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Post by darkway1 on Jul 1, 2017 16:43:59 GMT
I think EA/Bioware's PR/communication behaviour has a lot to do with how their business currently works,they produce content based on meta data and sales,they don't want to commit to anything unless they know it's going to sell. By releasing zero information,you negate the need to confirm or deny anything......"we are unable to comment at this time"......it's all bullshit in my opinion,Bioware has a huge fan base,thank less people who created forums in response to EA/Bioware closing theirs down,in the name of better communication via other platforms.......and yet here we are back to square one......"we are unable to comment at this time". ... because they are unable to comment at this time. The decision may not be made yet. I really don't understand what anyone here has to gain by hearing that DLC is coming or not. The game itself doesn't have an expiry date (i.e. if you bought it, you got it.). It's not going up in price (if you haven't bought it yet, it'll probably be even cheaper to wait to buy it later); and it's not like they absolutely have to play the DLC by a certain date or the game is going to disappear from their system or they can't play something else in the meantime. Why should Bioware have to continually feed pacifiers to it's over-excitable fans who insist of driving themselves into a tizzy and/or allowing non-news drive them into a tizzy. The article basically says, we are waiting on an official announcement from Bioware. So wait - you have nothing to lose by waiting... patiently... and your heart will thank you for it. Wouldn't it be good public relations if they simply said yes or no to DLC, to address people/fans/customers who actually give it shit.........is it asking that much??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:44:38 GMT
I might sub this Fall then. Just don't want to sub and then it just shuts down. It's the only online game I ever enjoyed because I could focus on SP, though sometimes I'd help another player, or they would help me, which was very sweet. I wouldn't worry about it going anywhere, Charles Boyd (Creative Director for SWTOR) said on the forums that KOTFE and KOTET was their most successful expansions by a significant margin. Of course, there's the normal doom and gloom brigade on the forums and reddit that are all like "that can't be true, it doesn't align with our views- they must therefore be lying" but given the uptake in communication from the dev team I really wouldn't worry. That's a relief! While my Consular was seriously neglected in KOTFE and KOTET, I did love the conclusion to that arc!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:45:15 GMT
Did anyone find proof in that one article where they said the devs told fans they would tie up loose ends in a satisfying way? I never found the source for this claim. It was some Twitch stream with the writers apparently. 1 day after that article was the SN hoax, then Kotaku a day later. I'm not sure why you're querying me on that. I was referring only to the tweet from the one employee saying she was working on something exciting. lol wasn't supposed to quote you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:07:54 GMT
... because they are unable to comment at this time. The decision may not be made yet. I really don't understand what anyone here has to gain by hearing that DLC is coming or not. The game itself doesn't have an expiry date (i.e. if you bought it, you got it.). It's not going up in price (if you haven't bought it yet, it'll probably be even cheaper to wait to buy it later); and it's not like they absolutely have to play the DLC by a certain date or the game is going to disappear from their system or they can't play something else in the meantime. Why should Bioware have to continually feed pacifiers to it's over-excitable fans who insist of driving themselves into a tizzy and/or allowing non-news drive them into a tizzy. The article basically says, we are waiting on an official announcement from Bioware. So wait - you have nothing to lose by waiting... patiently... and your heart will thank you for it. Wouldn't it be good public relations if they simply said yes or no to DLC, to address people/fans/customers who actually give it shit.........is it asking that much?? No, it would not be good public relations... It just fuels the badgering for the next round. It's a slippery slope. They answer to one trumped up/imaginary article to "pacify" fans who have been incited by this sort of slip-shod media, and they just immediately get hit with yet another article inciting a different riot over something else. They'd be spending all their time putting out these internet fires... instead of making their games. They'd be blowing all their budget on paying PR types to do that job instead of spending money on making their games. The impatient fans "won" when ME:A was not delayed a second time. The fan "reaction" to the mere possibility of a further delay was very adamantly negative... and we all know the result of that, don't we? The game was released in an unfinished state. Fact is that developers love DLC. It's easy money for them. If they're rushed into it though, we will probably get a lesser quality DLC than we would if we just let them know we really want DLC, would likely buy it if they do it, and then just wait for them to make it. Your copy of the game isn't a frog... it's not going to jump away in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:08:54 GMT
Wouldn't it be good public relations if they simply said yes or no to DLC, to address people/fans/customers who actually give it shit.........is it asking that much?? No, it would not be good public relations... It just fuels the badgering for the next round. It's a slippery slope. They answer to one trumped up/imagery article to "pacify" fans who have been incited by this sort of slip-shod media, and they just immediately get hit with yet another article inciting a different riot over something else. They'd be spending all their time putting out these internet fires... instead of making their games. They'd be blowing all their budget on paying PR types to do that job instead of spending money on making their games. The impatient fans "won" when ME:A was not delayed a second time. The fan "reaction" to the mere possibility of a further delay was very adamantly negative... and we all no the result of that, don't we? The game was released in an unfinished state.
