not, a complete game which sold well and had a solid base.
No it would not have been the same, many people wanted more closure to the ending, it was not only about reapers origins it was about what happens with the milky way after the crucible activation. Leviathan does not give us any of that. By the way the ec was free wich means you have 90% of your answers withou having to pay, if Bioware try to sold the answers for 10 dollars dlc without anything else free, it would have ended in a disaster. And no ME 3 was not complete release not with that conclusion, it missed something. And who cares about the low sales or high sales of MEA, that was not the fucking point of the conversation. You started insulting people calling them "biodrones" (can't take seriously that word) and that they would not boycott Anthem because they did not boycotted ME 3 dlc. Forgetting the fact that ME 3 first gave free content to satisfy players that were angry about the initial products, once that was done people were open to the ides of buying more. Just like as of now, with the patches, there are way more people asking for dlc of MEA, now that the biggest technical issues of MEA are behind us. They would not have been as much if Bioware did not bother to patch the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:32:50 GMT
It's clearly does not have legs, otherwise it would not have been sidelined.
My bubble isn't burst. There is no bubble. I have no animosity toward MEA. I've never even played it. Everyone is so defensive when it comes to this game.
Patches and new content clearly indicate it has been sidelined, totally. If you have no animosity towards the game, you wouldn't be have convinced yourself it was a failure and unquestioningly believe any negative rumours about the game spouted by untrustworthy clickbait artists. If you have no animosity towards the game or its fans, you wouldn't use a word that exists solely to insult people who enjoy the games.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 7, 2017 13:38:17 GMT
Over three million in the first month. Second fastest-selling entry in the series. Sorry to burst your bubble.
It's clearly does not have legs, otherwise it would not have been sidelined.
My bubble isn't burst. There is no bubble. I have no animosity toward MEA. I've never even played it. Everyone is so defensive when it comes to this game.
I don't think it's safe to make that assumption. First, nobody has any sales figures to back up such a statement. Second, we have the DAI example. It sold very well, had a good reception, yet its successor still hasn't been announced officially (the devs have all but announced it though) and it just now is beginning to wind up on production... writers are starting their work and new hires are beginning in earnest. It's almost as if there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't' know about, and shouldn't make assumptions about... at least with no degree of certainty. My guess is that EA is working with Bioware to get their studios on a three-game production loop, when they're used to a two-game production loop. In that mix is Anthem, which will probably have different needs/expectations than either the ME or DA brands.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 13:45:41 GMT
It's clearly does not have legs, otherwise it would not have been sidelined.
My bubble isn't burst. There is no bubble. I have no animosity toward MEA. I've never even played it. Everyone is so defensive when it comes to this game.
I don't think it's safe to make that assumption. First, nobody has any sales figures to back up such a statement. Second, we have the DAI example. It sold very well, had a good reception, yet its successor still hasn't been announced officially (the devs have all but announced it though) and it just now is beginning to wind up on production... writers are starting their work and new hires are beginning in earnest. It's almost as if there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't' know about, and shouldn't make assumptions about... at least with no degree of certainty. My guess is that EA is working with Bioware to get their studios on a three-game production loop, when they're used to a two-game production loop. In that mix is Anthem, which will probably have different needs/expectations than either the ME or DA brands. The best of both worlds. EA get their money with Anthem and we still get the RPGs we love so much from Bioware. Maybe that has been the reason there has been so much behind the scenes drama reported maybe its just schedules changing.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 7, 2017 13:55:13 GMT
Why would they? The extended cut have made the ending significantly better, which was the thing people were asking for, a better ending. If bioware tried to release Leviathan before that, it would not have ended well for the sales of the dlc. But since they have given the extended cut, people were open to buy more of ME 3. Just like if they tried to release dlc for MEA before patching it, you would have seen more people angry about it and not willing to buy SP dlc.
I never said they should or shouldn't. I said they wouldn't.
I think Leviathan would have done the same regardless. MEA is a unique situation in the ME franchise where Bioware released a unfinished game resulting in scathing reviews and low sales. It can't be compared to ME3 which was, like it or not, a complete game which sold well and had a solid base.
