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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:45:38 GMT
They had one loose end in DAI, but yeah, MEA has so many, it would take 3 DLC's (Quarian, Jardaan, Garson) to resolve them, plus a goodbye to Ryder (reunite with Ellen maybe) tbh I was hoping that the Ellen thing was going to be in the sequel. The Jardaan is connected to the Scourge, so I don't know how you resolve that in a DLC. And I guess it would be another protag but I don't want it to be because my Ryder discovered all that shit, man. You know? I'm just saying. Same! This is Ryder's story dammit!
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 1, 2017 18:46:27 GMT
Wouldn't it be good public relations if they simply said yes or no to DLC, to address people/fans/customers who actually give it shit.........is it asking that much?? No, it wouldn't. Yes and no are commitments. With the No being a certain recipe for an avoidable shitstorm by not commenting. You have to keep in mind that you're not dealing with persons being up for a friendly chat here or the corner Deli that freely tells you what's on the menu. This are multi million dollar corporations answering to their shareholders. Everything that's said, apart from Gamble commenting on patch progress off and on, is filtered through their PR department. And one of the golden rules of PR is to never communicate a negative. If it can be avoided at all. And before anyone brings up the DA2 expansion again. They made a commitment by announcing a possible expansion. So in this case they had to comment, as opposed to MEA where they said nothing at all. So, if there is a DLC, they will let you know. If there is none, they will let you know by not publishing one but not by communicating it's absence or the reasons. Same goes for the whole ME franchise for that matter. LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2017 18:50:17 GMT
This whole lack of transpetency:
1. Andromeda had a stingy enough marketing campaign to begin with.
2. Fans complaining that certain features were not in Dragon age inquisition when the game was showed off at a boy public demo which was probably illegally taped.
And one more time...say it with me. Bioware is not in the habit of releasing or announcong information on dlc until weeks before it comes out. Which based on other trends of theirs is still a full month out.
But nope let's assume they are manipulating us for transactions.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2017 18:51:49 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Yes and no are commitments. With the No being a certain recipe for an avoidable shitstorm by not commenting. You have to keep in mind that you're not dealing with persons being up for a friendly chat here or the corner Deli that freely tells you what's on the menu. This are multi million dollar corporations answering to their shareholders. Everything that's said, apart from Gamble commenting on patch progress off and on, is filtered through their PR department. And one of the golden rules of PR is to never communicate a negative. If it can be avoided at all. And before anyone brings up the DA2 expansion again. They made a commitment by announcing a possible expansion. So in this case they had to comment, as opposed to MEA where they said nothing at all. So, if there is a DLC, they will let you know. If there is none, they will let you know by not publishing one but not by communicating it's absence or the reasons. Same goes for the whole ME franchise for that matter. LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions. why not?
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 19:02:22 GMT
LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions. If you don't know the first thing on how corporate communications work, don't blame it on me. Also they didn't anything to put the Quarian DLC on the menu. The players did by reading a hidden message at the end of the game. They didn't announce it or something.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 19:04:22 GMT
- Not commenting on ME being on hiatus.
- Not commenting on MEA's 3 year troubled development.
- Not commenting on the disappearing negative GlassDoor reviews.
- Can say that Anthem which isn't released yet will get 10 year support, but they can't say anything about DLC on 4 month old game with only 1 year support.
- Not specifying the amount of BW Montréal developers moved to Motive Studios to work on Star Wars, and how much are left to continue working on MEA.
