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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 14:07:29 GMT
They would be stupid to keep ignoring the fans. People aren't gong to accept that anymore, so they will have to do a DA2 Expansion cancellation-type of announcement eventually. Then shit will fly. Don't you notice the difference here? They never promised anything for MEA. All there is are some players desperately looking for hints in the games and on every website that's spreading their own rumors and hyping each other into a frenzy. So why should the company counter a hype they haven't created? With DA2 they did annouce the expansion. So they had to say something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:08:27 GMT
They would be stupid to keep ignoring the fans. People aren't gong to accept that anymore, so they will have to do a DA2 Expansion cancellation-type of announcement eventually. Then shit will fly. Don't you notice the difference here? They never promised anything for MEA. All there is are some players desperately looking for hints in the games and on every website that's spreading their own rumors and hyping each other into a frenzy. So why should the company counter a hype they haven't created? With DA2 they did annouce the expansion. So they had to say something. Doesn't stop the fans. People aren't going to accept that. Not anymore.
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Post by jclosed on Jul 1, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
There's only two things that I foresee happening in the coming months: 1) They'll be much rejoicing and high fives across the board once they announce the dlc. Or 2) They'll be a shi**storm of epic proportions never before seen that'll actually make BSN crash if they actually say there won't be any dlc. I hope for the former. Kind of want the second one to happen lol Why? Do you want to see a company crash, and people loosing their jobs and income for their family, just because you do not get an DLC you want? Hmm... Let me think about that...
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 14:11:26 GMT
Doesn't stop the fans. People aren't going to accept that. Not anymore. What some fans are expecting isn't what dictates company policy or their lines of communication. They haven't spread the rumors. And so they won't respond. There will only be positive communication if there is something to be announced. Never a negative.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 1, 2017 14:12:14 GMT
The 10 year thing was mentioned be the devs if I recall. They think MP is God. Can you provide source for that? I never heard of that before and I doubt it's real. Not even MMO's give such promise, hell neither did the Bungie with Destiny. And those guys thought they were developing something truly revolutionary and new. Everything prior to E3 regarding Anthem touted this promise by Patrick Soderlund.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:13:41 GMT
Kind of want the second one to happen lol Why? Do you want to see a company crash, and people loosing their jobs and income for their family, just because you do not get an DLC you want? Hmm... Let me think about that... It shows MEA fans and ME fans cared enough to react, and BW should think twice before tossing them aside next time. As for me? Could care less about DLC anymore. I'm burned out from the shitstorm, and quite happy with my game and prefer it to stay with a happy ending.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 1, 2017 14:14:21 GMT
There's only two things that I foresee happening in the coming months: 1) They'll be much rejoicing and high fives across the board once they announce the dlc. Or 2) They'll be a shi**storm of epic proportions never before seen that'll actually make BSN crash if they actually say there won't be any dlc. I hope for the former. #2 won't happen. If there aren't any DLCs you will only know because they're absent. Not because of an official statement. For how stupid do you take these people? Which people? The people on here or BioWare's people? I'm just judging the reaction on here on the past couple of days between the hoax and the article. Look, they have to tell the fanbase whether or not there is going to be dlc on a official basis, they can't keep this silence forever. Where at the five month mark give or take a few days if were judging this on past history with BioWare dlc-if nothing gets announced soon. Sure, maybe i'm overreacting on the latter, but considering the actual reaction; I don't feel like i'm that far of--to be honest with you. That's how I feel anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:15:58 GMT
Why should they tell us anything? And the Anthem thing is like the Destiny thing, that was likely a vague generality or the intention to turn it into another franchise. I highly doubt Anthem itself will get ten years of support. Beacuse you are paying customers that actually have the right to know about the future of said product you paid money for. Just a guess. Buying a company's product does not give you a "right" to sit in that company's board room. If you want to know the future plans of a company, you should buy sufficient shares in the company to get appointed to the Board itself. Otherwise, you just have to wait until that board decides to make an announcement... like anyone else - public, customer, minor shareholder, and even employees.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:16:54 GMT
