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Post by Evil on Nov 17, 2016 22:45:59 GMT
From what I see plain vanilla humans kits might work better when I don't have anything of note on the equipment side than the different species. My human sent seem to fare far better than turian with fully specked armor explosions. I overall find squeezing out performance harder than ensuring survivability. I have no experience with silver tier of difficulty and I am interested in hearing perspectives on it. The vanilla humans have very good power sets, and are both a good kits to learn the game with and good options for taking into higher difficultly levels when you're lacking the more OP kits, but don't let that dissuade you from trying out the other kits. If that turian you're talking about is a turian sentinel then that's one of the best kits in the game once you get a decent gun and learn what powers to use in what situation. We often joke about spamming tech armour explosions with the TSent but it's just something we do for shits and giggles as opposed to using it in serious gameplay, so if that's the armour explosions you're talking about I'd suggest focusing on casting overload and warp instead, those are 2 of the best powers in the game. As long as you take detonate, expose, and pierce on warp and chose weapon damage over power damage in his passives if you take his passives its very hard to spec a TSent wrong, so play around and find what works for you. For guns, try the mattock or the incisor. Both can be obtained fairly easily and work a lot better on the TSent than on other kits, just add AP and extended barrel mods and go shoot things in the face. Also, for your amusement: The reason we joke about TSent tech armour explosion spam.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 18, 2016 0:33:30 GMT
From what I see plain vanilla humans kits might work better when I don't have anything of note on the equipment side than the different species. My human sent seem to fare far better than turian with fully specked armor explosions. I overall find squeezing out performance harder than ensuring survivability. I have no experience with silver tier of difficulty and I am interested in hearing perspectives on it. Silver mostly just has enemies that have more health. Or you'll get more shielded mooks instead of regular troopers class enemies. Yes, the bosses do spawn in earlier rounds than bronze and wave budgets are higher. But if you have any level 20 character, even with no gear you can do very well. Though you might need to use an ops pack or two. But generally, it's very easy to get 10 WS still, even in a pug. Sometimes I find people using level 4 gear on Silver. OVERKILL. Plus a thank you for carrying me. When I'm not in the mood for Gold I use krogan smashing to get the bloodlust rage going.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 1:27:32 GMT
I actually did not use exploding armor on T-sent, I just kept it on, while I max spec it for human, and exploded it all over the place. While I was able to eke the sort of okay performance on a human that I could on all other kits, ie around 25-30k, (with the notable exceptions of two over performers, h!vanguard and Drell Adept on which I saw over 40k), I had the same low performance on turian sentinel as I saw on the infiltrator and the soldier (<20 k). I did spec turian in power damage, as I never really spec anything in weapon damage. I will give it a shot since I am relevelling a sentinel (mainly because I was curious about Vorcha's ability to solo, it's a fun character). I am also rarely using full equipment on my characters, because I have so little, and I keep saving it for trying the silver games, which is probably crazy. Because if I did play silver, I'd get more level 2 equipment.... it's a bit of a chicken and the egg thing.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 18, 2016 2:51:44 GMT
I actually did not use exploding armor on T-sent, I just kept it on, while I max spec it for human, and exploded it all over the place. While I was able to eke the sort of okay performance on a human that I could on all other kits, ie around 25-30k, (with the notable exceptions of two over performers, h!vanguard and Drell Adept on which I saw over 40k), I had the same low performance on turian sentinel as I saw on the infiltrator and the soldier (<20 k). I did spec turian in power damage, as I never really spec anything in weapon damage. I will give it a shot since I am relevelling a sentinel (mainly because I was curious about Vorcha's ability to solo, it's a fun character). I am also rarely using full equipment on my characters, because I have so little, and