ME3? Complete game? In what world?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 7, 2017 14:01:10 GMT
I don't think it's safe to make that assumption. First, nobody has any sales figures to back up such a statement. Second, we have the DAI example. It sold very well, had a good reception, yet its successor still hasn't been announced officially (the devs have all but announced it though) and it just now is beginning to wind up on production... writers are starting their work and new hires are beginning in earnest. It's almost as if there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't' know about, and shouldn't make assumptions about... at least with no degree of certainty. My guess is that EA is working with Bioware to get their studios on a three-game production loop, when they're used to a two-game production loop. In that mix is Anthem, which will probably have different needs/expectations than either the ME or DA brands. The best of both worlds. EA get their money with Anthem and we still get the RPGs we love so much from Bioware. Maybe that has been the reason there has been so much behind the scenes drama reported maybe its just schedules changing. Schedule changing and incorporating leadership/management/support structure for a new IP/business model. Since EA has shown no signs of terminating their relationship with Bioware (or towards dissolving Bioware) I'm sure that EA will want Bioware to crank out as many games as they can, turning up the profitability. This will be a part of that process.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jul 7, 2017 14:53:06 GMT
There are actually reasons to boycott a game from the developers. I never thought I would say anything like this, but given everything we experienced with Andromeda and how Bioware has treated its faithful fans is just... hideous, if that is the correct word. My Andromeda copy was so bugged that I never got the experience the developers promised. The game was way overpriced given it's publishing state. There was no good customer service, hell, I tried to contact EA and then Bioware via their official Instagram account because I had huge bugs which prevented me from continuing the game (other options were a dead end and I never got a single answer and I expressed them nicely, not the way I am doing right now). I felt also that abandoning the old forums was a mistake - almost every huge game developer has their own forums and places for fans to discuss. I also felt that the consept art and all the hints we get from the rare marketing campaings (trailers etc) weren't true... some of the consept art doesn't look at all what we get (the planets looked super crazy and alien but we got deserts, some of the graphics look a bit outdated). The game is not finished but yet Bioware has jumped to their action game. I feel very abandoned by their newest game, too: the style of bioware games I used to love seems to be sifting... meanwhile, we Mass Effect fans get more apex missions and a couple of patches (even though I am thankful for them) but mostly just silence and rumors. Feels like the whole Bioware studio is unreachable at the moment. I already signed a petition for a single DLC for an unfinished game and I feel ridiculous. I am the paying customer but I don't see any service here. I am even ready to pay more to see something what should have included in a game (a full story and a meaningful end).
Sorry about this salty rant, friends and my bad english, I just simple feel better after writing this.
If the silence continues about the future I stay concerned.
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Post by scouserant23 on Jul 7, 2017 15:27:22 GMT
I like the look of anthem, it looks like a well made game from what we have seen i just have 0 interest in flying mechs. I'm surprised EA let them do this since it is similar to Titan Fall. Unless that's the point, connecting fans of that series into BioWare's more story RPG style games, and perhaps getting RPG fans into the shooter genre.
I really want to see BioWare make a starwars game again. Been to long since a decent story star wars game was around. Hoping Battlefront 2 gets good reviews for the story as im keen to see if an empire focused story will be good.
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Post by zanephiri on Jul 7, 2017 16:11:13 GMT
I wasn't planning on playing it anyway, but I don't see how even discussing a boycott would be a productive reaction to no sp DLC for me:a.
I don't think Bioware (or EA if you think they *made* Bioware create this game) is aiming for their traditional fans to buy the game. I'm sure they'll love it if a lot of them do, but they're clearly going for a different demographic. So even if we all joined in a boycott to basically force a sp DLC for me:a to be made, it wouldn't matter. The kind of money they can possibly make off a game like Anthem would justify putting all their resources towards making extra content for that game/ finishing that game earlier. EVEN if it means losing a bunch of sales to their current fanbase.
