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Post by warrior on Jul 3, 2017 16:15:05 GMT
Ho-kay, people. I really don't think Jason or this guy would actually relay information in an article from a custodian. This is clearly an industry/company insider(s) in some way (whoever they know may be the same person, or not). Possibly the source(s) has bad information, misunderstands the situation, or is lying for some reason, that happens occasionally, but I think it is reasonable to assume that these sources are legitimate ones, especially now that there are two articles claiming it. Except Jason has had an agenda from day 1 and this article basically uses the same information. it's not just Jason's information, though: "A source close to BioWare has told me similar." This is a departure from the other articles people were posting here that did basically rehash the Kotaku article. Even if you're right that Jason has some agenda, I don't see why the EG writer would invent a source. One reason to hold out a little hope is the vagueness of it. "Close to BW" (from both writers) suggests to me that these are likely not people who work at the company, only have some degree of connection to people who do. Gaming journalists at major sites of course have some connections within the industry--but we don't know the strength of this connection, and it may be weak in this case. It's possible that this is a "know someone who knows someone who knows someone" situation and a game of telephone has resulted in incorrect info. Or, as I said before, that someone is lying or has bad or old info. But it's not "a custodian."
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 16:16:49 GMT
... and the bottom line is still the same, even if one believes the articles... Schrier said it himself... Bioware/EA could still decide to produce DLC. The rest is REALLY irrelevant. Non-news. Seriously, it's not the end of the world if this DLC will not happen. They don't wanna continue ? Fine. They wanna continue ? Still fine. But look on this forum: one topic after another DLC DLC DLC. Maybe instead of writing all that stuff in here, send it to EA. Every single post. It's up to them, another 10 topics in here with 27 pages each will not change anything. I have to admit that I'm in the same boat. I'm long past the point of caring what the gaming press think, and after that farce on twitter I'm not convinced of their legitimacy. At this stage all I want to see is either a cancellation notice or a release date.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:16:59 GMT
You responded to me and asked me to stop writing here. Schrier said it himself - Bioware can still decide to produce DLC (even if he assets that they are not currently planning to do so). So, I'm telling Bioware I want DLC and I'll buy it if they make it. People here have started a movement to tell Bioware the same thing. Seems like news of the movement happening here might be worth Kotaku and others reporting on. It is after all, our response to their article. I think all those posts should go to EA, using every single available channel. I still support Quarian DLC, but discussing it non-stop in 5 new topics on weekly basis will not change anything. Fernando Melo and some other guys from BW maybe are reading this, but i don't think anyone from EA do. Let them know. Bioware care. Contrary to what some may think. They could have left the animations the way they were they could have left Jaal only be romanceable by femryder. But they didn't they listened. I know Andromeda wasn't perfect but I think the game and series deserve a second chance. Still if this is the end for ME for now other games exist. I had to remind myself of that.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 3, 2017 16:17:59 GMT
Well dang, I generally enjoy Tom Phillips's articles and follow him on twitter too. To my knowledge has no particular axe to grind and is fair in his reporting. Looks like he did a fair bit of reasearch on Sinclair Network too.
Which is why it's strange that the article has so many details on the SN hoax, complete with a direct quote from someone intimately familiar with them, while the DLC mention from the anonymous source got... 3 words in passing.
One would think this deserved to be the main point of the article with far more detail behind it: if DLC was never planned, why are there still hints in the single player campaign and in APEX mission briefings? What influenced EA's decision not to make DLC: financial earnings, critical reception, ... ? Was this decision taken after the game shipped, and if so are there assets that were in pre-production while the game still wasn't out? Who worked on them? Who is working on patch content now if Bioware Montreal was downsized? Why can't they work on DLC if they can bring in writers, animators and voice actors for a free patch? Seems like these are questions that should be answered along with declaring that no DLC is coming. If the source is so knowledgeable about DLC not being planned, surely they would have more knowledge about other issues and would be willing to provide answers to follow up questions.
Again, I do think Tom is just reporting the facts as presented to him. Which is why the lack of precision is so baffling. Because I'm ok with accepting that no DLC is coming - but I do expect journalists to provide a little more detail as to the how and why if they're gonna bother writing articles about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:20:58 GMT
Well dang, I generally enjoy Tom Phillips's articles and follow him on twitter too. To my knowledge has no particular axe to grind and is fair in his reporting. Looks like he did a fair bit of reasearch on Sinclair Network too. Which is why it's strange that the article has so many details on the SN hoax, complete with a direct quote from someone intimately familiar with them, while the DLC mention from the anonymous source got... 3 words in passing. One would think this deserved to be the main point of the article with far more detail behind it: if DLC was never planned, why are there still hints in the single player campaign and in APEX mission briefings? What influenced EA's decision not to make DLC: financial earnings, critical reception, ... ? Was this decision taken after the game shipped, and if so are there assets that were in pre-production while the game still wasn't out? Who worked on them? Who is working on patch content now if Bioware Montreal was downsized? Why can't they work on DLC if they can bring in writers, animators and voice actors for a free patch? Seems like these are questions that should be answered along with declaring that no DLC is coming. If the source is so knowledgeable about DLC not being planned, surely they would have more knowledge about other issues and would be willing to provide answers to follow up questions. Again, I do think Tom is just reporting the facts as presented to him. Which is why the lack of precision is so baffling. Because I'm ok with accepting that no DLC is coming - but I do expect journalists to provide a little more detail as to the how and why if they're gonna bother writing articles about it. Schrodingers dlc continues.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:23:30 GMT
Pity its not a bootstrap paradox dlc. Then it would exist in spite of itself.
