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Post by haolyn on Jul 9, 2017 18:52:29 GMT
well i found characters that i loved in MEA. ironically the number one character i liked the most is Reyes, as well as his associated plotline, in the nonsensical kadara situation you outlined. Reyes is one of my favorites also. But he's a sidekick. If you take his side, he keeps hanging out in that bar, if you don't, he's gone for good. i mean sure, i would have loved more content. but i still liked the content i did get, to the point where it's my favorite mass effect romance ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 18:52:32 GMT
You really need higher standards. PSA: Sophomoric character attacks are not arguments. You really need higher standards. Jokes on you. Preferring an HK416/MR556 over any other AR-15 equals high standarts. Not to mention fucking AKs. If your standarts are through the roof, yes, you'll probably be getting an AK. Hey now. My custom-built AR-15 suits me just fine, thank you.  >MEA >well written ME3 is better written than MEA, MEA was pathetic on the writing front and alll of your examples of (((good)) writing are actually examples of contrived and poor writing. >Pepe avatar >Meme arrows >No substance  |
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 18:54:09 GMT
See i loved DAI my favorite game of all time. I.only bring this up to point out the platforming sections were completely optional. But it's funny. People complain about MEAs casual dialogue when one of the options is called casual. Running Ryder as logical/ professional reminded me a lot of Shepard. Isn't it called emotional? I'm not sure, since I haven't played the game in a while. But that aside, you usually only get two reply options. Taking only the logical part because you don't feel like funny, pretty much puts you on rails. It's also that the writers haven't made provisions for different replies to different responses. Mostly the reply is the exact same wether you choose casual/emotional or logical. Emotional is top left, Casual is bottom left. Most dialogues give you four options: Logical, Professional, Emotional, and Casual. And no, they can be very different. I chose the Casual option for a response to Morda and I'm lucky I didn't get a headbutt. |
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Post by Iakus on Jul 9, 2017 18:55:13 GMT
>MEA >well written ME3 is better written than MEA, Let's not go crazy here.... |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 18:55:58 GMT
Well summarized, colfoley . I would agree on the points you have made more or less in their entirety. Quite a well put-together, well thought-out, and well formatted wall of text.  ME:A kept me interested and dying to find out what happened next. I actually like the basic premise around ME:A's plot more than the OT's but the OT's plot definitely has more... weight to it, so to speak and even more gravity to pull you in. That being said, ME:A was a much needed break from the doom and gloom of the OT. The lighthearted, jolly band of miscreants vibe helped heal old wounds that the OT left in my soul. The characters immediately jumped out at me (Vetra!!!  ) and I fell in love with Ryder's crew in very much the same way as the OT. That being said, no one in ME:A immediately jumped out at me as much as Garrus and Tali did, albeit in ME2 which obviously isn't a fair comparison and ME1's characters were CoD-level bland, imo. Andromeda handled the introduction of new characters faaar better than ME1. I love the OT and I love Andromeda, and each have their individual strengths and weaknesses. To me, all of the shit ME:A caught (technical issues not withstanding) is based around ME:A not being the OT and that seemingly sent people for one hell of a loop. With as many people complaining about endless sequels these days, its unbelievable to me that they demand more of the same. I can't quit wrap my head around it... The funniest part of all or this is that for every complaint I've seen about ME:A, I can pick out the exact same failures in the OT with ease. (Makes sense as they are all BW games after all.) All in all, I don't even think ME is the best story ever told with they best characters nor do I think BioWare develops the best stories and characters in gaming. Hell, BioWare fails pretty atrociously at character modeling and animating human/human-like faces in all their games (hence the infamous BioWare face memes), but what ME and BW do excel at, is drawing me in and keeping my ass glued to my seat as I need to progress through their games, and to me, that is what makes them special. you do bring up a point though. First installments of series rarely focus on characters... More plot set up and world building. Its one of the reasons i want MEA2 so bad is if they can maintain this level of story writing but focus on the characters like ME 2 or DA I well this MIGHT be my first ten/ ten rated game. |
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Post by Iakus on Jul 9, 2017 18:57:07 GMT
I don't think it's well written at all. It feels rushed and clumsy. Another game where humanz save everyone It would be better if it was. As it is, it's " SAM saves everyone" and Ryder is just a meat puppet to get Sam where it needs to be. The game is a hymn to Synthesis |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 9, 2017 18:57:11 GMT
They were optional... Most of the gameplay was optional. I didn't like that.
I liked all the characters; they were well done and I enjoyed them. Cory is weak, we all know that.
What killed that game for me was the actual gameplay; on PC, in my opinion, it had terrible controls early on (I pre-ordered) and playing a melee character on MKB was awful.
Playing the game as an Magic Sword Wizard was simply a game of push one button, watch awesome, repeat. Give up on your companions, their AI is so brutally stupid that unless they are Blackwall or Cass, they are simply going to suicide no matter how you try.
Ugh. I would like to try it again, but I have a feeling I know how it will go. There is a reason I uninstalled.
