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Post by darkway1 on Jul 1, 2017 14:50:51 GMT
I think EA/Bioware's PR/communication behaviour has a lot to do with how their business currently works,they produce content based on meta data and sales,they don't want to commit to anything unless they know it's going to sell.
By releasing zero information,you negate the need to confirm or deny anything......"we are unable to comment at this time"......it's all bullshit in my opinion,Bioware has a huge fan base,thank less people who created forums in response to EA/Bioware closing theirs down,in the name of better communication via other platforms.......and yet here we are back to square one......"we are unable to comment at this time".
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Post by evhgear on Jul 1, 2017 14:52:19 GMT
While I do have a feeling that Ryder will get Dragon Age treatment for protagonist in this new saga, BioWare never really stated that. I am actually fine with that. The next game could be 100 years later, but I hope they don't lose the exploration theme. It was poorly implemented this time around but I am hopeful they can get it right. What I am weary of is Ryder 'disappearing' like HoF and denying us closure. I think they should even push the exploration further. In MEA, we kind of have seen the the whole Heleus cluster, but hey the Andromeda galaxy is pretty big, bigger than the Milky way. We have to explore more alien worlds, that feels alien. I loved the kind of Tatooine feel of Eladeen, but I want more 'wow' feeling with wierd worlds like Havarld. I kind of liked both Ryders, and I would like continue the story with her/him before making a 100 years gap with a new hero. I would like to see the small colony outposts becoming small cities the planets becoming way more appealing for life, Medidian as the central hub for humanity and Habitat-7 now being colonised. There's a fight coming with the Kett for shure, probably some more with the Roekaar, some new species to discover, there's a lot to do with Ryder. What I didn't like in Dragon Age is the way the protagonists dissapear in the next installement. For MEA, it would feel that some of the story is missing before moving away from the protagonist. So a change in protagonist ? Yes, BUT not before finishing the Ryder story and the installement of the AI in Heleus.
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Post by gplayer on Jul 1, 2017 15:07:53 GMT
I am actually fine with that. The next game could be 100 years later, but I hope they don't lose the exploration theme. It was poorly implemented this time around but I am hopeful they can get it right. What I am weary of is Ryder 'disappearing' like HoF and denying us closure. I think they should even push the exploration further. In MEA, we kind of have seen the the whole Heleus cluster, but hey the Andromeda galaxy is pretty big, bigger than the Milky way. We have to explore more alien worlds, that feels alien. I loved the kind of Tatooine feel of Eladeen, but I want more 'wow' feeling with wierd worlds like Havarld. I kind of liked both Ryders, and I would like continue the story with her/him before making a 100 years gap with a new hero. I would like to see the small colony outposts becoming small cities the planets becoming way more appealing for life, Medidian as the central hub for humanity and Habitat-7 now being colonised. There's a fight coming with the Kett for shure, probably some more with the Roekaar, some new species to discover, there's a lot to do with Ryder. What I didn't like in Dragon Age is the way the protagonists dissapear in the next installement. For MEA, it would feel that some of the story is missing before moving away from the protagonist. So a change in protagonist ? Yes, BUT not before finishing the Ryder story and the installement of the AI in Heleus. The key thing for me is that the main character (hopefully Ryder) is a true explorer and trail blazer, not arriving 14 months after people set up outposts or took over kadara or set up a colony on Elaadan. True exploration and true first contact, while based out of the cluster in the state you described would be great.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 1, 2017 15:16:00 GMT
- Not commenting on ME being on hiatus.
- Not commenting on MEA's 3 year troubled development.
- Not commenting on the disappearing negative GlassDoor reviews.
- Can say that Anthem which isn't released yet will get 10 year support, but they can't say anything about DLC on 4 month old game with only 1 year support.
- Not specifying the amount of BW Montréal developers moved to Motive Studios to work on Star Wars, and how much are left to continue working on MEA.
There's also the not denouncing Manveer Heir's racist comments, and just leaving it at "he's not working on BW anymore".I get that you don't like how much they do/do not tell us. I don't like it either. It's not going to change anything though. EA/Bioware are going to announce what they want to announce when they want to announce it, and no amount of complaining has ever changed that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:18:33 GMT
- Not commenting on ME being on hiatus.
- Not commenting on MEA's 3 year troubled development.
- Not commenting on the disappearing negative GlassDoor reviews.
- Can say that Anthem which isn't released yet will get 10 year support, but they can't say anything about DLC on 4 month old game with only 1 year support.
- Not specifying the amount of BW Montréal developers moved to Motive Studios to work on Star Wars, and how much are left to continue working on MEA.
