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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 5, 2017 20:59:35 GMT
Interesting regarding the "Ancient" and "Arrogant" races all the way back in 2013; at least that part turned out to be true.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 21:00:23 GMT
That's quite interesting because even though it was still...well four years ago and thus very early....I believe BioWare had already made an announcement where it wouldn't do such a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:05:25 GMT
Interesting regarding the "Ancient" and "Arrogant" races all the way back in 2013; at least that part turned out to be true. Yeah, I found that intriguing as well... tidbits that are indeed close but with the main twisted so far off the mark to match what is obviously the writer's bias/desire.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:14:23 GMT
I think it was 2013 for sure when Shepard was considered done. Might have been 2012 because that is when people were most upset and I remember it not being taken well to put it mildly. Come to think of it, I now believe a huge part of the hate has to do with that. People still wanted milky way and their beloved crew, but the crew had changed over the years. I think 2 was received less well at first because of this change. But I think the biggest blow was Shepard basically being dead. There is still even speculation over if Shepard could have survived. Most people don't think so with the breath scene ending still being wildly debated and a huge portion of them think that certain color endings give Shepard some kind of immortality. I remember some people picking certain endings just to keep shepard alive. As I sit here now, I wonder if SJW is possibly less the reason for hate from some people and more the fact that they might feel BW murdered their favorite RPG character. There is that mindset that if someone or some character goes through so much, they should be given the gift of a happy life for it. The idea of sacrificing one's life to save a galaxy seems noble but when you are playing that character and it means they are no more, I can truly understand this as some element that factored largely into the unhinged factor.
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Post by kino on Jul 5, 2017 21:27:46 GMT
The comments are as interesting as the article.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 21:28:55 GMT
The comments are as interesting as the article. Dare I?
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Post by kino on Jul 5, 2017 21:30:51 GMT
The comments are as interesting as the article. Dare I? Ah, they're not that bad, but it goes to show how few people wanted to let go of the OT...and why they might have been mad about ME:A. Can't always get what you want and all of that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:31:07 GMT
The comments are as interesting as the article. More interesting. Did you notice how many want to not leave milky way, want to have the crew and shepard alive?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 21:32:52 GMT
Ah, they're not that bad, but it goes to show how few people wanted to let go of the OT...and why they might have been mad about ME:A. Can't always get what you want and all of that. Indeed. Which is why I always try not to form serious expectations I guess. I always said the best way to get over the ending would have either been massive time, or massive distance. I found it quite brilliant that they did both.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 5, 2017 21:35:30 GMT
How anyone could take something seriously that claims the two groups will be called the 'Ancient' and the 'Arrogant' is beyond me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:36:23 GMT
Ah, they're not that bad, but it goes to show how few people wanted to let go of the OT...and why they might have been mad about ME:A. Can't always get what you want and all of that. Indeed. Which is why I always try not to form serious expectations I guess. I always said the best way to get over the ending would have either been massive time, or massive distance. I found it quite brilliant that they did both. I'm not really sure how well that worked though. Sure explains a chunk of the hate. People just protesting that Shep and crew are gone. Heck if shep and crew headed to andromeda I think people would be thrilled as hell. Of course, doing it for a reason other than having left the galaxy in near ruins probably would have been best.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:41:14 GMT
Come to think of it, there are still people bitching about their Warden.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 21:42:15 GMT
Come to think of it, there are still people bitching about their Warden. 'tis annoying.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 5, 2017 21:50:08 GMT
Come to think of it, there are still people bitching about their Warden. 'tis annoying. yep that it is. I just try to ignore them because the warden just like Shep is done.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2017 21:51:36 GMT
Come to think of it, there are still people bitching about their Warden. 'tis annoying. And that was only one game. Three games and I guess what you get is what we've seen. And of course, the warden just went off to look for a cure. Nothing so traumatic as left dead under a pile of rubble while said galaxy burns and said crew leaves said hero for dead. I'm starting to think BW pretty much loaded that gun and shot themselves in the foot 4 times. One for the crew. One for the galaxy. One for the endings. And one for shepard. There was no way MEA was going to get as well received with that kind of emotional baggage. Of course, you can't really blame BW completely. They clearly didn't understand the stewing rage of a fandom that's been wronged. Probably having to hammer into their skulls that shepard is dead repeatedly over the years should have been taken as a sign or warning of sorts. File it under things to never ever, ever do to your fan base.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 21:58:46 GMT
And that was only one game. Three games and I guess what you get is what we've seen. And of course, the warden just went off to look for a cure. Nothing so traumatic as left dead under a pile of rubble while said galaxy burns and said crew leaves said hero for dead. I'm starting to think BW pretty much loaded that gun and shot themselves in the foot 4 times. One for the crew. One for the galaxy. One for the endings. And one for shepard. There was no way MEA was going to get as well received with that kind of emotional baggage. Of course, you can't really blame BW completely. They clearly didn't understand the stewing rage of a fandom that's been wronged. Probably having to hammer into their skulls that shepard is dead repeatedly over the years should have been taken as a sign or warning of sorts. File it under things to never ever, ever do to your fan base. I don't see why. I mean crap this just seems to be something unique to the ME fanbase. I mean sure there is grumblings here and there that we can't be the Warden but it does not threaten to destroy the cohesiveness of entire franchises, I mean DA seems to quite able to continue with new protags. The Doctor Who fandom is quite content with major characters getting replaced on a semi regular basis and even the protagonist of the show changes whole bodies and personalities every few years. And Game of Thrones and Walking Dead are quite capable of absorbing the emotional impact of having main characters routinely and savagely slaughtered (though the Glenn thing was a bit much). And then Trek and Gate both went on to have spin offs with little or nothing to do with the show that came before. Though it can be argued some wasn't successful. My oint is though...what is the phemnon here that has caused Shepard to reach such monumentarily popular status where literally nothing could replace them? I mean I get it, I loved Shepard to, but all stories come to an end eventually. In which case they can stay dead, or we can try something new.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 5, 2017 21:59:59 GMT
Fake news back then. Fake news now.