There's also the not denouncing Manveer Heir's racist comments, and just leaving it at "he's not working on BW anymore".Such a sense of entitlement. All of this is none of our business unless they decide they want to talk to us about it. There really is some wacky thinking going around that BW owes us every detail about every facet of the inner workings of it. It does not. We are owed nothing but that they deliver a game that is playable. Even whether or not we like it is our own personal taste. They cannot please everyone despite their endless attempts to do so. That seems to be what gets them in more and more trouble. Frankly, this sort of post reminds me of rabid fans who insist their favorite stars divulge details of their private lives - who they are dating, what they do, their sexual orientation, their reasons for career choices... you name it! In the end it's nobody's fucking business. No, they don't owe anything, but they need to be aware that fans don't like vague comments and in the end of the day it's their fans that spend money on their products thus deciding the fate of the game and not the investors and shareholders. Examples: Bethesda - paid mods, GTA - banned mods getting negative reviews, Hitman and DEMD failed to reach sales mark, Square Enix/Paradox Interactive getting negative reviews for raising prices after game release and no proper localisation for the region they released the game. This is not about how anyone spends their money, this is about transparency. Do people not care they give vague answers to keep interest in the game for possible profits through MEAMP's microtransactions? To put it simply: there is no DLC, they are just using us for short-term profits through microtransactions, because they know the playerbase will decrease in MEAMP if they give a definitive "No" on the DLC. good god, they are not "using" you for microtransactions. nobody is forcing you to spend money on their multiplayer. Not me, anyone that believes there will be a DLC due to vague comments and will spend time and money on MEAMP in hopes there is a DLC. Again this thread is about their transparency and not specifically the DLC, as it's not the only thing they're silent on. They didn't comment on the downsizing of Montréal, did someone lose their job after MEA release?, was someone fired if they refused to join Motive Studios and preferred to stay on MEA?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 1, 2017 19:09:03 GMT
Such a sense of entitlement. All of this is none of our business unless they decide they want to talk to us about it. There really is some wacky thinking going around that BW owes us every detail about every facet of the inner workings of it. It does not. We are owed nothing but that they deliver a game that is playable. Even whether or not we like it is our own personal taste. They cannot please everyone despite their endless attempts to do so. That seems to be what gets them in more and more trouble. Frankly, this sort of post reminds me of rabid fans who insist their favorite stars divulge details of their private lives - who they are dating, what they do, their sexual orientation, their reasons for career choices... you name it! In the end it's nobody's fucking business. No, they don't owe anything, but they need to be aware that fans don't like vague comments and in the end of the day it's their fans that spend money on their products thus deciding the fate of the game and not the investors and shareholders. Examples: Bethesda - paid mods, GTA - banned mods getting negative reviews, Hitman and DEMD failed to reach sales mark, Square Enix/Paradox Interactive getting negative reviews for raising prices after game release and no proper localisation for the region they released the game. good god, they are not "using" you for microtransactions. nobody is forcing you to spend money on their multiplayer. Not me, anyone that believes there will be a DLC due to vague comments and will spend time and money on MEAMP in hopes there is a DLC. Again this thread is about their transparency and not specifically the DLC, as it's not the only thing they're silent on. They didn't comment on the downsizing of Montréal, did someone lose their job after MEA release?, was someone fired if they refused to join Motive Studios and preferred to stay on MEA? dude i haven't spent a single cent on meamp
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:09:37 GMT
No, it wouldn't. Yes and no are commitments. With the No being a certain recipe for an avoidable shitstorm by not commenting. You have to keep in mind that you're not dealing with persons being up for a friendly chat here or the corner Deli that freely tells you what's on the menu. This are multi million dollar corporations answering to their shareholders. Everything that's said, apart from Gamble commenting on patch progress off and on, is filtered through their PR department. And one of the golden rules of PR is to never communicate a negative. If it can be avoided at all. And before anyone brings up the DA2 expansion again. They made a commitment by announcing a possible expansion. So in this case they had to comment, as opposed to MEA where they said nothing at all. So, if there is a DLC, they will let you know. If there is none, they will let you know by not publishing one but not by communicating it's absence or the reasons. Same goes for the whole ME franchise for that matter. LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions. Their PR stance is highly likely a legal one that people who do not understand business practices cannot or willfully will not comprehend. And yes, I will defend their practice all I want because I am wise enough to know that there are things that often cannot be discussed due to legal implications be it a basic NDA or something like SEC regulations. Do I know what the reasons are? No. But I don't need to know them to understand that if they could tell us they would because it really is not in their best interest to not tell us when the hype alone would very likely guarantee them far more money. So you give me a break and try to use your mind to comprehend something outside your current level of understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:10:38 GMT
No, they don't owe anything, but they need to be aware that fans don't like vague comments and in the end of the day it's their fans that spend money on their products thus deciding the fate of the game and not the investors and shareholders. Examples: Bethesda - paid mods, GTA - banned mods getting negative reviews, Hitman and DEMD failed to reach sales mark, Square Enix/Paradox Interactive getting negative reviews for raising prices after game release and no proper localisation for the region they released the game. Not me, anyone that believes there will be a DLC due to vague comments and will spend time and money on MEAMP in hopes there is a DLC. Again this thread is about their transparency and not specifically the DLC, as it's not the only thing they're silent on. They didn't comment on the downsizing of Montréal, did someone lose their job after MEA release?, was someone fired if they refused to join Motive Studios and preferred to stay on MEA? dude i haven't spent a single cent on meamp lol yeah why would I spend MP money for SP DLC?