Doesn't stop the fans. People aren't going to accept that. Not anymore. What some fans are expecting isn't what dictates company policy or their lines of communication. They haven't spread the rumors. And so they won't respond. There will only be positive communication if there is something to be announced. Never a negative. That's really not how fans see things. This forum is proof of that. Sadly it will also affect other things, like Anthem. Many will not even give it a chance and we know how brutal fans can get, and it will always hold the taint of being known as the game that tossed ME fans to the curb. Nothing good is going to come of any of this in the end for BW/EA unless people get answers.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 14:17:16 GMT
"Anthem is a social game where you and your friends go on quests and journeys,” said Soderlund. “It’s a game that we’ve been working on for almost four years now, and once we launch it next year I think it’ll be the start of a ten-year journey for us.”That doesn't mean they will give 10 year support for the game. What they most likely mean they'll make sequels. Now you're wondering, why don't they say the same for ME:A. In fact they did, at Pax East. Walters stated they have no plans for sequel nor trilogy, instead will wait how will things settle in for future plans for Mass Effect. So here it is, BioWare stating they have no plans for sequel for ME:A pre-release. This is why EA and BioWare are so quiet about it, decision about this is not set in stone nor they made any public promise for either way. Hence why we are in the dark, unlike we were for Mass Effect trilogy where plans for trilogy were set in motion since ME1 production and now with Anthem where clearly EA and BioWare have a plan to make a franchise out of that new and untested IP.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 14:18:21 GMT
Which people? The people on here or BioWare's people? I'm just judging the reaction on here on the past couple of days between the hoax and the article. Look, they have to tell the fanbase whether or not there is going to be dlc on a official basis, they can't keep this silence forever. Where at the five month mark give or take a few days if were judging this on past history with BioWare dlc-if nothing gets announced soon. Sure, maybe i'm overreacting on the latter, but considering the actual reaction; I don't feel like i'm that far of--to be honest with you. That's how I feel anyway. The people at Bioware and/or EA. To be more specific their press and pr departments being there to advice the board on the lines of communications. A negative will never be communicated. Not without solid reason. And that reason is not internet people hyping themselves up over internet rumors, but something they themselves have created. Such as announcing an expansion that will never come. They didn't make any promises for MEA. Nothing, zilch, so they won't communicate a negative.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:19:40 GMT
"Anthem is a social game where you and your friends go on quests and journeys,” said Soderlund. “It’s a game that we’ve been working on for almost four years now, and once we launch it next year I think it’ll be the start of a ten-year journey for us.”That doesn't mean they will give 10 year support for the game. What they most likely mean they'll make sequels. Now you're wondering, why don't they say the same for ME:A. In fact they did, at Pax East. Walters stated they have no plans for sequel nor trilogy, instead will wait how will things settle in for future plans for Mass Effect. So here it is, BioWare stating they have no plans for sequel for ME:A pre-release. This is why EA and BioWare are so quiet about it, decision about this is not set in stone nor they made any public promise for either way. Hence why we are in the dark, unlike we were for Mass Effect trilogy where plans for trilogy were set in motion since ME1 production and now with Anthem where clearly EA and BioWare have a plan to make a franchise out of that new and untested IP. They intended a saga if all went well for MEA, but Ryder's story was meant to end in this game the way they talked about it. That's why people want DLC and closure.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 14:21:42 GMT
They intended a saga if all went well for MEA, but Ryder's story was meant to end in this game the way they talked about it. That's why people want DLC and closure. While I do have a feeling that Ryder will get Dragon Age treatment for protagonist in this new saga, BioWare never really stated that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:22:53 GMT
They intended a saga if all went well for MEA, but Ryder's story was meant to end in this game the way they talked about it. That's why people want DLC and closure. While I do have a feeling that Ryder will get Dragon Age treatment for protagonist in this new saga, BioWare never really stated that. That's what they hinted. Even said on Twitter that Ryder might show up in a future game, but not as the PC. They are planning the DA route, so in 5 years we'd get a sequel most likely with a new hero.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 14:28:42 GMT
While I do have a feeling that Ryder will get Dragon Age treatment for protagonist in this new saga, BioWare never really stated that. That's what they hinted. Even said on Twitter that Ryder might show up in a future game, but not as the PC. They are planning the DA route, so in 5 years we'd get a sequel most likely with a new hero. I mean, it makes sense. You can't exactly make a game series set in Heleus system with just Ryder on helm. There's around 100,000 people( including Quarian ark and whatever canonical number of casualties would be there), no real urban centres, while those that exist are exclusively Angaran, and there's still no hint of Mass Relays to start construction( if ever). There has to be a generational jump for Andromeda saga to continue, so that Milky Way population jumps to millions of adults with industrial centres and have military space ships constructions. Only way Ryder can stay around, is if he's put on ice for long time until he's needed.
