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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 16:31:39 GMT
Mass Effect as a whole had a lot of cringeworthy lines. I still remember Shepard's creepy: "Who said anything about love? I'm just trying to get you in bed?" To Miranda and that's a Paragon option! And the unforgettable (no matter how hard you try), "You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!"
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Post by Moleman on Jul 9, 2017 16:43:50 GMT
Frankly I never felt like the Initiative was in any sort of trouble throughout the entire game. I mean, aside from a few minutes when you get to the Nexus, but then they plug your ship in and everything is solved instantly. They had no colonies and almost 0 resources, but our mere presence solved everything. What kind of supplies did a sleeper ship even have? Enough for itself AND a 7km space station? What? This... lack is shown in dialogue as well. We're fighting an interstellar war and apparently we can hold our own with no armed ships, outpost defenses or supplies of any kind. Why be serious when nothing around you is? Honestly, the dialogue is spot on. Oh, our AI is shut down and one of our ships was stolen? No worries, our pathfinder can now control an entire fleet of remnant ships all by himself/herself. Hahahahahahahah see ya at the bar bro
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 17:01:43 GMT
Frankly I never felt like the Initiative was in any sort of trouble throughout the entire game. I mean, aside from a few minutes when you get to the Nexus, but then they plug your ship in and everything is solved instantly. They had no colonies and almost 0 resources, but our mere presence solved everything. What kind of supplies did a sleeper ship even have? Enough for itself AND a 7km space station? What? This... lack is shown in dialogue as well. We're fighting an interstellar war and apparently we can hold our own with no armed ships, outpost defenses or supplies of any kind. Why be serious when nothing around you is? Honestly, the dialogue is spot on. Oh, our AI is shut down and one of our ships was stolen? No worries, our pathfinder can now control an entire fleet of remnant ships all by himself/herself. Hahahahahahahah see ya at the bar bro
I think that bolded part could have been partially solved by having systems come online in stages. Hyperion means that Operations gets power, and then the Docking Bay gradually gets populated as more arks connect with the Nexus. And they did have weapons; they had an armory that was broken into during the uprising. It would be kind of silly to travel that far, without knowing much about what you're getting into, without taking some kind of defenses. And I'm not sure what you're seeing, but every outpost has turrets, so there are defenses.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 9, 2017 17:35:59 GMT
The writing got a tad inconsitent at times, and certainly the tone was sometimes to blame for that. In general, though, I liked it, but I can see why people may not, it's a big change from the Trilogy after all. Very much that. I hesitate to get involved in any conversation on how good writing in a given game is as its a bit of a redundant argument, people tend to like or dislike it and there isn't really much more to say. However, I will say that I found MEA's dialogue inconsistent rather than good or bad. Some scenes were just not quite ironed out, or felt like they'd been adapted into scenes they hadn't been intended for. Having said that, I don't get the whole thing about comparison to buffy. Tbh I found the tone very similar to Firefly. Male Ryder strongly reminded me of Mal Reynolds. Wrong Whedon project, I guess. I can see the argument that BW Montreal didn't have the talent to actually bring this kind of dialogue off. It's tricky.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 9, 2017 17:38:14 GMT
Mass Effect as a whole had a lot of cringeworthy lines. I still remember Shepard's creepy: "Who said anything about love? I'm just trying to get you in bed?" To Miranda and that's a Paragon option! I guess it's Paragon because it's so honest.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 17:39:23 GMT
Any way I kinda feel there's a double standard hurled towards ME: A when it comes to dialogue. The MET dialogue wasn't really that good especially compared to Dragon Age.
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Post by imarune on Jul 9, 2017 17:44:08 GMT
Pourquoi se fatiguer à répondre? Suikoden, Ste100 et Moleman habitent visiblement dans le même logement sous le même pont?