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 19:21:08 GMT
LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions. Their PR stance is highly likely a legal one that people who do not understand business practices cannot or willfully will not comprehend. And yes, I will defend their practice all I want because I am wise enough to know that there are things that often cannot be discussed due to legal implications be it a basic NDA or something like SEC regulations. Do I know what the reasons are? No. But I don't need to know them to understand that if they could tell us they would because it really is not in their best interest to not tell us when the hype alone would very likely guarantee them far more money. So you give me a break and try to use your mind to comprehend something outside your current level of understanding. You miss the point, fans don't care about legal stuff and PR bullshit. If there are legal reasons they ain't talking about stuff, then all their forms of communications with fans are null, and nothing but pretending to "engage" while still not talking about stuff. This duality of "we engage with our fans but we actually don't" is an issue.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 1, 2017 19:28:44 GMT
Their PR stance is highly likely a legal one that people who do not understand business practices cannot or willfully will not comprehend. And yes, I will defend their practice all I want because I am wise enough to know that there are things that often cannot be discussed due to legal implications be it a basic NDA or something like SEC regulations. Do I know what the reasons are? No. But I don't need to know them to understand that if they could tell us they would because it really is not in their best interest to not tell us when the hype alone would very likely guarantee them far more money. So you give me a break and try to use your mind to comprehend something outside your current level of understanding. You miss the point, fans don't care about legal stuff and PR bullshit. If there are legal reasons they ain't talking about stuff, then all their forms of communications with fans are null, and nothing but pretending to "engage" while still not talking about stuff. This duality of "we engage with our fans but we actually don't" is an issue. fans don't care about legal stuff but investors certainly do, and EA care a lot more about their investors than their fans. is that fair? no, of course not. but EA are a business and they will act like one. expecting them not to is naive and only setting you up for future disappointment.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
This duality of "we engage with our fans but we actually don't" is an issue. There is no duality in this statement. It's a PR statement in itself. A quite basic one that's used by many companies. Not only in gaming. Also, it's less the legal stuff dictating corporate communications. It's simply the basic rule of never to communicate a negative. Every message is geared at creating positivity. That's why you always read words like "exciting", "new approach", "we care for our customers/fans", stuff like that.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 19:39:18 GMT
You miss the point, fans don't care about legal stuff and PR bullshit. If there are legal reasons they ain't talking about stuff, then all their forms of communications with fans are null, and nothing but pretending to "engage" while still not talking about stuff. This duality of "we engage with our fans but we actually don't" is an issue. Well, that bolded part is certainly unfair and disingenuous. Not only because I care about it, because I do understand certain aspects of business, having been a grown-up for some time now. There are also a lot of people here telling you why legal issues matter. So you're just wrong to claim that fans don't care about "legal stuff."