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Post by warrior on Jul 3, 2017 16:23:50 GMT
Ho-kay, people. I really don't think Jason or this guy would actually relay information in an article from a custodian. This is clearly an industry/company insider(s) in some way (whoever they know may be the same person, or not). Possibly the source(s) has bad information, misunderstands the situation, or is lying for some reason, that happens occasionally, but I think it is reasonable to assume that these sources are legitimate ones, especially now that there are two articles claiming it. I am not going to assume anything and that is the problem for assume really means "make an ass out of u and me". If people want to believe there is DLC coming based on the information they have it is completely their right and if people want to believe those articles and think they are correct that is there right. The thing is there is no proof either way, so nobody is right and nobody is wrong at this time. Of course it's your right to believe there is DLC coming, and none of us really knows anything for sure. Possibly there is DLC coming. I'm just giving my opinion.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 3, 2017 16:24:51 GMT
I think all those posts should go to EA, using every single available channel. I still support Quarian DLC, but discussing it non-stop in 5 new topics on weekly basis will not change anything. Fernando Melo and some other guys from BW maybe are reading this, but i don't think anyone from EA do. Let them know. Bioware care. Contrary to what some may think. They could have left the animations the way they were they could have left Jaal only be romanceable by femryder. But they didn't they listened. I know Andromeda wasn't perfect but I think the game and series deserve a second chance. Still if this is the end for ME for now other games exist. I had to remind myself of that. I believe, that if BW will get a chance to do MEA 2, they will learn from their mistakes and this game will be MUCH MORE DIFFERENT than MEA. This is what i really believe. Reality is, that a chance to get MEA 2 EVER is almost next to none. Too much noise over MEA, too many mistakes, they are also too busy with Anthem. Mass Effect will comeback on day, that's almost certain, cause this brand is still strong; but i think it will be new opening, nothing to do with Ryder's and Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:25:17 GMT
I actually don't give a fuck about DLC anymore. I'm taking this stuff personally because of how ridiculous it's all become over a damn game, and people's obsession with ruining it for others like me who love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:26:39 GMT
You responded to me and asked me to stop writing here. Schrier said it himself - Bioware can still decide to produce DLC (even if he assets that they are not currently planning to do so). So, I'm telling Bioware I want DLC and I'll buy it if they make it. People here have started a movement to tell Bioware the same thing. Seems like news of the movement happening here might be worth Kotaku and others reporting on. It is after all, our response to their article. I think all those posts should go to EA, using every single available channel. I still support Quarian DLC, but discussing it non-stop in 5 new topics on weekly basis will not change anything. Fernando Melo and some other guys from BW maybe are reading this, but i don't think anyone from EA do. Let them know. Agreed... ask nicely for it through every channel available to you... including posting here... What's the harm in that? Lot's of activity here only makes this forum appear higher up in the random search engines. Why did you ask me to stop posting here?
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Post by bshep on Jul 3, 2017 16:32:23 GMT
Well dang, I generally enjoy Tom Phillips's articles and follow him on twitter too. To my knowledge has no particular axe to grind and is fair in his reporting. Looks like he did a fair bit of reasearch on Sinclair Network too. Which is why it's strange that the article has so many details on the SN hoax, complete with a direct quote from someone intimately familiar with them, while the DLC mention from the anonymous source got... 3 words in passing. One would think this deserved to be the main point of the article with far more detail behind it: i f DLC was never planned, why are there still hints in the single player campaign and in APEX mission briefings? What influenced EA's decision not to make DLC: financial earnings, critical reception, ... ? Was this decision taken after the game shipped, and if so are there assets that were in pre-production while the game still wasn't out? Who worked on them? Who is working on patch content now if Bioware Montreal was downsized? Why can't they work on DLC if they can bring in writers, animators and voice actors for a free patch? Seems like these are questions that should be answered along with declaring that no DLC is coming. If the source is so knowledgeable about DLC not being planned, surely they would have more knowledge about other issues and would be willing to provide answers to follow up questions. Again, I do think Tom is just reporting the facts as presented to him. Which is why the lack of precision is so baffling. Because I'm ok with accepting that no DLC is coming - but I do expect journalists to provide a little more detail as to the how and why if they're gonna bother writing articles about it. I will be really disapointed if in a few months from now this turn outs to be true. After all a simple edit on those APEX missions would be enough to cut any kind of hint. At least there is a new AC, Metro and Shadow of Mordor coming in the next months too.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 3, 2017 16:32:50 GMT
I think all those posts should go to EA, using every single available channel. I still support Quarian DLC, but discussing it non-stop in 5 new topics on weekly basis will not change anything. Fernando Melo and some other guys from BW maybe are reading this, but i don't think anyone from EA do. Let them know. Agreed... ask nicely for it through every channel available to you... including posting here... What's the harm in that? Lot's of activity here only makes this forum appear higher up in the random search engines. Why did you ask me to stop posting here? Sorry if it sounds personal. I didn't mean that. I just see that everything what could be said about DLC happen/not happen has been already said, more than once. No one is right or wrong, cause we don't really know anything. Even if tomorrow another 2 "sources" will confirm YES or NO, it will also not change anything. We can only let EA know, and have a hope one day someone will respond to it. Not Jason and not some unknown source, but BW or EA.