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Post by gplayer on Jul 1, 2017 14:28:46 GMT
While I do have a feeling that Ryder will get Dragon Age treatment for protagonist in this new saga, BioWare never really stated that. I am actually fine with that. The next game could be 100 years later, but I hope they don't lose the exploration theme. It was poorly implemented this time around but I am hopeful they can get it right. What I am weary of is Ryder 'disappearing' like HoF and denying us closure.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:32:53 GMT
That's what they hinted. Even said on Twitter that Ryder might show up in a future game, but not as the PC. They are planning the DA route, so in 5 years we'd get a sequel most likely with a new hero. I mean, it makes sense. You can't exactly make a game series set in Heleus system with just Ryder on helm. There's around 100,000 people( including Quarian ark and whatever canonical number of casualties would be there), no real urban centres, while those that exist are exclusively Angaran, and there's still no hint of Mass Relays to start construction( if ever). There has to be a generational jump for Andromeda saga to continue, so that Milky Way population jumps to millions of adults with industrial centres and have military space ships constructions. Only way Ryder can stay around, is if he's put on ice for long time until he's needed. Mac even said maybe people would be ready to return to the MW by then. They are simply testing waters. When Ryder was first announced, Shepard fanboys tore them to shreds, but now people have come to love Ryder and want to play as them again, so if they can't in the next ME game, they want to at least say goodbye Citadel/Trespasser-style. MEA reminded me a lot of DA, even the new lore, so they are planning for this to be a sci-fi DA game, and recently Flynn said ME is the IP for hardcore sci-fi fans, and Anthem would be something different, so if you want hardcore sci-fi, Anthem is not what you're looking for it seems.
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Post by gplayer on Jul 1, 2017 14:33:16 GMT
There has to be a generational jump for Andromeda saga to continue, so that Milky Way population jumps to millions of adults with industrial centres and have military space ships constructions. Only way Ryder can stay around, is if he's put on ice for long time until he's needed. I myself am hoping that the Milky Way is in no way part of the story beyond what was discussed in MEA. Whether we like it or not the way that saga ended was contentious (even if any one individual is satisfied with it) - its toxic and Andromeda-only is the way forward.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 1, 2017 14:37:52 GMT
Which people? The people on here or BioWare's people? I'm just judging the reaction on here on the past couple of days between the hoax and the article. Look, they have to tell the fanbase whether or not there is going to be dlc on a official basis, they can't keep this silence forever. Where at the five month mark give or take a few days if were judging this on past history with BioWare dlc-if nothing gets announced soon. Sure, maybe i'm overreacting on the latter, but considering the actual reaction; I don't feel like i'm that far of--to be honest with you. That's how I feel anyway. The people at Bioware and/or EA. To be more specific their press and pr departments being there to advice the board on the lines of communications. A negative will never be communicated. Not without solid reason. And that reason is not internet people hyping themselves up over internet rumors, but something they themselves have created. Such as announcing an expansion that will never come. They didn't make any promises for MEA. Nothing, zilch, so they won't communicate a negative. Well, I wasn't even talking about BioWare/EA at that moment. I was referring to the people on here. At some point though, there's got to be an update on the official website stating something about the future of MEA and or Mass Effect in general. Like, I mean, dunno when there's going to eventually stop of the mp updates and or patches. For one, so that BioWare can turn the Mass Effect fan base's attention to Anthem/DA4 and quell the rumors speculation about dlc, if there is in fact no dlc. They can't be having this looming over the heads heading into next year's E3 and this year's VGA's if there is going to be more gameplay this year.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 14:37:57 GMT
