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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 16:47:23 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". At this very moment anyone can claim having a sources,
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 16:47:36 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Considering how many people fell for the SN hoax, and reveled in it no less, I do believe I've earned my healthy dose of skepticism regarding "reporting" on BioWare DLC.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:49:02 GMT
Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true. Actually people are not in denial DLC could not happen, they just don't believe/trust it when it comes from shit sources and shittier articles. Everyone is more than willing to accept it if legit people come clean about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:49:54 GMT
Agreed... ask nicely for it through every channel available to you... including posting here... What's the harm in that? Lot's of activity here only makes this forum appear higher up in the random search engines. Why did you ask me to stop posting here? Sorry if it sounds personal. I didn't mean that. I just see that everything what could be said about DLC happen/not happen has been already said, more than once. No one is right or wrong, cause we don't really know anything. Even if tomorrow another 2 "sources" will confirm YES or NO, it will also not change anything. We can only let EA know, and have a hope one day someone will respond to it. Not Jason and not some unknown source, but BW or EA. It's not about just passively sitting by and "having hope" that they respond to these articles... It's about letting them know that there is support for an ME:A DLC out here. If our numbers our sufficient that EA becomes convinced they can make money on a DLC, they will facilitate the making of it. One can either wallow in the "pity-party" atmosphere being generated by these articles... or move to convince the people who really count (EA execs) that their best move would be to generate a DLC for this game. If they're already planning one, then all we're doing to confirming that there is support for it. If they are not already planning one, then we are potentially changing their minds. It doesn't matter at all whether or not these articles are true or not. It doesn't matter whether or not you're optimistic or pessimistic. The best shot here of getting a DLC is to convince EA they can make money if they do it. So, I would encourage everyone who wants a DLC to make that desire known nicely through as many channels as you can... regardless of whether or not you're optimistic about it or pessimistic about it. We really have nothing to lose by doing that.
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Post by Serza on Jul 3, 2017 16:50:08 GMT
Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". At this very moment anyone can claim having a sources, Statement: My master claims they also know a source.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 3, 2017 16:50:49 GMT
By this time any reasonable people should at least be open to the possibility that there is indeed no DLC in development. Though most people here doesn't seem to be behaving reasonably. To believe that all these sites, Kotaku, Eurogamer or whatever are "personally" attacking Andromeda and have some hidden agenda aimed at hurting Biware is quite absurd. It's funny how much of what I'm seeing here is the very same I see everyday with football and the journalism that surrounds it. If a reporter writes a new that says something bad about your team, it's because he wants it to fail. His sources are untrue and he is bad at his job. Considering how many people fell for the SN hoax, and reveled in it no less, I do believe I've earned my healthy dose of skepticism regarding "reporting" on BioWare DLC. There is bad journalism out there. And there is people who just want to troll others. But you can't use them as arguments against other people.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jul 3, 2017 16:52:03 GMT
Hey maybe Eurogamer's source for the ME:A dlc is Jason Scheisse.
In all seriousness though, I've said all I want to on this topic, my opinion has been stated before.
All I have to say.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 16:52:56 GMT
Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true. I suspect most people are considering the possibility it's all true. That's why people are coming across a bit downcast. The thing about Kotaku is less to do with not wanting it to be true and more a reaction to the guy's lack of professionalism in the commentary since - originally, IIRC, his article was well received and is still considered to be broadly accurate even by the naysayers. The anger is largely down to what has happened since then. Add the whole sinclair thing and a rational person would be forgiven for thinking that all of this is basically an industrialised version of chinese whispers.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 3, 2017 16:54:34 GMT
There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true. I suspect most people are considering the possibility it's all true. That's why people are coming across a bit downcast. The thing about Kotaku is less to do with not wanting it to be true and more a reaction to the guy's lack of professionalism in the commentary since - originally, IIRC, his article was well received and is still considered to be broadly accurate even by the naysayers. The anger is largely down to what has happened since then. The article most people seemed to be ok with is the one talking about Andromeda's troubled development. And when that came he had already been attacked plenty here with the "Mass Effect on ice" article.
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Post by xassantex on Jul 3, 2017 16:55:55 GMT
well,
me wants DLC .
those DLC discussions remind me of Mr Robot's famous Whiterose scene with Angela:
"WR: I want your belief. Angela: Belief in what? [watch beeps] WR: Do you ever think that if you imagined or believed in something, it could come true Simply by will? Angela: Yes. Actually, I did believe that. But I'm slowly having to admit that's just not the real world, even if I want it to be. [watch beeps] WR: Well, I guess it all depends on what your definition of real is."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:57:12 GMT
There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true. I suspect most people are considering the possibility it's all true. That's why people are coming across a bit downcast. The thing about Kotaku is less to do with not wanting it to be true and more a reaction to the guy's lack of professionalism in the commentary since - originally, IIRC, his article was well received and is still considered to be broadly accurate even by the naysayers. The anger is largely down to what has happened since then. Add the whole sinclair thing and a rational person would be forgiven for thinking that all of this is basically an industrialised version of chinese whispers. Don't forget Jason's tweet to us here. MEA was not given a second chance, DLC is not happening. Where did the "plans change" go that he said in his article?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 16:57:52 GMT
At least dragon age 4 is coming
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 17:00:19 GMT
Considering how many people fell for the SN hoax, and reveled in it no less, I do believe I've earned my healthy dose of skepticism regarding "reporting" on BioWare DLC. There is bad journalism out there. And there is people who just want to troll others. But you can't use them as arguments against other people. Sure I can. If all I'm seeing is the same level of reporting about a topic no one has any means of proving or disproving, well, my level of skepticism can remain exactly that high. Want to know who I'll believe? EA or BioWare. When they announce, either yay or nay, news regarding future DLC I'll accept that. Up until then it's nothing but "anonymous sources" all the way down and anyone who buys in to that, well, are they really any different from those who don't find it plausible?
