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Jul 6, 2017 5:09:12 GMT smilesja said:

Is flemeth truly dead?

sort of.

Meh, I should probably play Trespasser, shouldn't I?

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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 16:11:42 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 16:07:49 GMT Monica21 said:

sort of.

Meh, I should probably play Trespasser, shouldn't I?

Yes. Yes you should. Posthaste.

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Post by Monica21 on Jul 6, 2017 16:18:37 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 16:11:42 GMT kino said:

Jul 6, 2017 16:07:49 GMT Monica21 said:

Meh, I should probably play Trespasser, shouldn't I?

Yes. Yes you should. Posthaste.

I'm going to run into several issues. First, while I have Inquisition installed, I don't have a playthrough on my new PC. Second, I'm in the middle of an Andromeda playthrough. And third, I like Andromeda a lot better than Inquisition. (I know, weird, right?) So I'll be on the strugglebus to play through it.

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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 16:22:44 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 16:18:37 GMT Monica21 said:

Jul 6, 2017 16:11:42 GMT kino said:

Yes. Yes you should. Posthaste.

I'm going to run into several issues. First, while I have Inquisition installed, I don't have a playthrough on my new PC. Second, I'm in the middle of an Andromeda playthrough. And third, I like Andromeda a lot better than Inquisition. (I know, weird, right?) So I'll be on the strugglebus to play through it.

That's not a bus, it's a train. As a fan of both let me say this, damned if I would stop an Andromeda play through to play Trespasser. Trespasser will still be there when you're done.

Still, you totally need to to play Trespasser at some point. Maybe not posthaste, but you should.

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Post by alanc9 on Jul 6, 2017 16:25:28 GMT

No cloud saves?

You could pick up a save from the web and re-do the PC's appearance.

Alternatively, if you want to see the lore but really don't like the gameplay, there's always YouTube.

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Post by bizantura on Jul 6, 2017 16:35:42 GMT

Making up one's own mind has always been a difficult task but in this day and age what the social digital rumor mill produces is what is most real to people. Take your pick every variety is on youtube. No RPG can satisfy everyone's wishes so compromises have to be made.

EA and other developers hyped up this "satisfy" (dopamine addiction) expectation and the public expects nothing less. This loop is simply unsustainable nor can any developer satisfy fans needs by implementing endless wishes.

In the addiction sense ME original trilogy did a too good job all the while smoddering creativity. From EA standpoint I can understand if they let the ME franchise go and create new addictions with lesser conflicts attached and keep it in the sweet spot of more realistic expectations.
There is a reason Bioware is veering of making RPG's.

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Post by Monica21 on Jul 6, 2017 17:05:51 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 16:25:28 GMT alanc9 said:

No cloud saves?

You could pick up a save from the web and re-do the PC's appearance.

Alternatively, if you want to see the lore but really don't like the gameplay, there's always YouTube.

I think I was only doing local saves, so probably not. I'm definitely on the cloud save train now.

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Post by warrior on Jul 6, 2017 18:04:13 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 16:18:37 GMT Monica21 said:

I'm going to run into several issues. First, while I have Inquisition installed, I don't have a playthrough on my new PC. Second, I'm in the middle of an Andromeda playthrough. And third, I like Andromeda a lot better than Inquisition. (I know, weird, right?) So I'll be on the strugglebus to play through it.

That's not a bus, it's a train. As a fan of both let me say this, damned if I would stop an Andromeda play through to play Trespasser. Trespasser will still be there when you're done.

Still, you totally need to to play Trespasser at some point. Maybe not posthaste, but you should.

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 18:09:22 GMT

That's not a bus, it's a train. As a fan of both let me say this, damned if I would stop an Andromeda play through to play Trespasser. Trespasser will still be there when you're done.

Still, you totally need to to play Trespasser at some point. Maybe not posthaste, but you should.

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

The only DLC that sticks out for me and DAO was Awakening and Witch Hunt. They both tie in somewhere down the line. For DA2, the Legacy DLC is a direct tie in to DAI. All three of the major DAI DLC were great, but I guess you could skip Descent. I loved the hell out of Descent, but I don't know if it's a necessary DLC.

