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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:20:50 GMT
PSA: Sophomoric character attacks are not arguments. If that's what you perceive as a "character attack", then I don't know how you get by in the real world. Do you get offended by everything? What I meant was that while liking certain types of writing is subjective, quality of writing is not. Thus, higher standards. Or are you trying to tell me that Adam Sandler movies are comparable to Citizen Kane? a character attack is a character attack. Ones ability to get offended by it is irrelevant. I let it get under my skin. Mia culpa.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:22:52 GMT
PSA: Sophomoric character attacks are not arguments. If that's what you perceive as a "character attack", then I don't know how you get by in the real world. Do you get offended by everything? What I meant was that while liking certain types of writing is subjective, quality of writing is not. Thus, higher standards. Or are you trying to tell me that Adam Sandler movies are comparable to Citizen Kane? A. That is a character attack by definition. Rather amusing how it is followed up with another character attack in the form of "you're a special snowflake!!!1" B. I am no movie buff so that reference is out of my ball game, like you and firearms, for example.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 19:22:54 GMT
PSA: Sophomoric character attacks are not arguments. If that's what you perceive as a "character attack", then I don't know how you get by in the real world. Do you get offended by everything? What I meant was that while liking certain types of writing is subjective, quality of writing is not. Thus, higher standards. Or are you trying to tell me that Adam Sandler movies are comparable to Citizen Kane? If that person feels like they are then that's their opinion
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Post by warrior on Jul 9, 2017 19:23:27 GMT
See i loved DAI my favorite game of all time. I.only bring this up to point out the platforming sections were completely optional. But it's funny. People complain about MEAs casual dialogue when one of the options is called casual. Running Ryder as logical/ professional reminded me a lot of Shepard. Isn't it called emotional? I'm not sure, since I haven't played the game in a while. But that aside, you usually only get two reply options. Taking only the logical part because you don't feel like funny, pretty much puts you on rails. It's also that the writers haven't made provisions for different replies to different responses. Mostly the reply is the exact same wether you choose casual/emotional or logical. Emotional was top left and Casual was bottom left. Logical was top right and Professional bottom right. Sometimes you didn't have the full range of options, but most times you did.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:24:37 GMT
You really need higher standards. That's all you can say after he explained his reasoning? Fyi, I did actually read through this, and I agree with certain points, but the title is enough to warrant this response.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:25:53 GMT
If that's what you perceive as a "character attack", then I don't know how you get by in the real world. Do you get offended by everything? What I meant was that while liking certain types of writing is subjective, quality of writing is not. Thus, higher standards. Or are you trying to tell me that Adam Sandler movies are comparable to Citizen Kane? A. That is a character attack by definition. Rather amusing how it is followed up with another character attack in the form of "you're a special snowflake!!!1" B. I am no movie buff so that reference is out of my ball game, like you and firearms, for example. A. Where exactly did I call you a snowflake? I meant what I said. Getting offended by every little thing is not good for you. B. Okay.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 19:26:59 GMT
That's all you can say after he explained his reasoning? Fyi, I did actually read through this, and I agree with certain points, but the title is enough to warrant this response. And you need to understand that people's standards are different. What's good for you can be found bad for others.
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Post by Serza on Jul 9, 2017 19:27:16 GMT
Jokes on you. Preferring an HK416/MR556 over any other AR-15 equals high standarts. Not to mention fucking AKs. If your standarts are through the roof, yes, you'll probably be getting an AK. What? Exactly.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:28:39 GMT
Now that we are talking about standards again. I just think i have different standards. At least then some people. I can like grim dark stories like the witcher, bsg, or GOT every bit as much as Andromeda.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Jul 9, 2017 19:29:57 GMT
...We've got six pages so far about something that's entirely subjective, don't we?
Well, that's the same as waifu wars (Garrus for life), so I'm not shocked.