There's also the not denouncing Manveer Heir's racist comments, and just leaving it at "he's not working on BW anymore".I get that you don't like how much they do/do not tell us. I don't like it either. It's not going to change anything though. EA/Bioware are going to announce what they want to announce when they want to announce it, and no amount of complaining has ever changed that. The producer said it himself:
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 1, 2017 15:39:25 GMT
Even if DLC speculation is fan-made, BW adds more fire to it with vague tweets without definitive answer "There is MEA DLC"/"There isn't MEA DLC". Thus me naming it "Schrödinger's DLC". I think EA/Bioware's PR/communication behaviour has a lot to do with how their business currently works,they produce content based on meta data and sales,they don't want to commit to anything unless they know it's going to sell. By releasing zero information,you negate the need to confirm or deny anything......"we are unable to comment at this time"......it's all bullshit in my opinion,Bioware has a huge fan base,thank less people who created forums in response to EA/Bioware closing theirs down,in the name of better communication via other platforms.......and yet here we are back to square one......"we are unable to comment at this time". So true. You either open forms of communications to have real talk with fans or you remove all of that(except bug reporting) and stop pretending you actually care. They can't have it both ways, if they want marketing talk they already can do that with their investors.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:45:36 GMT
I think EA/Bioware's PR/communication behaviour has a lot to do with how their business currently works,they produce content based on meta data and sales,they don't want to commit to anything unless they know it's going to sell. By releasing zero information,you negate the need to confirm or deny anything......"we are unable to comment at this time"......it's all bullshit in my opinion,Bioware has a huge fan base,thank less people who created forums in response to EA/Bioware closing theirs down,in the name of better communication via other platforms.......and yet here we are back to square one......"we are unable to comment at this time". ... because they are unable to comment at this time. The decision may not be made yet. I really don't understand what anyone here has to gain by hearing that DLC is coming or not. The game itself doesn't have an expiry date (i.e. if you bought it, you got it.). It's not going up in price (if you haven't bought it yet, it'll probably be even cheaper to wait to buy it later); and it's not like they absolutely have to play the DLC by a certain date or the game is going to disappear from their system or they can't play something else in the meantime. Why should Bioware have to continually feed pacifiers to it's over-excitable fans who insist of driving themselves into a tizzy and/or allowing non-news drive them into a tizzy. The article basically says, we are waiting on an official announcement from Bioware. So wait - you have nothing to lose by waiting... patiently... and your heart will thank you for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:46:33 GMT
I think EA/Bioware's PR/communication behaviour has a lot to do with how their business currently works,they produce content based on meta data and sales,they don't want to commit to anything unless they know it's going to sell. By releasing zero information,you negate the need to confirm or deny anything......"we are unable to comment at this time"......it's all bullshit in my opinion,Bioware has a huge fan base,thank less people who created forums in response to EA/Bioware closing theirs down,in the name of better communication via other platforms.......and yet here we are back to square one......"we are unable to comment at this time". ... because they are unable to comment at this time. The decision may not be made yet. I really don't understand what anyone here has to gain by hearing that DLC is coming or not. The game itself doesn't have an expiry date (i.e. if you bought it, you got it.). It's not going up in price (if you haven't bought it yet, it'll probably be even cheaper to wait to buy it later); and it's not like they absolutely have to play the DLC by a certain date or the game is going to disappear from their system or they can't play something else in the meantime. I think many just want to shut up the articles that have been tainting the ME name this year lol
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Post by bakgrind on Jul 1, 2017 15:54:44 GMT
Why should they tell us anything? And the Anthem thing is like the Destiny thing, that was likely a vague generality or the intention to turn it into another franchise. I highly doubt Anthem itself will get ten years of support. I have no doubt that there will be 10 years of support. What it translates to is as long as micro transaction is profitable they will periodically toss in game changing experiences,features and content. Albeit small and inconsequential, but content none the less. All you have to do is look to SWTOR as a good/bad example.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:56:07 GMT
Why should they tell us anything? And the Anthem thing is like the Destiny thing, that was likely a vague generality or the intention to turn it into another franchise. I highly doubt Anthem itself will get ten years of support. I have no doubt that there will be 10 years of support. What it translates to is as long as micro transaction is profitable they will periodically toss in game changing experiences,features and content. Albeit small and inconsequential, but content none the less. All you have to do is look to SWTOR as a good/bad example. I already see Anthem becoming the next SWTOR, and that's not really a good thing for EA.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 1, 2017 15:57:46 GMT
I have no doubt that there will be 10 years of support. What it translates to is as long as micro transaction is profitable they will periodically toss in game changing experiences,features and content. Albeit small and inconsequential, but content none the less. All you have to do is look to SWTOR as a good/bad example. I already see Anthem becoming the next SWTOR, and that's not really a good thing for EA. That's fine, though personally, I think it's premature to judge the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:59:18 GMT