Fact is that developers love DLC. It's easy money for them. If they're rushed into it though, we will probably get a lesser quality DLC than we would if we just let them know we really want DLC, would likely buy it if they do it, and then just wait for them to make it. Your copy of the game isn't a frog... it's not going to jump away in the meantime. That's news to me and makes so much sense! That is also what happened with Jaal. Fans were getting really nasty and tired of waiting. I said the wait means it'll be worth it. It was. They got something very special just for them, with beautiful animations and excellent voice acting!
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 17:09:57 GMT
Wouldn't it be good public relations if they simply said yes or no to DLC, to address people/fans/customers who actually give it shit.........is it asking that much?? No, it wouldn't. Yes and no are commitments. With the No being a certain recipe for an avoidable shitstorm by not commenting. You have to keep in mind that you're not dealing with persons being up for a friendly chat here or the corner Deli that freely tells you what's on the menu. This are multi million dollar corporations answering to their shareholders. Everything that's said, apart from Gamble commenting on patch progress off and on, is filtered through their PR department. And one of the golden rules of PR is to never communicate a negative. If it can be avoided at all. And before anyone brings up the DA2 expansion again. They made a commitment by announcing a possible expansion. So in this case they had to comment, as opposed to MEA where they said nothing at all. So, if there is a DLC, they will let you know. If there is none, they will let you know by not publishing one but not by communicating it's absence or the reasons. Same goes for the whole ME franchise for that matter.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 17:37:09 GMT
Do you know the definition of "vague"? They did say they can't talk about it. They either work on the DLC and it's a good thing which doesn't make sense hiding it, or they don't and simply hide behind non-definitive answers to avoid the shitstorm after saying "No". There's also the upcoming N7 day and November 16 2017 when ME turns 10 years old. They can't drag this forever, do they really think they can stay silent till MEA support ends on April 2018 and pretend their vague tweets will be forgotten and trying to shift focus on Anthem/DA4?, fans want answers, their vague replies about the DLC in order to keep interest in MEAMP-microtransactions won't be forgotten.
"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 17:42:38 GMT
Do you know the definition of "vague"? They did say they can't talk about it. They either work on the DLC and it's a good thing which doesn't make sense hiding it, or they don't and simply hide behind non-definitive answers to avoid the shitstorm after saying "No". Is the concept of not commiting themselves really so hard to understand? Is it so hard to understand that they can't comment, since they are not at liberty to comment? What company do you work for? Would you be celebrated for taking to twitter to make a definite statement on what your company does or doesn't do? Or wouldn't you rather get the boot for saying something like that? These aren't your buddies. These are leading employees of a major shareholder business.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:53:47 GMT
Do you know the definition of "vague"? They did say they can't talk about it. They either work on the DLC and it's a good thing which doesn't make sense hiding it, or they don't and simply hide behind non-definitive answers to avoid the shitstorm after saying "No". There's also the upcoming N7 day and November 16 2017 when ME turns 10 years old. They can't drag this forever, do they really think they can stay silent till MEA support ends on April 2018 and pretend their vague tweets will be forgotten and trying to shift focus on Anthem/DA4?, fans want answers, their vague replies about the DLC in order to keep interest in MEAMP-microtransactions won't be forgotten. "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King Jr. and a child screaming in the back seat "Are we there yet?" doesn't get the family to their destination any faster. It just makes the driver more irritated and more likely to get into a car wreck.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 17:54:47 GMT
Then they need to stop pretending they care about fan feedback, delete their forums, twitter and reddit and everything else. Fans don't want PR talk, they can shove it to their investors in their fiscal reports. The DLC either exists or not.