There has to be a generational jump for Andromeda saga to continue, so that Milky Way population jumps to millions of adults with industrial centres and have military space ships constructions. Only way Ryder can stay around, is if he's put on ice for long time until he's needed. I myself am hoping that the Milky Way is in no way part of the story beyond what was discussed in MEA. Whether we like it or not the way that saga ended was contentious (even if any one individual is satisfied with it) - its toxic and Andromeda-only is the way forward. Milky Way part of Mass Effect is just doomed due to the endings. To return to MW, BioWare quite truly can only do a complete reboot of the original trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:40:15 GMT
What some fans are expecting isn't what dictates company policy or their lines of communication. They haven't spread the rumors. And so they won't respond. There will only be positive communication if there is something to be announced. Never a negative. That's really not how fans see things. This forum is proof of that. Sadly it will also affect other things, like Anthem. Many will not even give it a chance and we know how brutal fans can get, and it will always hold the taint of being known as the game that tossed ME fans to the curb. Nothing good is going to come of any of this in the end for BW/EA unless people get answers. Regardless, they still cannot communicate a decision that may not have been actually made by their Board of Directors as yet. In addition, they cannot communicate a decision made by their Board of Directors until their Board of Directors advises them that the decision should be released. They have nothing to gain by releasing information prior to them being ready to release it... just the same as they had nothing to gain by releasing a game prior to it being ready to be released. People should see the pattern by now... they put excess pressure demanding the release of stuff and then complain ad nauseum when it's not up to their standards and then go right back into pressuring the company to release something else before it's ready. People then say, well, they should say their working on it... Well, they have said they are working on something... something that excites them. They've told us point blank that they cannot (note - cannot, i.e. are not able) to say more at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:42:36 GMT
That's really not how fans see things. This forum is proof of that. Sadly it will also affect other things, like Anthem. Many will not even give it a chance and we know how brutal fans can get, and it will always hold the taint of being known as the game that tossed ME fans to the curb. Nothing good is going to come of any of this in the end for BW/EA unless people get answers. Regardless, they still cannot communicate a decision that may not have been actually made by their Board of Directors as yet. That's why we should wait a few months. If the novel ends up resolving everything, that's your "DLC" and then it's over. If by March next year they still keep people on hold, then there's something wrong.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 14:44:48 GMT
For one, so that BioWare can turn the Mass Effect fan base's attention to Anthem/DA4 and quell the rumors speculation about dlc, if there is in fact no dlc. They can't be having this looming over the heads heading into next's years E3 and this year's VGA's if there is going to be more gameplay this year. But both games are over a year in the future. With DA not even officially announced. Give it another three months and the bulk of players will have moved on anyway and hardly anyone will talk about MEA anymore. Do you really think that if, assuming there won't be any DLCs, anyone will still ask about them when the Anthem prerelease hype starts? Or DAs, whenever that may be?
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Post by kino on Jul 1, 2017 14:48:14 GMT
- Not commenting on ME being on hiatus.
- Not commenting on MEA's 3 year troubled development.
- Not commenting on the disappearing negative GlassDoor reviews.
- Can say that Anthem which isn't released yet will get 10 year support, but they can't say anything about DLC on 4 month old game with only 1 year support.
- Not specifying the amount of BW Montréal developers moved to Motive Studios to work on Star Wars, and how much are left to continue working on MEA.
There's also the not denouncing Manveer Heir's racist comments, and just leaving it at "he's not working on BW anymore".I can't see why BioWare would comment on any of that. No explanation they could give would satisfy everyone, plus some of those questions really aren't the customers business. Now if you were an EA investor some of those questions might be pertinent, but I still doubt it.
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