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Post by warrior on Jul 7, 2017 17:53:05 GMT
I don't think it's safe to make that assumption. First, nobody has any sales figures to back up such a statement. Second, we have the DAI example. It sold very well, had a good reception, yet its successor still hasn't been announced officially (the devs have all but announced it though) and it just now is beginning to wind up on production... writers are starting their work and new hires are beginning in earnest. It's almost as if there's a bunch of stuff going on behind the scenes that we don't' know about, and shouldn't make assumptions about... at least with no degree of certainty. My guess is that EA is working with Bioware to get their studios on a three-game production loop, when they're used to a two-game production loop. In that mix is Anthem, which will probably have different needs/expectations than either the ME or DA brands. The best of both worlds. EA get their money with Anthem and we still get the RPGs we love so much from Bioware. Maybe that has been the reason there has been so much behind the scenes drama reported maybe its just schedules changing. I sincerely hope so. I am not convinced. They may continue on with DA (and ME...god willing) -- but will they ever make a new RPG IP? My new signature sums up my feelings on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:01:54 GMT
The best of both worlds. EA get their money with Anthem and we still get the RPGs we love so much from Bioware. Maybe that has been the reason there has been so much behind the scenes drama reported maybe its just schedules changing. I sincerely hope so. I am not convinced. They may continue on with DA (and ME...god willing) -- but will they ever make a new RPG IP? My new signature sums up my opinion on the matter. I fucking hate all of this online only bullshit that is being forced into games these days. With something like destiny you get so little value for money I got the first expansion for it and I completed it in about 2 hours. 40 euro for 2 hours of content that I have to play over and over again just to get different coloured guns just its harder the next time. It wasn't even in a new area it was just the moon again with different coloured enemies. Ugh. Anthem has the chance to be something else. Not even different just something else. Maybe its a game like far cry 4 where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game.
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Post by malgus on Jul 7, 2017 18:11:03 GMT
I sincerely hope so. I am not convinced. They may continue on with DA (and ME...god willing) -- but will they ever make a new RPG IP? My new signature sums up my opinion on the matter. I fucking hate all of this online only bullshit that is being forced into games these days. With something like destiny you get so little value for money I got the first expansion for it and I completed it in about 2 hours. 40 euro for 2 hours of content that I have to play over and over again just to get different coloured guns just its harder the next time. It wasn't even in a new area it was just the moon again with different coloured enemies. Ugh. Anthem has the chance to be something else. Not even different just something else. Maybe its a game like far cry 4 where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game. Actually, when I played destiny, I bought the year 2 version with the 3 expansion for 55 canadian dollars (a new release is sold as 80 dollars there), and even for a reduced price and 3 expansion, I barely felt I got my money back for the very little content there was. So I cannot imagine what it was for people who bought it day one full price with no dlc at all, the horror... It sill amaze me that Destiny with so little content at release had a better reception than MEA...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 7, 2017 18:11:39 GMT
I sincerely hope so. I am not convinced. They may continue on with DA (and ME...god willing) -- but will they ever make a new RPG IP? My new signature sums up my opinion on the matter. I fucking hate all of this online only bullshit that is being forced into games these days. With something like destiny you get so little value for money I got the first expansion for it and I completed it in about 2 hours. 40 euro for 2 hours of content that I have to play over and over again just to get different coloured guns just its harder the next time. It wasn't even in a new area it was just the moon again with different coloured enemies. Ugh. Anthem has the chance to be something else. Not even different just something else. Maybe its a game like far cry 4 where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game. If that's the case, I probably won't be heard from again for a long time. If it's FarCry 4 with BioWare storytelling: It's video game crack for me.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 7, 2017 18:17:22 GMT