Personally, I feel like Andromeda was middle of the line as far as Bioware games go. The overall plot was quite good, some of the beats worked quite well, some of them fell flat, there's some great moments and characters, there's times where I want to shake Vetra and yell "SAY SOMETHING INTERESTING GODDAMNIT I LIKE YOU ALREADY BUT PLEASE HAVE SOME SPARKLE", and there's a few hiccups (Only a pathfinder can save us! ...Really? Have you considered using Cora's magic dirt converter and patience yes I know you can't but omigawd nexus leaders get it together).
But there's no line as bad as "You're just a machine! And machines can be broken!", and nothing quite so contrived as "Hey, let's jam everyone in this very small shuttle while the ship's integrating systems, yes this is a lovely idea" so I love it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:30:03 GMT
A. That is a character attack by definition. Rather amusing how it is followed up with another character attack in the form of "you're a special snowflake!!!1" B. I am no movie buff so that reference is out of my ball game, like you and firearms, for example. A. Where exactly did I call you a snowflake? I meant what I said. Getting offended by every little thing is not good for you. B. Okay. You said, and I quote: "Do you get offended by everything?" which is the same thing as calling someone a special snowflake or thin skinned, etc. Assuming that you in anyway offended is actually hilarious. I'm just pointing out your logical fallacy and it is one you make consistently. I do this because it automatically derails your own argument and is a massive no-no in debate.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:32:21 GMT
Fyi, I did actually read through this, and I agree with certain points, but the title is enough to warrant this response. And you need to understand that people's standards are different. What's good for you can be found bad for others. I acknowledge that. As I said before, people are completely free to like whatever they want. But judging the quality of something based on how much you like it is not objective at all. I can proclaim that Ride To Hell: Retribution is the best game ever, and I am free to hold that opinion, but not many people would probably agree with me, right? Because objectively, it is not a good game. I thought that this was an objective discussion, but I suppose that is not the case.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:35:02 GMT
And you need to understand that people's standards are different. What's good for you can be found bad for others. I acknowledge that. As I said before, people are completely free to like whatever they want. But judging the quality of something based on how much you like it is not objective at all. I can proclaim that Ride To Hell: Retribution is the best game ever, and I am free to hold that opinion, but not many people would probably agree with me, right? Because objectively, it is not a good game. I thought that this was an objective discussion, but I suppose that is not the case. you can't have an objective conversation when talking about entertainment.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 9, 2017 19:35:13 GMT
Originally Ash/Kaidan would be manipulated by Kai Leng. It'd end at the temple where you could only save the Virmire survivor or Liara. I never knew this. Holy sh*t. Heh. That would mean I would have seen two of my LI's die, since I usually romance Thane, Liara or Kaidan. Thank god they removed it. Thanks for the info! Yeah I remember some early trailer showing even Miranda on Thesia.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:35:33 GMT
A. Where exactly did I call you a snowflake? I meant what I said. Getting offended by every little thing is not good for you. B. Okay. You said, and I quote: "Do you get offended by everything?" which is the same thing as calling someone a special snowflake or thin skinned, etc. Assuming that you in anyway offended is actually hilarious. I'm just pointing out your logical fallacy and it is one you make consistently. I do this because it automatically derails your own argument and is a massive no-no in debate. No, it's not. It was a rhetorical question, look it up. The fact that you point out my "logical fallacies" and then claim something like this is quite ironic as well, tbh.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 9, 2017 19:35:54 GMT
I love Mass Effect Andromeda, and in some ways enjoy it more than ME1, but it can be considerably shaky here and there. But beyond the writing where I had some serious issues was with the NPC voice acting. They're never universally outstanding in the previous games, but some are noticeably terrible here. That being said, I like the Archon much more than I do Saren. I always thought Saren was corny as fuck. Honestly, despite Benezia's cheesy ass delivery in her death scene, I think I would have preferred her being Sovereign's sub-baddie over proto-Marauder. The problem with Saren is that for all his build up as this ruthless tough as nails rouge Specter, he's actually just a glorified henchman, hell Saren basically even admits to this on Virmire and he's barely even in the game, but in game Saren is a 2D character with hatred for humans and worked with Anderson on a mission that got Anderson barred from becoming a Specter and that is all we know about him in game. If you want all the details you have to read Mass Effect: Revelation prose novel and Mass Effect: Evolution comic book mini-series then MAYBE he becomes a slightly more complex character. Sure the Archon is a 2D villain but he explain his reasons why he's doing it's because he wants to exalt the whole cluster and those that he can't or don't want to he will kill. He's got a goal and he moves the plot along which is what a villain is supposed to do.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:36:14 GMT