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You miss the point, fans don't care about legal stuff and PR bullshit. If there are legal reasons they ain't talking about stuff, then all their forms of communications with fans are null, and nothing but pretending to "engage" while still not talking about stuff. This duality of "we engage with our fans but we actually don't" is an issue. fans don't care about legal stuff but investors certainly do, and EA care a lot more about their investors than their fans. is that fair? no, of course not. but EA are a business and they will act like one. expecting them not to is naive and only setting you up for future disappointment. Exactly. There have been multiple employees that have said "there are things we just cannot talk about" which means no matter how many angry forum posts or moronic clickbait articles/YouTube Videos are made they won't talk about it until they are able to. EA is a lot more afraid of pissing off investors then players for investors cost them a lot more money and when it is dictated that you cannot talk about something rarely it is the PR department making that decision, its been made by people that can order your termination. I really don't understand why people are demanding to know if DLC is in the works anyway. Its not like you are being forced not to move on and play other games and if there is DLC come back when it is released. If you have moved on and don't want to play anymore then BioWare is losing out on that sale, but frankly as posted above they are more nervous of multi-million dollar lawsuits from investors then the possibility of some fans being upset they weren't given a guarantee that DLC is on the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 19:54:45 GMT
fans don't care about legal stuff but investors certainly do, and EA care a lot more about their investors than their fans. is that fair? no, of course not. but EA are a business and they will act like one. expecting them not to is naive and only setting you up for future disappointment. Exactly. There have been multiple employees that have said "there are things we just cannot talk about" which means no matter how many angry forum posts or moronic clickbait articles/YouTube Videos are made they won't talk about it until they are able to. EA is a lot more afraid of pissing off investors then players for investors cost them a lot more money and when it is dictated that you cannot talk about something rarely it is the PR department making that decision, its been made by people that can order your termination. I really don't understand why people are demanding to know if DLC is in the works anyway. Its not like you are being forced not to move on and play other games and if there is DLC come back when it is released. If you have moved on and don't want to play anymore then BioWare is losing out on that sale, but frankly as posted above they are more nervous of multi-million dollar lawsuits from investors then the possibility of some fans being upset they weren't given a guarantee that DLC is on the way. To be fair, in many cases people are okay to just wait but crappy journalists insist on repeatedly telling them they won't get anything. In fact, I think the whole of this is more about that than them needing to hear it. However repeatedly being told they won't get something they want and kind of expect can make people terribly cranky. Rightly so. It's pretty awful that these journalists get off on doing that. Something is not right with people who think that is a good way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 20:01:42 GMT
Exactly. There have been multiple employees that have said "there are things we just cannot talk about" which means no matter how many angry forum posts or moronic clickbait articles/YouTube Videos are made they won't talk about it until they are able to. EA is a lot more afraid of pissing off investors then players for investors cost them a lot more money and when it is dictated that you cannot talk about something rarely it is the PR department making that decision, its been made by people that can order your termination. I really don't understand why people are demanding to know if DLC is in the works anyway. Its not like you are being forced not to move on and play other games and if there is DLC come back when it is released. If you have moved on and don't want to play anymore then BioWare is losing out on that sale, but frankly as posted above they are more nervous of multi-million dollar lawsuits from investors then the possibility of some fans being upset they weren't given a guarantee that DLC is on the way. To be fair, in many cases people are okay to just wait but crappy journalists insist on repeatedly telling them they won't get anything. In fact, I think the whole of this is more about that than them needing to hear it. However repeatedly being told they won't get something they want and kind of expect can make people terribly cranky. Rightly so. It's pretty awful that these journalists get off on doing that. Something is not right with people who think that is a good way to go. It really is all about the articles. If there were none, everyone would be chill right now I bet.
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 1, 2017 20:17:10 GMT
LOL....give me a break,we are not talking about Fallout5 or Skyrim2 or Witcher4.......we are talking DLC for Andomeda......stop trying to justify EA/Bioware's rather pathetic PR. Bioware themselves more or less put Quarian DLC on the Andromeda menu.......you can't end a game in that way and expect people not to ask questions.......and you certainly can't ignore those who ask the questions. Their PR stance is highly likely a legal one that people who do not understand business practices cannot or willfully will not comprehend. And yes, I will defend their practice all I want because I am wise enough to know that there are things that often cannot be discussed due to legal implications be it a basic NDA or something like SEC regulations. Do I know what the reasons are? No. But I don't need to know them to understand that if they could tell us they would because it really is not in their best interest to not tell us when the hype alone would very likely guarantee them far more money. So you give me a break and try to use your mind to comprehend something outside your current level of understanding. Absolute rubbish.....if Bioware can announce an Andromeda book.....they sure as hell can announce Andromeda DLC.......tell me,what harm comes from confirming DLC??????
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 20:19:09 GMT
It is duality, fans are fans and investors are investors, they can't say the same bullshit they do to investors to their fans and pretend we will just accept it. You're either open to talk about stuff or you don't, anything in between is pure shit. If you say "we work on something" you should expect the following question "what are you working on?", and if the answer is "can't talk about it" then you shouldn't mention you work on something in the first place. "Maybe's" are irrelevant, this isn't the quantum theory. Let's just leave it as Schrödinger's DLC.
If we are to talk about legal stuff, here are some: Negative GlassDoor reviews deleted - Why were they deleted?, what happened to those made the negative reviews? No word about the downsizing and the 3 year troubled development - Did someone lose their job?, were people forced to move to Motive Studios or be fired?, what are the current working conditions at BW Montréal?, is HR even aware?