To me, DAI was almost great. It was a Bioware game, but it got lost in the world and also the engine. How I wish they had just kept on licensing UE.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 18:59:41 GMT
They were optional... Most of the gameplay was optional. I didn't like that. I liked all the characters; they were well done and I enjoyed them. Cory is weak, we all know that. What killed that game for me was the actual gameplay; on PC, in my opinion, it had terrible controls early on (I pre-ordered) and playing a melee character on MKB was awful. Playing the game as an Magic Sword Wizard was simply a game of push one button, watch awesome, repeat. Give up on your companions, their AI is so brutally stupid that unless they are Blackwall or Cass, they are simply going to suicide no matter how you try. Ugh. I would like to try it again, but I have a feeling I know how it will go. There is a reason I uninstalled. To me, DAI was almost great. It was a Bioware game, but it got lost in the world and also the engine. How I wish they had just kept on licensing UE. liked the gameplay loved the characters. And i liked Cory. |
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 19:00:04 GMT
They were optional... Most of the gameplay was optional. I didn't like that. I liked all the characters; they were well done and I enjoyed them. Cory is weak, we all know that. What killed that game for me was the actual gameplay; on PC, in my opinion, it had terrible controls early on (I pre-ordered) and playing a melee character on MKB was awful. Playing the game as an Magic Sword Wizard was simply a game of push one button, watch awesome, repeat. Give up on your companions, their AI is so brutally stupid that unless they are Blackwall or Cass, they are simply going to suicide no matter how you try. Ugh. I would like to try it again, but I have a feeling I know how it will go. There is a reason I uninstalled. To me, DAI was almost great. It was a Bioware game, but it got lost in the world and also the engine. How I wish they had just kept on licensing UE. This may not matter, but I have very similar feelings about DAI and am enjoying MEA. *shrug* |
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Post by abaris on Jul 9, 2017 19:00:45 GMT
What killed that game for me was the actual gameplay; on PC, in my opinion, it had terrible controls early on (I pre-ordered) and playing a melee character on MKB was awful. I only tried that for about ten minutes. Then I hooked up my wireless controller and never looked back. It's one of the select few games I wouldn't have enjoyed myself using mouse and keyboard. With some games I use controller as well as mouse and keyboard, if they allow for it. |
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I don't think it's well written at all. It feels rushed and clumsy. Another game where humanz save everyone That isn't bad writing... |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 9, 2017 19:01:51 GMT
From all I have seen, there is very little to complain about in SP gameplay for MEA. It seems to be the most polished aspect of the game.
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Post by abaris on Jul 9, 2017 19:05:38 GMT
That isn't bad writing... I don't know how many people of my generation are still around on here, but it brought back memories of the old UFO series from the early 70ies. We all used to watch and discuss it when we were in primary. There was one episode featuring one human stranded with an extraterrestrial on moon and they suddenly got along. Even as a child, that struck a nerve with me. I was in tears when the aline got killed because the other humans didn't understand that he just wanted to help. |
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Well summarized, colfoley . I would agree on the points you have made more or less in their entirety. Quite a well put-together, well thought-out, and well formatted wall of text. ME:A kept me interested and dying to find out what happened next. I actually like the basic premise around ME:A's plot more than the OT's but the OT's plot definitely has more... weight to it, so to speak and even more gravity to pull you in. That being said, ME:A was a much needed break from the doom and gloom of the OT. The lighthearted, jolly band of miscreants vibe helped heal old wounds that the OT left in my soul. The characters immediately jumped out at me (Vetra!!! ) and I fell in love with Ryder's crew in very much the same way as the OT. That being said, no one in ME:A immediately jumped out at me as much as Garrus and Tali did, albeit in ME2 which obviously isn't a fair comparison and ME1's characters were CoD-level bland, imo. Andromeda handled the introduction of new characters faaar better than ME1. I love the OT and I love Andromeda, and each have their individual strengths and weaknesses. To me, all of the shit ME:A caught (technical issues not withstanding) is based around ME:A not being the OT and that seemingly sent people for one hell of a loop. With as many people complaining about endless sequels these days, its unbelievable to me that they demand more of the same. I can't quit wrap my head around it... The funniest part of all or this is that for every complaint I've seen about ME:A, I can pick out the exact same failures in the OT with ease. (Makes sense as they are all BW games after all.) All in all, I don't even think ME is the best story ever told with they best characters nor do I think BioWare develops the best stories and characters in gaming. Hell, BioWare fails pretty atrociously at character modeling and animating human/human-like faces in all their games (hence the infamous BioWare face memes), but what ME and BW do excel at, is drawing me in and keeping my ass glued to my seat as I need to progress through their games, and to me, that is what makes them special. you do bring up a point though. First installments of series rarely focus on characters... More plot set up and world building. Its one of the reasons i want MEA2 so bad is if they can maintain this level of story writing but focus on the characters like ME 2 or DA I well this MIGHT be my first ten/ ten rated game. I would certainly agree once again, but ME1's characters were cardboard cutouts of sci-fi tropes and other first-ofthe-series games have introduced and built characters better. It really contributes to ME1 being a chore to play through, and I only deal with said chore to import into the rest of the OT. |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:09:03 GMT