I already see Anthem becoming the next SWTOR, and that's not really a good thing for EA. That's fine, though personally, I think it's premature to judge the game. Not the game, how it's handled. When I beta tested SWTOR I had high hopes, and I am sad what happened to it. The route they went was horrible and unfair to so many dedicated players who paid good money.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 16:03:26 GMT
Even if DLC speculation is fan-made, BW adds more fire to it with vague tweets without definitive answer "There is MEA DLC"/"There isn't MEA DLC". Thus me naming it "Schrödinger's DLC". What fuel? They add MP DLCs. None of them even hinted at SP DLCs. It's not vague what they're saying, it's nonexistent if one doesn't try to read things into their tweets.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 1, 2017 16:04:05 GMT
That's fine, though personally, I think it's premature to judge the game. Not the game, how it's handled. When I beta tested SWTOR I had high hopes, and I am sad what happened to it. The route they went was horrible and unfair to so many dedicated players who paid good money. It's also premature to judge how it will be handled in my opinion. Though of course you're entitled to your opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:05:44 GMT
Not the game, how it's handled. When I beta tested SWTOR I had high hopes, and I am sad what happened to it. The route they went was horrible and unfair to so many dedicated players who paid good money. It's also premature to judge how it will be handled in my opinion. Though of course you're entitled to your opinion. It's EA that's my issue. BW is the only hope I have that things will run smoothly for people when it comes out. Currently the only good thing about SWTOR is the new SH we're getting.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 1, 2017 16:20:03 GMT
That's fine, though personally, I think it's premature to judge the game. Not the game, how it's handled. When I beta tested SWTOR I had high hopes, and I am sad what happened to it. The route they went was horrible and unfair to so many dedicated players who paid good money. Eh, if SW:TOR didn't went F2P, game would have been a financial failure and servers shut down. Going F2P and focus economy on microtransactions was the only way to, not just save the game, but to expand the active playerbase.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:22:35 GMT
Not the game, how it's handled. When I beta tested SWTOR I had high hopes, and I am sad what happened to it. The route they went was horrible and unfair to so many dedicated players who paid good money. Eh, if SW:TOR didn't went F2P, game would have been a financial failure and servers shut down. Going F2P and focus economy on microtransactions was the only way to, not just save the game, but to expand the active playerbase. People still think it'll happen. Many want the servers shut down (I sure don't!). Not sure if it'll ever happen, but I wish I knew where they were going with all this. I want to sub again, but is it worth it? That's what I'm wondering. My Consular got pretty poor treatment in the expansions. Guess time will tell.
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... because they are unable to comment at this time. The decision may not be made yet. I really don't understand what anyone here has to gain by hearing that DLC is coming or not. The game itself doesn't have an expiry date (i.e. if you bought it, you got it.). It's not going up in price (if you haven't bought it yet, it'll probably be even cheaper to wait to buy it later); and it's not like they absolutely have to play the DLC by a certain date or the game is going to disappear from their system or they can't play something else in the meantime. I think many just want to shut up the articles that have been tainting the ME name this year lol They've shot their own credibility though. You and others here exposed the hoax and obtained a clear confirmation from Bioware that it was a hoax. The other media members have caught themselves in a vice of reporting non-news (i.e. all the article really says is that Bioware can still make an announcement either way.) He's alluding to sources suggesting something but not really showing himself any confidence in those sources. The other "news" sites are clearly just copying him. There is nothing to be gained now by either believing or disbelieving him... because all he is really saying is Bioware can still make an announcement either way. If you want to be optimistic (and I am), Bioware employees have clearly said they are working on something (which beats them saying we're not working on anything at all). People who don't believe them have nothing to gain by not believing them. People who do have "something" at least to look forward to as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:27:22 GMT
I think many just want to shut up the articles that have been tainting the ME name this year lol They've shot their own credibility though. You and others here exposed the hoax and obtained a clear confirmation from Bioware that it was a hoax. The other media members have caught themselves in a vice of reporting non-news (i.e. all the article really says is that Bioware can still make an announcement either way.) He's alluding to sources suggesting something but not really showing himself any confidence in those sources. The other "news" sites are clearly just copying him. There is nothing to be gained now by either believing or disbelieving him... because all he is really saying is Bioware can still make an announcement either way. If you want to be optimistic (and I am), Bioware employees have clearly said they are working on something (which beats them saying we're not working on anything at all). People who don't believe them have nothing to gain by not believing them. People who do have "something" at least to look forward to as well. Did anyone find proof in that one article where they said the devs told fans they would tie up loose ends in a satisfying way? I never found the source for this claim. It was some Twitch stream with the writers apparently. 1 day after that article was the SN hoax, then Kotaku a day later.