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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 17:01:30 GMT
Or maybe they're just expressing skepticism considering this is games "journalism". There is skepticism and there is what many people are doing here, which I'd say is closer to denial. One thing is to look at Jason's article and say "well, I'm not sure I buy this" and the other is see it and say "LOL Kotaku, Jason just hates Mass Effect, he is just guessing. If he was right he would name sources!". I forget: "Clickbait article!" And notice that I didn't said everybody should believe this now. Only that even a skeptical person should start to consider the possibility of it being true. Look its a possibility that there will be no dlc, I am not denying that, What I know for sure was that jason was playing the victim card and bullying people that merely had skepticism about his articles, even if there is just no way that we can fact check what he says, any articles that have completely anonymous sources are allegation so there is no way we can be sure if its true. So I prefer to take it with a grain of salt even if its from euro gamer, because sources can be sinclair networks... and huge sites with tons of ressources jumped ship and thought this story was true... members of reddit AND bsn did their job for them, and did it better while they were not being paid or employed. like kino said, after that and the major incompetence of huge internet sites believing bullshit without checking their sources, I think we have the right to remain skeptics.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:02:17 GMT
There is bad journalism out there. And there is people who just want to troll others. But you can't use them as arguments against other people. Sure I can. If all I'm seeing is the same level of reporting about a topic no one has any means of proving or disproving, well, my level of skepticism can remain exactly that high. Want to know who I'll believe? EA or BioWare. When they announce, either yay or nay, news regarding future DLC I'll accept that. Up until then it's nothing but "anonymous sources" all the way down and anyone who buys in to that, well, are they really any different from those who don't find it plausible? Jason made 3 grave mistakes or we would care less about him. 1. He posted an article hours after the SN hoax 2. His article is exactly what SN said with words altered slightly 3. He made it personal here
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 3, 2017 17:04:46 GMT
I said yesterday that there is the possibility DLC was never planned (not due to the supposed failure of the gamer either, just a new way of wrapping up stories since Montreal had a lower budget) and they wanted people to buy the novels to wrap things up, but they did not expect this outrage. It's possible. I will be not suprised, if all those open plots from MEA will have their closure in those books.
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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 17:05:01 GMT
At this very moment anyone can claim having a sources, Statement: My master claims they also know a source. My sources told me that EA has recently started their operation of resurecting pandemic, calling back employees and putting them in the same building again to just remake the studio and the closure never happened. Similar things are happening for origin, bullfrog, maxis and west wood...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
Statement: My master claims they also know a source. My sources told me that EA has recently started their operation of resurecting pandemic, calling back employees and putting them in the same building again to just remake the studio and the closure never happened. I really enjoyed the saboteur and destroy all humans Damn it EA
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 17:07:34 GMT
Sure I can. If all I'm seeing is the same level of reporting about a topic no one has any means of proving or disproving, well, my level of skepticism can remain exactly that high. Want to know who I'll believe? EA or BioWare. When they announce, either yay or nay, news regarding future DLC I'll accept that. Up until then it's nothing but "anonymous sources" all the way down and anyone who buys in to that, well, are they really any different from those who don't find it plausible? Jason made 3 grave mistakes or we would care less about him. 1. He posted an article hours after the SN hoax 2. His article is exactly what SN said with words altered slightly 3. He made it personal here For me it's mostly 3. About 95% of number 3, but the rest of those points are most definitely worth noting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:07:40 GMT
I said yesterday that there is the possibility DLC was never planned (not due to the supposed failure of the gamer either, just a new way of wrapping up stories since Montreal had a lower budget) and they wanted people to buy the novels to wrap things up, but they did not expect this outrage. It's possible. I will be not suprised, if all those open plots from MEA will have their closure in those books. The only thing they failed to understand if they did choose novels, was that choices matter to players, and a book forcing choices that contradict players would fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:07:43 GMT
Secret sources. How about secret sauces that would be a better topic.
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Post by Serza on Jul 3, 2017 17:08:58 GMT
I guess it would. Also, back to my old, boring self, meatbags.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:09:50 GMT
I guess it would. Also, back to my old, boring self, meatbags. Next time I'll dress up as Shale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 17:12:20 GMT
Jason made 3 grave mistakes or we would care less about him. 1. He posted an article hours after the SN hoax 2. His article is exactly what SN said with words altered slightly 3. He made it personal here For me it's mostly 3. About 95% of number 3, but the rest of those points are most definitely worth noting. Same. I am happy with how MEA ended and no DLC would not make me sad at all really. I'm a fanfic writer and write my own continuations all the time. This is personal. I was one of the first he snapped a pic of, and I am not amused. After being stalked years ago in real life because of online drama and snapping pics of my info, no one gets a second chance once they pull that shit with me.
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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 17:13:06 GMT
It's possible. I will be not suprised, if all those open plots from MEA will have their closure in those books. The only thing they failed to understand if they did choose novels, was that choices matter to players, and a book forcing choices that contradict players would fail. Yep a book like that would already start with even less customer ready to buy it because its directly made for them, ME novels could be read by non gamers but for the most part they are made for fans. The novels is the by products of the game and not the opposite. So if fans are told that MEA would finish in a novel, ignoring their choices and personal decision which is one of the aspects most loved of bioware games, its gonna make sure they lose even more potential customer because dissapointment and anger are going to follow.
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