you do bring up a point though. First installments of series rarely focus on characters... More plot set up and world building. Its one of the reasons i want MEA2 so bad is if they can maintain this level of story writing but focus on the characters like ME 2 or DA I well this MIGHT be my first ten/ ten rated game. I would certainly agree once again, but ME1's characters were cardboard cutouts of sci-fi tropes and other first-ofthe-series games have introduced and built characters better. It really contributes to ME1 being a chore to play through, and I only deal with said chore to import into the rest of the OT. amen to that. I almost downgraded me 1 to a tier 3 game last time i played. |
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From all I have seen, there is very little to complain about in SP gameplay for MEA. It seems to be the most polished aspect of the game. That's because ME:A's gameplay is slick as oiled linoleum and in my opinion, the most important part of a video game.That isn't bad writing... I don't know how many people of my generation are still around on here, but it brought back memories of the old UFO series from the early 70ies. We all used to watch and discuss it when we were in primary. There was one episode featuring one human stranded with an extraterrestrial on moon and they suddenly got along. Even as a child, that struck a nerve with me. I was in tears when the aline got killed because the other humans didn't understand that he just wanted to help. I certainly would love a ME centered around one of the series many alien races or a select-your-own-race feature, but being human-centric is not akin to bad writing. Its a false equivalency at best. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:11:50 GMT
I would certainly agree once again, but ME1's characters were cardboard cutouts of sci-fi tropes and other first-ofthe-series games have introduced and built characters better. It really contributes to ME1 being a chore to play through, and I only deal with said chore to import into the rest of the OT. amen to that. I almost downgraded me 1 to a tier 3 game last time i played. My two faves, Garrus and Tali, are so boring that they are actually annoying. It doesn't help that the gameplay and mechanics are terrible even for a game of its day. I honestly can't fully enjoy playing it anymore.  |
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 19:12:28 GMT
What killed that game for me was the actual gameplay; on PC, in my opinion, it had terrible controls early on (I pre-ordered) and playing a melee character on MKB was awful. I only tried that for about ten minutes. Then I hooked up my wireless controller and never looked back. It's one of the select few games I wouldn't have enjoyed myself using mouse and keyboard. With some games I use controller as well as mouse and keyboard, if they allow for it. I don't have a controller because I don't have a console, so I was annoyed that the KBM was released in the poor state it was. I wasn't going to go out and buy a controller, but it certainly had an impact on whether the game was replayable. |
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:14:43 GMT
You really need higher standards. Jokes on you. Preferring an HK416/MR556 over any other AR-15 equals high standarts. Not to mention fucking AKs. If your standarts are through the roof, yes, you'll probably be getting an AK. What? |
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Post by abaris on Jul 9, 2017 19:15:45 GMT
I don't have a controller because I don't have a console, so I was annoyed that the KBM was released in the poor state it was. I wasn't going to go out and buy a controller, but it certainly had an impact on whether the game was replayable. It's not that expensive. No more than a mouse. I don't have a console either, but I have my wireless controller for the better part of a decade by now. The original reason to purchase it was Saints Row 2 and me getting tired of using the keyboard to steer the cars. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:16:24 GMT
Jokes on you. Preferring an HK416/MR556 over any other AR-15 equals high standarts. Not to mention fucking AKs. If your standarts are through the roof, yes, you'll probably be getting an AK. What? *whoosh* |
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:16:43 GMT
As an aside i suppose turn about is fair play. Afterall Origins was HORRIBLE with a controller. And playing it on the kb&m was a noticeable improvement. Still the worse combat system in a game for me.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 19:16:47 GMT
I don't have a controller because I don't have a console, so I was annoyed that the KBM was released in the poor state it was. I wasn't going to go out and buy a controller, but it certainly had an impact on whether the game was replayable. It's not that expensive. No more than a mouse. I don't have a console either, but I have my wireless controller for the better part of a decade by now. The original reason to purchase it was Saints Row 2 and me getting tired of using the keyboard to steer the cars. My point is that I play on PC for a reason and I'm not going to buy a controller for one game. I prefer KBM. |
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Post by abaris on Jul 9, 2017 19:18:02 GMT
My point is that I play on PC for a reason and I'm not going to buy a controller for one game. I prefer KBM. My reason for playing on the PC exclusively are mods. Not controls. |
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
You really need higher standards. PSA: Sophomoric character attacks are not arguments. If that's what you perceive as a "character attack", then I don't know how you get by in the real world. Do you get offended by everything? What I meant was that while liking certain types of writing is subjective, quality of writing is not. Thus, higher standards. Or are you trying to tell me that Adam Sandler movies are comparable to Citizen Kane? |
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