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And that was only one game. Three games and I guess what you get is what we've seen. And of course, the warden just went off to look for a cure. Nothing so traumatic as left dead under a pile of rubble while said galaxy burns and said crew leaves said hero for dead. I'm starting to think BW pretty much loaded that gun and shot themselves in the foot 4 times. One for the crew. One for the galaxy. One for the endings. And one for shepard. There was no way MEA was going to get as well received with that kind of emotional baggage. Of course, you can't really blame BW completely. They clearly didn't understand the stewing rage of a fandom that's been wronged. Probably having to hammer into their skulls that shepard is dead repeatedly over the years should have been taken as a sign or warning of sorts. File it under things to never ever, ever do to your fan base. I'm not shocked. You had one character for three games. It may have been the Mass Effect universe, but it was Shepard's story. I don't know if you ever watched 24, but the main character of that show was Jack Bauer, and he was the show. They tried to bring back the show calling it 24 Legacy, and I think it's going to be canceled after one season. People probably didn't accept that show without Jack Bauer as the lead. Then when ME:A stumbled out of the gate, it just gave people an excuse to really go after it. If they were going to bring it back, it had to be better than good to grab all the OT players, and then they could strike while the iron was hot and release DLC and another game quickly, like they did with DA:O after release. But instead, they had to spend all their times fixing the vanilla game.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 5, 2017 22:01:55 GMT
Come to think of it, there are still people bitching about their Warden. 'tis annoying. They have cause, because in people's playthrough's the Warden is either: alive, King/Queen of Ferelden (that's the big one for me, personally) has a "child" legitimately or "not", or has a romantic relationship to a possible Divine. In other words, BioWare hasn't ended Warden's story at all and is unwilling to do so. I see both sides' of their arguments. But that's a long rabbit hole, that's been discussed so I'm done.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 5, 2017 22:06:45 GMT
Never heard of that site, but even that treated it as a rumor, and click - baited the title. So, what's your point again? You could literally get that anywhere from just about anything. Before any present solid evidence, it's really about what you want to hear, and even that happens when there's well written stuff out there. Just wait a few more days. This thread was literally... pointless.
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Post by kino on Jul 5, 2017 22:09:37 GMT
The comments are as interesting as the article. More interesting. Did you notice how many want to not leave milky way, want to have the crew and shepard alive? It's almost like separation anxiety. I get it, I do. After building relationships with those characters over three games it's tough to have to leave the series behind. Of course carrying that anger over to the next game five years later, well, that's shit's a little weird.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 5, 2017 22:10:27 GMT
They have cause, because in people's playthrough's the Warden is either: alive, King/Queen of Ferelden (that's the big one for me, personally) has a "child" legitimately or "not", or has a romantic relationship to a possible Divine. In other words, BioWare hasn't ended Warden's story at all and is unwilling to do so. I see both sides' of their arguments. But that's a long rabbit hole, that's been discussed so I'm done. My Warden's stoy ended with Witch Hunt. I do not want, require, or expect more out of BioWare. Sure their involvement in the world of Thedas may not be over, but now is the time for new heroes.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 5, 2017 22:12:39 GMT
They have cause, because in people's playthrough's the Warden is either: alive, King/Queen of Ferelden (that's the big one for me, personally) has a "child" legitimately or "not", or has a romantic relationship to a possible Divine. In other words, BioWare hasn't ended Warden's story at all and is unwilling to do so. I see both sides' of their arguments. But that's a long rabbit hole, that's been discussed so I'm done. My Warden's stoy ended with Witch Hunt. I do not want, require, or expect more out of BioWare. Sure their involvement in the world of Thedas may not be over, but now is the time for new heroes. Personally, disagree. Witch Hunt's ending is so barebones that you can't call it an ending, and that's coming from someone who pursued Morrigan. They got together again, at least mine, and...?
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