The biggest problem with Mass Effect's dialogue

Well if you ignore entire thread's discussion Andrew Lucas then sure, we are all close minded here.

But you are. I have read the entire bs and all I see is the same people shitting over any negative insight, even if they can be valid, finding the lamest excuses to do so. Typical.

I won't speak for von uber but I hold many of the same opinions, so I'll answer that from my perspective. It appears that Suikoden is Jason Schreier. There's little evidence that he isn't and a ton of evidence that he is. (Suikoden being Schreier's favorite game and me continually calling him "Jason" and him never refuting it.) So the problem is that Jason is a gaming journalist, he has a platform, he has an audience, and he hasn't played the game. His opinion shouldn't be taken seriously because, even if he isn't Jason Schreier, he's throwing around opinions without having full knowledge, and that's not only bad journalism, it's a severely under-informed opinion.

While I knew that gaming journalism is mostly a cesspool, I'm now wondering how deep it is. Do the journalists who offer opinions actually play the games they're writing about, or are they just riding the wave of whatever the loudest voice are saying? Because if all the writers are just doing that, it inflames players, it may kill the franchise, and that's unfair to everyone involved. Except for the writers who get clicks.

Yes, there are issues with the dialogue, and no one will ever agree on an appropriate time to make a joke, but that's all subjective. Can the writing the be objectively better? Yes. But I also want to discuss this with people who've played the game and done something other than toss the controller aside after a few hours.

I think the problem with the posts offering negative "insight" is that, for one, it is very subjective.  Some people liked the dialogue, some people didn't.  It's not intrinsically bad or good, just different strokes for different folks.  

The other MAJOR issue with the negative "insight" offered is that others will post their opinion, and much of it will be that they enjoyed the game, gameplay was good, graphics were good, dialogue was good, whatever.  They offer their positive experience when an OP or other poster puts a game aspect in negative light.  Then the OP or other people who feel the game was bad feel it is there job to argue that point over and over and over to try to convince someone that something they enjoyed was, in fact, trash and should NOT have been enjoyed.  Like I don't know the game I played at don't understand my emotions and whatnot enough to know if I enjoyed the game?  If I thought it was good?  My opinion on if I like the game is wrong because YOU have a problem with dialogue or downgrades or tone or glitches or whatever?  

That's the main issue on the forums today as I see it.  It's many people offering positive opinions, and then the "Hate Squad" jumping in and telling everyone that they were wrong to enjoy the game, that the game was actually bad and that the people who enjoyed it are stupid or don't know what a good game is or don't understand how a good game is supposed to be.  Well f*** anyone who tries to tell me that I shouldn't have enjoyed something that I like.  Don't like pineapple on your pizza?  I don't care.  I like it.  Don't try to tell me it's awful because I think it's delicious.  Don't like bacon on your donut?  Why the f*** do I care?  Bacon on donuts is great and I think it's awesome.  You didn't like the Ghost Rider movie?  Fine!  I did, so you won't convince me that the thing I enjoyed was actually not worth enjoying.

If your plan is to argue with people's subjective opinions because you feel like your subjective opinion is better than mine, then that just makes anyone doing that an asshole.  I don't go on other game forums and try to convince people that Skyrim is bad because I didn't like it.  I let people who enjoy Skyrim enjoy it, because why should I try to make them feel differently?

I'm all for healthy criticism.  In my post in this section I offered my criticism of the game dialogue.  I know in the game there were glitches, many of the quests are fetchy, and companion relationships aren't really on par with the OT (although that was a trilogy remember).  MEA at launch had some glaring issues.  It still has issues.  However, many people enjoy it, a lot of the problems with glitches and whatnot have been fixed, and for people who didn't enjoy it, they just need to move on.  Let it go.  Let the people who enjoyed the game enjoy it.  Stop offering up your hate like it's the only correct opinion, and go play a game you actually enjoy.  Go post on that game's forum about how you love Horizon Zero Dawn or The Witcher 3.  Share your love of things, make happy posts, instead of always shitting on everyone's positive opinion of a game.  

You may feel strongly that you are right in your opinion, but opinions are like assholes.  Everyone has one, and they all stink.  

I don't know how to get rid of that blue bar, but anyway--I imagine that if you have the potential of getting shot all the time-you'll have to lighten the mood somewhat or otherwise you'll go insane. Granted I've never been in this situation and hope to god I never have to-but I see no problem with a couple of jokes here and there when your getting shot all the time. lol that was amazing- kind of reminds of Battlefield Bad Company 2 banter. It'd would easily fit well with there discussions-while "off duty". 





  

So, your problem is negative posts from people who don't like the game, and how some try to make their view as fact? Funny how the other faction do the same thing around here, this thread is another proof. You can't have a discussion over the topic's theme, you're too busy smashing heads than actually using brains. That's what happens. A dick contest all the time. Can't you all just talk about the writing and whatnot instead of choosing a side?

Okay, first, you need to calm down. Second, I haven't been debating any of this because a ) I enjoy the game and b ) I am not qualified to talk about the writing. Third, don't tell me what I "should be" focused on. That's not up to you. I "should be" focused on setting up an outpost on Elaaden but here I am, responding to your childish outburst. Fourth, I haven't belittled or criticized anyone. Fifth, it is not "my beloved game." That title is reserved for Neverwinter Nights 2 (fight me), thankyouverymuch. Sixth, I have not claimed "conspiracy." I have claimed poor journalism.

Goddamn is right.

Do you have me confused with a different poster, because I'm not going to argue with you about claims I haven't made.

I have a feeling that people who really dislike the dialogue are an absolute joy at parties.

*cough*.

No.

Hate Buffy too (that's some old stuff though), love sitcoms, hate Adam Sandler, love Monty Python.

Now what?

Sure when it's not coming from Mr myopic there who hasn't even bought the game.
ME:A has its faults no question, what it isn't is a complete load of garbage as is generally intimated.
For example a lot of the side quests fall really flat for me, I can hardly remember most of them.

Nothing. Other than the dialogue obviously sitting well with you and not with me.