That is assuming there is a destination and the driver doesn't just go in circles pretending to reaching the destination.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:56:41 GMT
Then they need to stop pretending they care about fan feedback, delete their forums, twitter and reddit and everything else. Fans don't want PR talk, they can shove it to their investors in their fiscal reports. The DLC either exists or not. That is assuming there is a destination and the driver doesn't just go in circles pretending to reaching the destination. Right... so wait for their announcement and save yourself the frustration of screaming "Are we there yet?" every two seconds. (BTW - even if the driver is going in circles... all that screaming only has the same effect... making the driver more irritated and more likely to get into a car wreck.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 17:58:13 GMT
Then they need to stop pretending they care about fan feedback, delete their forums, twitter and reddit and everything else. Fans don't want PR talk, they can shove it to their investors in their fiscal reports. The DLC either exists or not. Right... so wait for their announcement and save yourself the frustration of screaming "Are we there yet?" every two seconds. Yeah you made an excellent point that when they catered to fans demanding the game out early, we got what we got. I am happy to wait for the next 2 months and just enjoy MEA as I always do in the meantime.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Jul 1, 2017 17:58:58 GMT
Then they need to stop pretending they care about fan feedback, delete their forums, twitter and reddit and everything else. Fans don't want PR talk, they can shove it to their investors in their fiscal reports. The DLC either exists or not. That is assuming there is a destination and the driver doesn't just go in circles pretending to reaching the destination. Well, they did delete their forums...
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Post by rras1994 on Jul 1, 2017 18:00:43 GMT
Then they need to stop pretending they care about fan feedback, delete their forums, twitter and reddit and everything else. Fans don't want PR talk, they can shove it to their investors in their fiscal reports. The DLC either exists or not. That is assuming there is a destination and the driver doesn't just go in circles pretending to reaching the destination. Wanting feedback on their products has got nothing to do with announcing products. They want feedback so that they can improve their products. That doesn't mean they have to announce their plans for a game after every article predicting doom. If they did that, it would show that they can be forced to change their schedule plans hence encouraging more of that behavior from both fans and journalists. And there's a world of difference between giving fans every little detail of their plans and what they're doing and not interacting to their fans at all. Most reasonable people expect something in between.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 18:07:33 GMT
BW right now: [ ] We work on DLC. [ ] We don't work on DLC. [X] We don't work on DLC but we give non-definitive answers to keep interest in MEAMP.
This is about their transparency, and possible malice intent by keeping being vague for the sake of MEAMP's microtransactions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:12:02 GMT
BW right now: [ ] We work on DLC. [ ] We don't work on DLC. [X] We don't work on DLC but we give non-definitive answers to keep interest in MEAMP-Microtransactions. This is about their transparency, and possible malice intent by keeping being vague for the sake of MEAMP's microtransactions. Then just don't spend any of your money of MEAMP's microtransactions and stop caring whether or not anyone else does. It's none of your business how they spend their money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:12:30 GMT
August will make it 5 months, about the same time the DAI DLC's came out. You can't compare it to the MET DLC since the engine is not the same. Wait until then. By the end of August, you'll have your answer. No DLC goes past the 5 month wait unless it ends up connected to the September 1st novel (even that still makes August the deadline).