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Post by warrior on Jul 3, 2017 16:33:22 GMT
Well dang, I generally enjoy Tom Phillips's articles and follow him on twitter too. To my knowledge has no particular axe to grind and is fair in his reporting. Looks like he did a fair bit of reasearch on Sinclair Network too. Which is why it's strange that the article has so many details on the SN hoax, complete with a direct quote from someone intimately familiar with them, while the DLC mention from the anonymous source got... 3 words in passing. One would think this deserved to be the main point of the article with far more detail behind it: if DLC was never planned, why are there still hints in the single player campaign and in APEX mission briefings? What influenced EA's decision not to make DLC: financial earnings, critical reception, ... ? Was this decision taken after the game shipped, and if so are there assets that were in pre-production while the game still wasn't out? Who worked on them? Who is working on patch content now if Bioware Montreal was downsized? Why can't they work on DLC if they can bring in writers, animators and voice actors for a free patch? Seems like these are questions that should be answered along with declaring that no DLC is coming. If the source is so knowledgeable about DLC not being planned, surely they would have more knowledge about other issues and would be willing to provide answers to follow up questions. Again, I do think Tom is just reporting the facts as presented to him. Which is why the lack of precision is so baffling. Because I'm ok with accepting that no DLC is coming - but I do expect journalists to provide a little more detail as to the how and why if they're gonna bother writing articles about it. Yeah, I don't get why no one asked at least a few follow-up questions to these sources so they could provide a little more detail. partly why I have some hope that the info isn't good info.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:34:40 GMT
I said yesterday that there is the possibility DLC was never planned (not due to the supposed failure of the gamer either, just a new way of wrapping up stories since Montreal had a lower budget) and they wanted people to buy the novels to wrap things up, but they did not expect this outrage.
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Post by Serza on Jul 3, 2017 16:36:47 GMT
I actually don't give a fuck about DLC anymore. I'm taking this stuff personally because of how ridiculous it's all become over a damn game, and people's obsession with ruining it for others like me who love it. Agreement: Yes, Master. All these organics trying to spread negativity are making my blasters itch.
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Post by mummy22kids on Jul 3, 2017 16:40:13 GMT
Well I'm a source close to Bioware (meaning I live close to the EA campus in Burnaby where they test some of Boware's games) and I say there will be DLC. And in the DLC we'll trade out Pyjack for a cat. Only to find out Drack is allergic and Jaal is Jealous.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 3, 2017 16:40:22 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd.
It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job.
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By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:42:18 GMT
I have a source that says DLC is coming. They've been working on it for a bit.
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By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". After SN anyone thinking we have no right to be upset at fake news is likely someone who did not like MEA and trashed it. *looks at the users against it* What do you know? I was right!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:45:11 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Their agenda isn't hidden at all. It's clickbait, plain and simple. Appeal to both Mass Effect fans who would be concerned by "rumours" and the pathetic trolls who want Mass Effect to die. Schreier's shown his true colours, pretending to have sympathy for the developers while calling it a "failure", having his head wedged up his backside in regards to the game selling well and having millions of fans. That sums up about how trustworthy anything he claims about ME:A is, no matter how many other lazy wannabe-journalists regurgitate his hearsay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:46:07 GMT
My main problem with andromeda is that a lot of the characters were great and everything. But at the end of the day most of the stuff that happened in the game didn't matter at all to the main original trilogy. ME 1 2 and 3 with the extended cut. Ended. Completely finished off everything I wanted the series to do. Most other video game series usually shit themselves before they can conclude properly. But mass effect didn't it ended. Really really well (in my opinion don't kill me) Andromeda could have done more to make itself a proper self contained side story. But what we got was, a little bit of inquisition a little bit of ME1 and shitty sudoku puzzles with bugs in the background. It is the third best mass effect to me. But it might join the ranks of reboots everyone has forgotten about. Like prince of persia 2008 dmc devil may cry or mirrors edge catalyst.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 3, 2017 16:46:24 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true.
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