I keep saving it for trying the silver games, which is probably crazy. Because if I did play silver, I'd get more level 2 equipment.... it's a bit of a chicken and the egg thing. I have a few ideas on how to help, if you'd be interested. Plus I don't need to be host for this at all! I am helping a fellow forum member transition from bronze to Silver, and then from Silver to Gold. I would say she also doesn't have much of an arsenal when it comes to characters, weapons, mods or gear. But we're going to go methodically through most basic classes, and I've verbally covered biotic explosions, tech bursts, ammo powers. And we had in-game practice as Krogans first because melee is awesome, plus it forced a close-proximity to enemies, getting the comfort level of being aware of enemies, where they spawn, and priority targets. And the tips on grenade usage from the Krogan Soldier class can pretty much be universally applied to any grenades using class. For example, we played a couple private matches on bronze so I could show and explain at the same time in-game mechanics. And then we went into Silver bonanza. I found a unique way to help someone learn how to Krogan smash everything. Before I role-played as Krogan Shaman, and tried my best to hold back, but I realized I had to play a more passive support role, not an overt offense being held back. The one match I played as Geth Juggernaut was the one that worked best as that role of facilitator; against Reapers. Since I aggro'd most everything, any chance of another player being sync-killed while in close proximity to the bosses was done away with. But I wasn't able to be everywhere when bosses did spawn. So the risk mitigation was very high, but not perfect, a very conducive environment to practice in that case, melee against Reaper armour units. And the siege pulses are very effective with detonating multiple targets primed by the inferno grenades of her Krogan Soldier. Anyone interested in upgrading themselves from Bronze to Silver, and then Silver to Gold? I can totally help with that, because I have basically given up trying for UR's, and having fun is more important. And honestly, the latter matches, I was cruising along, not having to do much, annisa was doing quite well, bashing things, getting the rage going!
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 18, 2016 5:07:46 GMT
... whenever I look into one of them I see the posts saying how bad the classes are. I feel a bit intimidated... Probably just BSN'ers being snooty (working as intended)... unless we're talking about the Talon Merc, in which case they were completely right. Talon Merc sucks donkey balls.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 18, 2016 5:08:05 GMT
From what I see plain vanilla humans kits might work better when I don't have anything of note on the equipment side than the different species. That's mostly true, but not universally.. The Human Soldier is a weapons platform, and so will mostly suck if you don't have any decent guns. And there are other really dominant powers kits that aren't humans: the Collector Adept, for instance- Dark Sphere does a ton of damage, and he's a biotic combo powerhouse. Or most any Asari kit: both Asari adepts and the Asari Sentinel are biotic explosion factories, and the boosted power damage from cloak makes the Asari Infiltrator's Dark Channel super powerful. The Quarian Male Engineer doesn't need a gun, only Grenade gear. Flamer kits (Geth Trooper, Vorcha Soldier and Sentinel) can kill all the things with just Flamer alone. The Krogan Warlard only needs a gun vs. bosses(everyone else gets a mouthful of warhammer), and the Krogan Vanguard just needs to headbutt stuff. Its more of guns vs. powers based kit thing than it is a human vs. non-human thing... it just so happens that most of the vanilla humans are fairly power-centric kits.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 17:07:46 GMT
I am certainly interested in trying Silver, I will probably be playing it regardless of the success rate, because all my blue level gear is maxed out, and silver gear is not going anywhere with accumulating credits via Bronze games. I am not at all interested in playing Korgan, though, because they cover the screen up move very slowly, and I dislike the F for melee, while all the powers can be easily set from the side buttons of the mouse. Even if I bound the melee to the side, it will be hard to spam it. I like mostly Human Vanguard because it is easier to get around, and all his attacks are weapons-independent. Drell Adept fr the same reason, but Vanguard also is as good as new whenever he leaps, while Drell goes splat if you lose it for just a sec.