I acknowledge that. As I said before, people are completely free to like whatever they want. But judging the quality of something based on how much you like it is not objective at all. I can proclaim that Ride To Hell: Retribution is the best game ever, and I am free to hold that opinion, but not many people would probably agree with me, right? Because objectively, it is not a good game. I thought that this was an objective discussion, but I suppose that is not the case. you can't have an objective conversation when talking about entertainment. Okay, so why are we here in the first place? What is the point of this thread?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 9, 2017 19:36:36 GMT
Any game where writing like this isn't immediately thrown in the trash, and worse yet, somehow makes it into final release...isn't good. What exactly is wrong with that scene?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:38:38 GMT
You said, and I quote: "Do you get offended by everything?" which is the same thing as calling someone a special snowflake or thin skinned, etc. Assuming that you in anyway offended is actually hilarious. I'm just pointing out your logical fallacy and it is one you make consistently. I do this because it automatically derails your own argument and is a massive no-no in debate. No, it's not. It was a rhetorical question, look it up. The fact that you point out my "logical fallacies" and then claim something like this is quite ironic as well, tbh. Hey, start damage control and begin moving the goal posts, I don't really care, but if you expect people to just let flippant bullshit fly, then you haven't internet-ed enough.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 19:38:59 GMT
you can't have an objective conversation when talking about entertainment. Okay, so why are we here in the first place? What is the point of this thread? Look at the op and there's your answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:40:14 GMT
Any game where writing like this isn't immediately thrown in the trash, and worse yet, somehow makes it into final release...isn't good. What exactly is wrong with that scene? Like any BioWare game, facial animations for the human/human-like characters aren't all that great, but besides that, I would say nothing. *cough* *cough* cherry-picked before any patches to boot *cough* *cough*
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 9, 2017 19:42:52 GMT
What exactly is wrong with that scene? Like any BioWare game, facial animations for the human/human-like characters aren't all that great, but besides that, I would say nothing. Yeah that was pre patch, but yeah I don't see anything wrong.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 19:43:59 GMT
you can't have an objective conversation when talking about entertainment. Okay, so why are we here in the first place? What is the point of this thread? two fold. One to demonstrate a favoured concept in writing that i like and two to get people to hopefully see Andromeda in a new light. Give it a second chance before the inevitable dlc hits.
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Post by Melcara on Jul 9, 2017 19:45:00 GMT
No, it's not. It was a rhetorical question, look it up. The fact that you point out my "logical fallacies" and then claim something like this is quite ironic as well, tbh. Hey, start damage control and begin moving the goal posts, I don't really care, but if you expect people to just let flippant bullshit fly, then you haven't internet-ed enough. Isn't something like this also a huge no-no in a debate? No hard feelings here, btw. This all started because I said that the OP needed to have higher standards if they think that Andromeda is well written, which you called a "sophomoric character attack", despite the fact that it wasn't meant as an "attack" on the OP's person at all. You made this personal for some reason, which I didn't mean to. Just so you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
Hey, start damage control and begin moving the goal posts, I don't really care, but if you expect people to just let flippant bullshit fly, then you haven't internet-ed enough. Isn't something like this also a huge no-no in a debate? No hard feelings here, btw. This all started because I said that the OP needed to have higher standards if they think that Andromeda is well written, which you called a "sophomoric character attack", despite the fact that it wasn't meant as an "attack" on the OP's person at all. You made this personal for some reason, which I didn't mean to. Just so you know.
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