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Post by henkiedepost on Jul 6, 2017 18:09:48 GMT

That's not a bus, it's a train. As a fan of both let me say this, damned if I would stop an Andromeda play through to play Trespasser. Trespasser will still be there when you're done.

Still, you totally need to to play Trespasser at some point. Maybe not posthaste, but you should.

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

A friend of mine started playing DA a few months ago and he then proceeded to play through everything the IP has to offer. In the end, DAO was still his favorite. It's only an opinion from a random person, I know, but it's apparently still possible to get into the game and love it nowadays. I can't speak from personal experience though. Have yet to play any other game in the series apart from DAI but I didn't really enjoy it unfortunately.

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Post by vonuber on Jul 6, 2017 18:45:30 GMT

Still not finished either DAO or DAI.

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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 6, 2017 18:47:17 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 18:09:22 GMT kino said:

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

The only DLC that sticks out for me and DAO was Awakening and Witch Hunt. They both tie in somewhere down the line. For DA2, the Legacy DLC is a direct tie in to DAI. All three of the major DAI DLC were great, but I guess you could skip Descent. I loved the hell out of Descent, but I don't know if it's a necessary DLC.

I strongly suspect that what we learned in The Descent is going to rear it's head further down the line. There's already some link established between that and the history discovered in Trespasser.

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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 6, 2017 18:51:14 GMT

That's not a bus, it's a train. As a fan of both let me say this, damned if I would stop an Andromeda play through to play Trespasser. Trespasser will still be there when you're done.

Still, you totally need to to play Trespasser at some point. Maybe not posthaste, but you should.

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

I don't know what you'd consider criteria for a DLC to avoid, but tbh I wouldn't say any of them across the series were all that bad.

The one with the least relevance to the overall story is DAO's The Darkspawn Chronicles, which is basically an alternate reality/what if scenario played from the perspective of the Darkspawn. It's not a bad dlc but a bit redundant.

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Post by kino on Jul 6, 2017 19:30:47 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 18:47:17 GMT jaegerbane said:

Jul 6, 2017 18:09:22 GMT kino said:

The only DLC that sticks out for me and DAO was Awakening and Witch Hunt. They both tie in somewhere down the line. For DA2, the Legacy DLC is a direct tie in to DAI. All three of the major DAI DLC were great, but I guess you could skip Descent. I loved the hell out of Descent, but I don't know if it's a necessary DLC.

I strongly suspect that what we learned in The Descent is going to rear it's head further down the line. There's already some link established between that and the history discovered in Trespasser.

Without a doubt, but if one were working on a budget for DAI DLC I think it's the one I would say skip for now. I'm definitely not saying don't play it because I thought, as a story, it was great.

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Post by warrior on Jul 6, 2017 20:06:17 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 18:51:14 GMT jaegerbane said:

I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

I don't know what you'd consider criteria for a DLC to avoid, but tbh I wouldn't say any of them across the series were all that bad.

The one with the least relevance to the overall story is DAO's The Darkspawn Chronicles, which is basically an alternate reality/what if scenario played from the perspective of the Darkspawn. It's not a bad dlc but a bit redundant.

I guess just, Is it boring?

Then again, people hate Arrival or find it pointless and it's my favorite, and people hate Leviathan's lore and it didn't bother me, so I understand that this is all totally subjective. It's just gonna cost a lot to add that much content in the end, so if there is near-consensus that something is bad I may skip it, especially because I'm not nearly as attached to the DA universe as I am to the ME one.

I definitely have no interest in playing as a darkspawn.

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Post by shechinah on Jul 6, 2017 20:20:56 GMT

Jul 6, 2017 20:06:17 GMT warrior said:

Jul 6, 2017 18:51:14 GMT jaegerbane said:

I guess just, Is it boring?