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Post by inert on Nov 19, 2016 15:30:16 GMT
I am certainly interested in trying Silver, I will probably be playing it regardless of the success rate, because all my blue level gear is maxed out, and silver gear is not going anywhere with accumulating credits via Bronze games. I am not at all interested in playing Korgan, though, because they cover the screen up move very slowly, and I dislike the F for melee, while all the powers can be easily set from the side buttons of the mouse. Even if I bound the melee to the side, it will be hard to spam it. I like mostly Human Vanguard because it is easier to get around, and all his attacks are weapons-independent. Drell Adept fr the same reason, but Vanguard also is as good as new whenever he leaps, while Drell goes splat if you lose it for just a sec. Grab a BSNer for the carry! Most folks around here would be happy to help you out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 16:49:46 GMT
I am certainly interested in trying Silver, I will probably be playing it regardless of the success rate, because all my blue level gear is maxed out, and silver gear is not going anywhere with accumulating credits via Bronze games. I am not at all interested in playing Korgan, though, because they cover the screen up move very slowly, and I dislike the F for melee, while all the powers can be easily set from the side buttons of the mouse. Even if I bound the melee to the side, it will be hard to spam it. I like mostly Human Vanguard because it is easier to get around, and all his attacks are weapons-independent. Drell Adept fr the same reason, but Vanguard also is as good as new whenever he leaps, while Drell goes splat if you lose it for just a sec. Grab a BSNer for the carry! Most folks around here would be happy to help you out. Between the time zones & the platforms, I really have not had a chance to get in touch with anyone yet, but I don't think the sky will come crashing down if I simply pug it either.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 19, 2016 20:11:20 GMT
And honestly, the latter matches, I was cruising along, not having to do much, annisa was doing quite well, bashing things, getting the rage going! Heh, she added me recently because I wrote that I'm a bronze scrub. Not too far off I guess, since when I tried to duo gold with her, I got hugged by a banshee. But after that we got two pugs and played a few gold games. I don't really believe in this bronze and silver stuff, if you want to get good enough to play gold, you need to play gold. Let someone carry you and if you bleed out, watch how they play. Running around on silver won't really make you a better player. Learning RHA, reload-canceling, headshotting and playing higher difficulties with people who rush spawns will.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 20, 2016 0:47:43 GMT
And honestly, the latter matches, I was cruising along, not having to do much, annisa was doing quite well, bashing things, getting the rage going! Heh, she added me recently because I wrote that I'm a bronze scrub. Not too far off I guess, since when I tried to duo gold with her, I got hugged by a banshee. But after that we got two pugs and played a few gold games. I don't really believe in this bronze and silver stuff, if you want to get good enough to play gold, you need to play gold. Let someone carry you and if you bleed out, watch how they play. Running around on silver won't really make you a better player. Learning RHA, reload-canceling, headshotting and playing higher difficulties with people who rush spawns will. So, are you a bronze scrub? And if so, do you want me to carry you? But there's a fine line between being carried and learning, or being carried because one is simply lacking the experience or the appropriate gear. I've seen too many adepts using disruptor or explosive ammo. I've seen enough, for example, Slayer Vangaurds who use Adaptive War Amp, when phase disruptor isn't a biotic power. And people can learn this on their own, because it doesn't detonate biotic explosions nor does it prime them! As an aside, I'd be more than happy to help you upgrade your skills.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 20, 2016 3:25:55 GMT
As an aside, I'd be more than happy to help you upgrade your skills. Please teach me, senpai.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 20, 2016 3:31:54 GMT
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Post by crashsuit on Nov 20, 2016 3:35:20 GMT
Sorry to ruin the joke but we can't see other people's N7HQ any more, it broke about a month ago
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 20, 2016 3:52:39 GMT
Sorry to ruin the joke but we can't see other people's N7HQ any more, it broke about a month ago Thanks for the heads-up. Here it is then:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 12:37:30 GMT
Well, I just want to be able to play Silver, is all 😀 I do believe that learn by dying principle does apply, but I had a bit of trouble finding silver games, I guess I was on-line too early. Plenty of bronze though. Well, maybe during the weeknights I'll have more luck being killed off in the name of learning.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 20, 2016 22:36:41 GMT