I fucking hate all of this online only bullshit that is being forced into games these days. With something like destiny you get so little value for money I got the first expansion for it and I completed it in about 2 hours. 40 euro for 2 hours of content that I have to play over and over again just to get different coloured guns just its harder the next time. It wasn't even in a new area it was just the moon again with different coloured enemies. Ugh. Anthem has the chance to be something else. Not even different just something else. Maybe its a game like far cry 4 where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game. Actually, when I played destiny, I bought the year 2 version with the 3 expansion for 55 canadian dollars (a new release is sold as 80 dollars there), and even for a reduced price and 3 expansion, I barely felt I got my money back for the very little content there was. So I cannot imagine what it was for people who bought it day one full price with no dlc at all, the horror... It sill amaze me that Destiny with so little content at release had a better reception than MEA... BioWare is held to a higher standard in my opinion. That's what happens you're #1 and you have an evil, soulless corporation backing the studio. BioWare already should've known that there was a hate train already loaded with butt-hurt fans ready to wreck the launch. YouTube had users like the Rageaholic wanting to boycott the game over Manveer Heir's (and it appears company backed) racist tweets. For months, articles and videos were pouring in about how Andromeda is already destined to fail. Then it launches broken. BROKEN. It was a wet dream come to realization for the hate train. Anyone who denies this is naive. Also, (placing tin foil cap on) there are a lot of companies that would love to see BioWare fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:18:15 GMT
I fucking hate all of this online only bullshit that is being forced into games these days. With something like destiny you get so little value for money I got the first expansion for it and I completed it in about 2 hours. 40 euro for 2 hours of content that I have to play over and over again just to get different coloured guns just its harder the next time. It wasn't even in a new area it was just the moon again with different coloured enemies. Ugh. Anthem has the chance to be something else. Not even different just something else. Maybe its a game like far cry 4 where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game. Actually, when I played destiny, I bought the year 2 version with the 3 expansion for 55 canadian dollars (a new release is sold as 80 dollars there), and even for a reduced price and 3 expansion, I barely felt I got my money back for the very little content there was. So I cannot imagine what it was for people who bought it day one full price with no dlc at all, the horror... It sill amaze me that Destiny with so little content at release had a better reception than MEA... People think fans like us are toxic? Destinys fanbase is full of people that play the game but they actively hate it. It will be the same when the sequel releases. It will be super short there will barely be anything to do. That guided games thing where you are meant to get help for the raids only works for the raids on the lowest difficulty setting and you will still have to go outside of the game if you want to do nightfalls. Bungie don't even get them started on me man. I fucking hate them they tried to fire their composer because they didn't want to play him for any of the music he made. Then they go and say no matter what they put out people will be idiotic enough to buy it anyway.....''oh they will throw money at the screen!'' Ugh. Not to mention destiny 2 is getting praise for features that should have been in the first game in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:20:08 GMT
Look if anyone here likes destiny that is just my opinion but I find it very annoying a game from 20 years ago can feature more content than a new game by simply having the feature of a pause button. Which what do you know destiny lacks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2017 18:26:38 GMT
Actually, when I played destiny, I bought the year 2 version with the 3 expansion for 55 canadian dollars (a new release is sold as 80 dollars there), and even for a reduced price and 3 expansion, I barely felt I got my money back for the very little content there was. So I cannot imagine what it was for people who bought it day one full price with no dlc at all, the horror... It sill amaze me that Destiny with so little content at release had a better reception than MEA... BioWare is held to a higher standard in my opinion. That's what happens you're #1 and you have an evil, soulless corporation backing the studio. BioWare already should've known that there was a hate train already loaded with butt-hurt fans ready to wreck the launch. YouTube had users like the Rageaholic wanting to boycott the game over Manveer Heir's (and it appears company backed) racist tweets. For months, articles and videos were pouring in about how Andromeda is already destined to fail. Then it launches broken. BROKEN. It was a wet dream come to realization for the hate train. Anyone who denies this is naive. Also, (placing tin foil cap on) there are a lot of companies that would love to see BioWare fail.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 7, 2017 18:30:04 GMT
Indeed, it's almost like not everyone had nervous breakdown over the ending post-EC DLC and the DLCs were actually very good, with one of them arguarbly being the best one of the entire franchise. But hey, only real fans whined about the ending and fought the good fight with DLC, right?
Even those who did have a nervous breakdown still bought DLC. You see the same thing in MMOs where the developer does something to piss of a large part of the player base, yet the people complaining the most continue subscribing, invalidating any reason for the developer to address their grievances. The only point being made is that gamers don't have the willpower for the kind of protest the OP mentions.
You seem to be taking my comment as a personal insult. Relax.