Then again, people hate Arrival or find it pointless and it's my favorite, and people hate Leviathan's lore and it didn't bother me, so I understand that this is all totally subjective. It's just gonna cost a lot to add that much content in the end, so if there is near-consensus that something is bad I may skip it, especially because I'm not nearly as attached to the DA universe as I am to the ME one.

I definitely have no interest in playing as a darkspawn.

The Darkspawn Chronicles are pretty much just you running around and killing things as a darkspawn. Your "companions" are other darkspawn that aren't really companions as much as just there to serve a combat role in the party. There's nothing much to it beyond that. I mean, if you really want to kill Morrigan then there's the DLC for you. There's no story in it that I can recall.

I don't recommend it if you already have no interest in playing as a darkspawn.

Note: As I recall the DLC, at least.

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Post by shechinah on Jul 6, 2017 20:29:56 GMT

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I haven't played any story DLC for any of the Dragon Age games, but I think I will just replay the games (haven't replayed any yet) soon and buy it all as I do... are there any I should avoid? Especially for DAO since there is so much of it and it is an old game?

I'd say most of the DLC that I can recommend you buy or avoid depends on what you're looking for in DLC.

I can recommend The Stone Prisoner for Dragon Age: Origins because it adds an additional companion who has her own acquisition quest, story, banter and interaction with her surroundings. Basically, a party member that feels completely like a normal companion unlike how Kasumi or Zaeed could sometimes feel.

I can recommend Trespasser for Dragon Age: Inquisition because it serves as the conclusion whilst also serving as the beginning of something else.

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Jul 6, 2017 16:02:26 GMT alanc9 said:

Jul 6, 2017 4:46:47 GMT edisnooM said:

Honestly not a whole lot:

SPOILER: Click to show

Yeah you find out that surprise she isn't human just like Morrigan said in Witch Hunt, and yes the elven god bit was interesting, but then boom she's dead and dark ritual seemingly tossed aside. So...the cryptic character teased over three games has been replaced by a cryptic character from the latest game.

It honestly seemed like they were trying to brush away as much stuff as they could, which with Gaider leaving maybe was the case.

I dunno, I would be happy to play the Warden again since I liked the character and think there is still more that could be done (he certainly seems to be on grand quest somewhere). And if I was a writer I wouldn't need BioWare to do it for me. :-)

I was more responding to people saying they don't get why people want the Warden back, namely that I didn't find Witch Hunt to be particularly satisfying ending for the character.

Well, we did end up knowing what Flemeth was before she -- exited? And the new mystery gets pretty well revealed in Trespasser if the player hasn't guessed it already.

As for the Warden, continued play is as difficult to implement as continued play as Shepard , except even worse since Shepard's personality and goals are somewhat constrained while the Warden's are not. Remember, any Shepard has to be someone who would willingly join and remain in the Alliance military, while a Warden is forced into the Grey Wardens and may well want nothing to do with them. (This is an RP problem even within DA:O itself.) DA:A is a problem for some Wardens, though it's easy enough to simply not play the expansion with such a Warden.

Yeah, it still seemed like any build up or whatnot was still pushed to the side in favour of the new mystery character. Trespasser did reveal more too, but if they follow tradition that would be brought up again until DA5.

I'm not really under any delusions that the Warden will return, merely that I would be in favour if they did. It is kind of strange though BioWare's canon as per the keep is that the Warden made the Ultimate Sacrifice, but Witch Hunt seems tailor made, or at least heavily geared towards Dark Ritual or Morrigan romancing Warden's.

Jul 6, 2017 16:06:21 GMT alanc9 said:

sort of.

We've seen that before, of course.

I think there's a limit to how often they can do that before it gets silly. This also seemed a bit more permanent, given who did it and how it was done (also in a cutscene independent of player choice).

Jul 6, 2017 16:07:49 GMT Monica21 said:

sort of.

Meh, I should probably play Trespasser, shouldn't I?

It happened post-credit in the game proper if that affects your choice at all. Trespasser is good though, and serves as an epilogue (whether proper epilogues should be DLC is another matter of course).