If you've got a MAXIFEST TM through modding, than playing Bronze and Silver really is of no use anymore at all. With the game mechanics down pat, a no consumable Gold solo run fully doable, and 10 WS is also within the cards. So Cirvante, get of your a$$ and into Gold soldier! But the thing about grinding is that it forces you to compromise. To weight the pros and cons of using a certain weapon. A Falcon I is punitive to power reliant classes in terms of cooldown, but most Common and Uncommon weapons don't have a reliable stagger chance on Gold. I loved using the Eviscerator on many Engineers such as QFE, General Electric (try and figure that one out ) and even basic Human Infiltrator! Mantis is an excellent SR for being such an easy one to upgrade. Heck, you can use Phaeston and Tempest on Plat. No, really. Grinding forces learning of a different kind. I was fortunate that I have war stories (and many here can also provide of their own, definitely the grinders who got their MAXIFEST TM the old fashioned way) of just utter dire choices. I played a match where I was using the weakest pewpewpew possible, the Geth SMG, and no AP, but I ended up second place. The real kicker is that I was a FatSo, and I was relying on Tech Bursts. It was a GIP, but I arrived in Wave 1. I had to solo the last 1/3 of the last 3 rounds. The people doing the real damage were just getting killed and Rotisserie'd by Phantom gangbangs left and right. I only had the 2 missiles noobs are alloted at the time. So I could only keep them for wave 10, or a dire circumstance. You don't learn any better that if you're forced to chug piss, really, just drink all the swill, like pillaring Phantoms from RHA to RHA, and to at the same time watch out for Atlas rockets that could staggerfest into a pitchfork riot on all the 4 sides. The FatSo did his job, and I used only 1 missile, to keep the Cain Mine Arrow to the knee expert alive for the extraction, as 4 phantoms were about to close in on him in the dead-end tunnel on Glacier. War stories. That's what you will miss out on with a full MAXIFEST TM through modding. It ended up being a 49 minute game, that match. Why do I remember this game so well, even thought it was in early August? The Spectre pack right afterwards gave me a Falcon 1. And that gun has carried me to victory for many, many games. It opened up every power reliant class, and it meets the U/U threshold. Many setups are great for a specific class, but aren't good for U/U. Some guns or gear compromise where you don't get the absolute max damage, but you have all around capability. Grinding kept me honest and humble, especially knowing the shit that gets thrown at you in the higher difficulties and how lag compounds your mistakes when off-host. I have no objection to getting a MAXIFEST like the many means available outside of the grind. But there is no better teacher than the enemy that can gut you in a fraction of the time it takes successfully kill even one of them.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 21, 2016 0:23:56 GMT
Yeah, about that ... Great war stories though. I once played a gold game on FB White with Di and kouzrah and after the former got himself sync'd by an Atlas like a pug, I spent several minutes teabagging him with my volus. Did you know that you can cancel the volus' heavy melee by tapping the button again and thereby teabag twice as fast? It's a real game-changer. Then there was the time when I challenged Deerber to a teabag duel on Glacier and won. I'll never let him live that one down, ever. Good times.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 21, 2016 0:29:14 GMT
Yeah, about that ... Great war stories though. I once played a gold game on FB White with Di and kouzrah and after the former got himself sync'd by an Atlas like a pug, I spent several minutes teabagging him with my volus. Did you know that you can cancel the volus' heavy melee by tapping the button again and thereby teabag twice as fast? It's a real game-changer. Then there was the time when I challenged Deerber to a teabag duel on Glacier and won. I'll never let him live that one down, ever. Good times. Alright, you humored me, but here's the deal, I'm not gullible. I take people's words as it is. And N7 HQ being down, it's your fault for not providing the relevant information ahead of time. But you're still a scrub, and I'll prove it, one way or another.
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Post by Cirvante on Nov 21, 2016 0:49:19 GMT
Alright, you humored me, but here's the deal, I'm not gullible. I take people's words as it is. And N7 HQ being down, it's your fault for not providing the relevant information ahead of time. But you're still a scrub, and I'll prove it, one way or another. Oh, my sweet summer child. If you take everything posted here at face value, you'll be made fun of. A lot. Thanks for the giggle though, m8.
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Post by ParagusPrime on Nov 21, 2016 0:58:50 GMT
You did just the same. Never believe a word I say. Those who say don't know. Those who know don't say.
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Post by frankiscrank on Nov 21, 2016 8:10:05 GMT
Those who say don't know. Those who know don't say. That's deep. I ... don't know what to say.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 21, 2016 9:57:05 GMT
Those who say don't know. Those who know don't say. That's deep. I ... don't know what to say. Errr - are you saying or are you knowing right now?
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Post by frankiscrank on Nov 21, 2016 10:33:46 GMT
Those who say don't know. Those who know don't say. That's deep. I ... don't know what to say. Errr - are you saying or are you knowing right now? Well - I don't know. And I won't say.
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Post by Dekibra on Nov 21, 2016 11:01:10 GMT
That's deep. I ... don't know what to say. Errr - are you saying or are you knowing right now?
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