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 18:19:07 GMT
BW right now: [ ] We work on DLC. [ ] We don't work on DLC. [X] We don't work on DLC but we give non-definitive answers to keep interest in MEAMP-Microtransactions. This is about their transparency, and possible malice intent by keeping being vague for the sake of MEAMP's microtransactions. Then just don't spend any of your money of MEAMP's microtransactions and stop caring whether or not anyone else does. It's none of your business how they spend their money. This is not about how anyone spends their money, this is about transparency. Do people not care they give vague answers to keep interest in the game for possible profits through MEAMP's microtransactions? To put it simply: there is no DLC, they are just using us for short-term profits through microtransactions, because they know the playerbase will decrease in MEAMP if they give a definitive "No" on the DLC.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 18:28:21 GMT
They intended a saga if all went well for MEA, but Ryder's story was meant to end in this game the way they talked about it. That's why people want DLC and closure. Wait, I hadn't heard this. I like Ryder. And why go to the trouble of having a unique, default Sara and Scott if you're not going with a trilogy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:30:03 GMT
They intended a saga if all went well for MEA, but Ryder's story was meant to end in this game the way they talked about it. That's why people want DLC and closure. Wait, I hadn't heard this. I like Ryder. And why go to the trouble of having a unique, default Sara and Scott if you're not going with a trilogy? Yeah they want a Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor thing, not a Shepard trilogy. However this was when people were shitting on Ryder for not being cool like Shepard (game wasn't even out yet), so that could change.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:30:55 GMT
- Not commenting on ME being on hiatus.
- Not commenting on MEA's 3 year troubled development.
- Not commenting on the disappearing negative GlassDoor reviews.
- Can say that Anthem which isn't released yet will get 10 year support, but they can't say anything about DLC on 4 month old game with only 1 year support.
- Not specifying the amount of BW Montréal developers moved to Motive Studios to work on Star Wars, and how much are left to continue working on MEA.
There's also the not denouncing Manveer Heir's racist comments, and just leaving it at "he's not working on BW anymore".Such a sense of entitlement. All of this is none of our business unless they decide they want to talk to us about it. There really is some wacky thinking going around that BW owes us every detail about every facet of the inner workings of it. It does not. We are owed nothing but that they deliver a game that is playable. Even whether or not we like it is our own personal taste. They cannot please everyone despite their endless attempts to do so. That seems to be what gets them in more and more trouble. Frankly, this sort of post reminds me of rabid fans who insist their favorite stars divulge details of their private lives - who they are dating, what they do, their sexual orientation, their reasons for career choices... you name it! In the end it's nobody's fucking business.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 18:32:09 GMT
Wait, I hadn't heard this. I like Ryder. And why go to the trouble of having a unique, default Sara and Scott if you're not going with a trilogy? Yeah they want a Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor thing, not a Shepard trilogy. However this was when people were shitting on Ryder for not being cool like Shepard (game wasn't even out yet), so that could change. That's weird. The loose ends don't lead me to believe that they can all be tied up in a couple of DLC's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 18:33:54 GMT
Yeah they want a Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor thing, not a Shepard trilogy. However this was when people were shitting on Ryder for not being cool like Shepard (game wasn't even out yet), so that could change. That's weird. The loose ends don't lead me to believe that they can all be tied up in a couple of DLC's. They had one loose end in DAI, but yeah, MEA has so many, it would take 3 DLC's (Quarian, Jardaan, Garson) to resolve them, plus a goodbye to Ryder (reunite with Ellen maybe)
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Post by haolyn on Jul 1, 2017 18:38:07 GMT
Then just don't spend any of your money of MEAMP's microtransactions and stop caring whether or not anyone else does. It's none of your business how they spend their money. This is not about how anyone spends their money, this is about transparency. Do people not care they give vague answers to keep interest in the game for possible profits through MEAMP's microtransactions? To put it simply: there is no DLC, they are just using us for short-term profits through microtransactions, because they know the playerbase will decrease in MEAMP if they give a definitive "No" on the DLC. good god, they are not "using" you for microtransactions. nobody is forcing you to spend money on their multiplayer.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 1, 2017 18:44:16 GMT
That's weird. The loose ends don't lead me to believe that they can all be tied up in a couple of DLC's. They had one loose end in DAI, but yeah, MEA has so many, it would take 3 DLC's (Quarian, Jardaan, Garson) to resolve them, plus a goodbye to Ryder (reunite with Ellen maybe) tbh I was hoping that the Ellen thing was going to be in the sequel. The Jardaan is connected to the Scourge, so I don't know how you resolve that in a DLC. And I guess it would be another protag but I don't want it to be because my Ryder discovered all that shit, man. You know? I'm just saying.
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