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Post by abaris on Jul 1, 2017 16:32:05 GMT
People still think it'll happen. Many want the servers shut down (I sure don't!). Not sure if it'll ever happen, but I wish I knew where they were going with all this. I want to sub again, but is it worth it? That's what I'm wondering. My Consular got pretty poor treatment in the expansions. Guess time will tell. As long as there is a significant player base going online and as long as there's a significant number of players buying their packages, they won't shut anything down. We're not privy to their microtransactions revenue in relation to their expectations. But that's the only deciding factor on keeping the servers operational.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:33:59 GMT
People still think it'll happen. Many want the servers shut down (I sure don't!). Not sure if it'll ever happen, but I wish I knew where they were going with all this. I want to sub again, but is it worth it? That's what I'm wondering. My Consular got pretty poor treatment in the expansions. Guess time will tell. As long as there is a significant player base going online and as long as there's a significant number of players buying their packages, they won't shut anything down. We're not privy to their microtransactions revenue in relation to their expectations. But that's the only deciding factor on keeping the servers operational. I might sub this Fall then. Just don't want to sub and then it just shuts down. It's the only online game I ever enjoyed because I could focus on SP, though sometimes I'd help another player, or they would help me, which was very sweet.
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Post by rras1994 on Jul 1, 2017 16:41:03 GMT
As long as there is a significant player base going online and as long as there's a significant number of players buying their packages, they won't shut anything down. We're not privy to their microtransactions revenue in relation to their expectations. But that's the only deciding factor on keeping the servers operational. I might sub this Fall then. Just don't want to sub and then it just shuts down. It's the only online game I ever enjoyed because I could focus on SP, though sometimes I'd help another player, or they would help me, which was very sweet. I wouldn't worry about it going anywhere, Charles Boyd (Creative Director for SWTOR) said on the forums that KOTFE and KOTET was their most successful expansions by a significant margin. Of course, there's the normal doom and gloom brigade on the forums and reddit that are all like "that can't be true, it doesn't align with our views- they must therefore be lying" but given the uptake in communication from the dev team I really wouldn't worry.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 1, 2017 16:43:13 GMT
I am actually fine with that. The next game could be 100 years later, but I hope they don't lose the exploration theme. It was poorly implemented this time around but I am hopeful they can get it right. What I am weary of is Ryder 'disappearing' like HoF and denying us closure. I think they should even push the exploration further. In MEA, we kind of have seen the the whole Heleus cluster, but hey the Andromeda galaxy is pretty big, bigger than the Milky way. We have to explore more alien worlds, that feels alien. I loved the kind of Tatooine feel of Eladeen, but I want more 'wow' feeling with wierd worlds like Havarld. I kind of liked both Ryders, and I would like continue the story with her/him before making a 100 years gap with a new hero. I would like to see the small colony outposts becoming small cities the planets becoming way more appealing for life, Medidian as the central hub for humanity and Habitat-7 now being colonised. There's a fight coming with the Kett for shure, probably some more with the Roekaar, some new species to discover, there's a lot to do with Ryder. What I didn't like in Dragon Age is the way the protagonists dissapear in the next installement. For MEA, it would feel that some of the story is missing before moving away from the protagonist. So a change in protagonist ? Yes, BUT not before finishing the Ryder story and the installement of the AI in Heleus. Agreed. I hope they don't bow to the haters and just abandon Andromeda. (Unlikely but it happened with a game called Alpha Protocol. Not EA or Bioware but that game had a huge potential as a series.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 16:43:37 GMT
They've shot their own credibility though. You and others here exposed the hoax and obtained a clear confirmation from Bioware that it was a hoax. The other media members have caught themselves in a vice of reporting non-news (i.e. all the article really says is that Bioware can still make an announcement either way.) He's alluding to sources suggesting something but not really showing himself any confidence in those sources. The other "news" sites are clearly just copying him. There is nothing to be gained now by either believing or disbelieving him... because all he is really saying is Bioware can still make an announcement either way. If you want to be optimistic (and I am), Bioware employees have clearly said they are working on something (which beats them saying we're not working on anything at all). People who don't believe them have nothing to gain by not believing them. People who do have "something" at least to look forward to as well. Did anyone find proof in that one article where they said the devs told fans they would tie up loose ends in a satisfying way? I never found the source for this claim. It was some Twitch stream with the writers apparently. 1 day after that article was the SN hoax, then Kotaku a day later. I'm not sure why you're querying me on that. I was referring only to the tweet from the one employee saying she was working on something exciting.
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