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Post by malgus on Jul 1, 2017 20:49:07 GMT
Their PR stance is highly likely a legal one that people who do not understand business practices cannot or willfully will not comprehend. And yes, I will defend their practice all I want because I am wise enough to know that there are things that often cannot be discussed due to legal implications be it a basic NDA or something like SEC regulations. Do I know what the reasons are? No. But I don't need to know them to understand that if they could tell us they would because it really is not in their best interest to not tell us when the hype alone would very likely guarantee them far more money. So you give me a break and try to use your mind to comprehend something outside your current level of understanding. Absolute rubbish.....if Bioware can announce an Andromeda book.....they sure as hell can announce Andromeda DLC.......tell me,what harm comes from confirming DLC??????
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 1, 2017 20:56:17 GMT
Exactly. There have been multiple employees that have said "there are things we just cannot talk about" which means no matter how many angry forum posts or moronic clickbait articles/YouTube Videos are made they won't talk about it until they are able to. EA is a lot more afraid of pissing off investors then players for investors cost them a lot more money and when it is dictated that you cannot talk about something rarely it is the PR department making that decision, its been made by people that can order your termination. I really don't understand why people are demanding to know if DLC is in the works anyway. Its not like you are being forced not to move on and play other games and if there is DLC come back when it is released. If you have moved on and don't want to play anymore then BioWare is losing out on that sale, but frankly as posted above they are more nervous of multi-million dollar lawsuits from investors then the possibility of some fans being upset they weren't given a guarantee that DLC is on the way. To be fair, in many cases people are okay to just wait but crappy journalists insist on repeatedly telling them they won't get anything. In fact, I think the whole of this is more about that than them needing to hear it. However repeatedly being told they won't get something they want and kind of expect can make people terribly cranky. Rightly so. It's pretty awful that these journalists get off on doing that. Something is not right with people who think that is a good way to go.damn straight. You can make your point and then move on. There's a lot more than BioWare. Personally, Gearbox is a company that I want someone to expose. They've mastered the art of screwing over critics, fans and themselves. Of course, compared to EA, Gearbox are amateurs.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 21:01:04 GMT
Absolute rubbish.....if Bioware can announce an Andromeda book.....they sure as hell can announce Andromeda DLC.......tell me,what harm comes from confirming DLC?????? Because the book's written but the DLC not produced. That's why they can announce the book but not the DLC. Is that really so hard to understand. If they have a DLC they will announce it. They won't confirm what isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 21:21:00 GMT
Absolute rubbish.....if Bioware can announce an Andromeda book.....they sure as hell can announce Andromeda DLC.......tell me,what harm comes from confirming DLC?????? Because the book's written but the DLC not produced. That's why they can announce the book but not the DLC. Is that really so hard to understand. If they have a DLC they will announce it. They won't confirm what isn't there. Fair enough... but to jump from the DLC is not produced yet to the DLC will never be produced is as real leap. For all we know, they have some technical issues with it that they don't want to put a time limit on solving by announcing a DLC. It could also be that they've temporarily stopped production because they're waiting on the VA strike to be resolved so they can finish recording for it... and not knowing when that strike might be settled, they don't want to commit to announcing it right now. They could also have some unresolved contract disputes that their legal department are working on resolving... and they would almost certainly not talk about anything like that publicly. There are a number of possible reasons for their not announcing it that are not "We don't want to announce that there will never be a DLC"... and that is what the "negative camp" is determined to not recognized... instead calling everyone else "delusional" for recognizing that, at this stage, a DLC is still possible (note: not assured, but still possible).
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Post by duckley on Jul 1, 2017 21:23:37 GMT
I just want two things.... a patch in which the font is readable and at lest one DLC. Where is the best place to make my request of Bioware/EA.....
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 1, 2017 21:26:01 GMT
I just want two things.... a patch in which the font is readable and at lest one DLC. Where is the best place to make my request of Bioware/EA..... They really love Twitter. Perhaps @masseffect ...
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 21:31:08 GMT
I just want two things.... a patch in which the font is readable and at lest one DLC. Where is the best place to make my request of Bioware/EA..... I just want two things.... a patch in which the font is readable and at lest one DLC. Where is the best place to make my request of Bioware/EA..... They really love Twitter. Perhaps @masseffect ... My third eye sees their reply will be "we're looking into it"/"can't talk about it".
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