I dunno man, the point was more about how the issue with the ending had largely been fixed by the time the DLC came out (indeed, that was the reason why the DLC was delayed) so the idea that people had somehow 'buckled'/ had no self control in the first place purely because they had the audacity to buy DLC was a bit daft. There was no action to boycott over by the time Leviathan came out. If we're in the mood for playing silly buggers though, perhaps it might be an idea to not accuse the same people of being 'biodrones' if the idea is to play innocent in the next post?
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Post by malgus on Jul 7, 2017 18:38:06 GMT
Even those who did have a nervous breakdown still bought DLC. You see the same thing in MMOs where the developer does something to piss of a large part of the player base, yet the people complaining the most continue subscribing, invalidating any reason for the developer to address their grievances. The only point being made is that gamers don't have the willpower for the kind of protest the OP mentions.
You seem to be taking my comment as a personal insult. Relax.
I dunno man, the point was more about how the issue with the ending had largely been fixed by the time the DLC came out (indeed, that was the reason why the DLC was delayed) so the idea that people had somehow 'buckled'/ had no self control in the first place purely because they had the audacity to buy DLC was a bit daft. There was no action to boycott over by the time Leviathan came out. If we're in the mood for playing silly buggers though, perhaps it might be an idea to not accuse the same people of being 'biodrones' if the idea is to play innocent in the next post? Yep its like if someone calls a gay person a fag, and pretends that he is not insulting just after that... Biodrone is a pejorative term made to insult bioware fans. Its in the roots of the fucking word.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 18:46:09 GMT
You started insulting people calling them "biodrones" (can't take seriously that word) Isn't biodrone the term for Bioware fans?
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 18:48:07 GMT
I never said they should or shouldn't. I said they wouldn't.
I think Leviathan would have done the same regardless. MEA is a unique situation in the ME franchise where Bioware released a unfinished game resulting in scathing reviews and low sales. It can't be compared to ME3 which was, like it or not, a complete game which sold well and had a solid base.
ME3? Complete game? In what world? How was it unfinished?
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Post by malgus on Jul 7, 2017 18:49:19 GMT
You started insulting people calling them "biodrones" (can't take seriously that word) Isn't biodrone the term for Bioware fans? Ok either you are joking or you are not. Let's say you are not joking, Biodrone is a pejorative term made to insult bioware fans. Its in the roots of the fucking word. So if you don't want people to feel insulted or attack, don't use it.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 7, 2017 18:52:47 GMT
Even those who did have a nervous breakdown still bought DLC. You see the same thing in MMOs where the developer does something to piss of a large part of the player base, yet the people complaining the most continue subscribing, invalidating any reason for the developer to address their grievances. The only point being made is that gamers don't have the willpower for the kind of protest the OP mentions.
You seem to be taking my comment as a personal insult. Relax.
I dunno man, the point was more about how the issue with the ending had largely been fixed by the time the DLC came out (indeed, that was the reason why the DLC was delayed) so the idea that people had somehow 'buckled'/ had no self control in the first place purely because they had the audacity to buy DLC was a bit daft. There was no action to boycott over by the time Leviathan came out. If we're in the mood for playing silly buggers though, perhaps it might be an idea to not accuse the same people of being 'biodrones' if the idea is to play innocent in the next post? Did the EC fix the ending? That's news to me. I'll take your word on it.
Is not biodrone is a legitimate term for Bioware fans? I seemed to recall even the developers using it. I'm not going to accept your negativity. Keep it to yourself please.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 7, 2017 18:55:22 GMT
Second, we have the DAI example. It sold very well, had a good receptionI don't know if I can accurately equate DAI with MEA, but the forums were a mess when DAI was released. Many bugs, "the game is too big", "I didn't pay for open world", "Why do the Hinterlands suck so bad" etc. I know that the external reaction was much better, but I still recall a high degree of Complainy McComplainyPants after release. And then a lot of anxiety about how well it sold, just like now. So there's literally no way to know if it has legs. I'd say many of the people on this forum are still playing, and if they're not playing they're invested enough to buy and play a DLC. ... where you can play on your own but you can call in friends and have them drop in and out of the game. That's why I have EVE Online. I'll just go back to that when I'm done with Andromeda. (And it doesn't look like I'll be done with Andromeda anytime soon. Sorry, dudes in my corp!)
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