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jul 9, 2017 17:49:09 GMT
I prefer Dragon Age 2 dialogue tbqh
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Post by malgus on Jul 9, 2017 17:56:44 GMT
Any way I kinda feel there's a double standard hurled towards ME: A when it comes to dialogue. The MET dialogue wasn't really that good especially compared to Dragon Age. Not just on dialogue, Remember the shitty side quest of the first mass effect, where you just go out on random planets, do a side quest where sometime the action of shepard where explain in a text box instead of being shown. Picking up turian badges or asari symbol were certainly not interesting either. The envinronments whatever from the outside and the inside were highly repetitive. Or the super side quest of mass effect 2, when sometime there was no narration for some of them on the random planets, some of them were explained in an email send to you before, and the results and consequences where also explain in a e mail. I remember the blue sun side quest, when you go on the planet, you only saw one blue sun seeing your shuttle coming, goes back to the base and then it ends. No dialogue whatsoever, you just clean the base, pressed a button and that was it. Yet many people love to claim that mass effect andromeda do the side quest the worst way... Meeting the elder of the angara religion, the power play between krogan clans on elaaden, the gang wars between sloane kelly and the collective, confronting the angara AI, the criminal investigation on both eladen or Eos, the first human birth of Andromeda etc., I mean Those side quest were quite interesting. Now don't get me wrong there is some bad side quest like scanning minerals or bodies, but most of them can easily be avoided and are separated in the files "task", but Andromeda has some memorable side quest. For the first and second mass effect, the second you were outside companion quest or main planet, you were there for a long list of boring secondary quest, especially for ME 2.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 18:13:44 GMT
Seriously youngyea can be very biased. Especially when it comes to Kojima.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 9, 2017 18:15:32 GMT
Any way I kinda feel there's a double standard hurled towards ME: A when it comes to dialogue. The MET dialogue wasn't really that good especially compared to Dragon Age. Not just on dialogue, Remember the shitty side quest of the first mass effect, where you just go out on random planets, do a side quest where sometime the action of shepard where explain in a text box instead of being shown. Picking up turian badges or asari symbol were certainly not interesting either. The envinronments whatever from the outside and the inside were highly repetitive. Or the super side quest of mass effect 2, when sometime there was no narration for some of them on the random planets, some of them were explained in an email send to you before, and the results and consequences where also explain in a e mail. I remember the blue sun side quest, when you go on the planet, you only saw one blue sun seeing your shuttle coming, goes back to the base and then it ends. No dialogue whatsoever, you just clean the base, pressed a button and that was it. Yet many people love to claim that mass effect andromeda do the side quest the worst way... Meeting the elder of the angara religion, the power play between krogan clans on elaaden, the gang wars between sloane kelly and the collective, confronting the angara AI, the criminal investigation on both eladen or Eos, the first human birth of Andromeda etc., I mean Those side quest were quite interesting. Now don't get me wrong there is some bad side quest like scanning minerals or bodies, but most of them can easily be avoided and are separated in the files "task", but Andromeda has some memorable side quest. For the first and second mass effect, the second you were outside companion quest or main planet, you were there for a long list of boring secondary quest, especially for ME 2. Definitely all this. MEA doesn't get a free pass on it's quest design - some of them are frankly just too rushed - but tbh the only real issue with MEA's quests were the interference with pacing that occurred. I can see the argument that MEA got its balance between sidequests and main quest missions wrong, but in terms of the actual quests in of themselves there were significantly better than most of the MET's sidequest design, and I've no idea wtf people are talking about when they point to the Trilogy as an example of how to do it.
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Post by warrior on Jul 9, 2017 18:17:25 GMT
Of course the MET had its fair share of cringeworthy lines -- some that even required reloading to pick a different option -- but we're talking about %. And not just % of cringe, but % of strong dialogue to make you forget about it.
Also, there was a lot of joking during MET, including during battles ("there goes the next Shadowbroker!" Shep quips to Liara on Sur'Kesh after the yahg kills the Cerbs). Not sure if this was the thread where someone mentioned military humor, but it is in there fairly often, despite the games' overall more serious tone and dialogues... though Shep definitely jokes the least, it usually comes from the party.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 9, 2017 18:25:00 GMT
Honestly, vonuber, I think you're fine and all, but do you even listen to any MEA criticism at all? Sure when it's not coming from Mr myopic there who hasn't even bought the game. ME:A has its faults no question, what it isn't is a complete load of garbage as is generally intimated. For example a lot of the side quests fall really flat for me, I can hardly remember most of them. I just see you posting your gifs to people who point out any type of criticism. Also, you don't even need to fully play MEA to know there's a lot of issues, a simple YouTube search can show that. That's why your response to Suidoken was weak. He has a point regardless.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 18:27:01 GMT
Sure when it's not coming from Mr myopic there who hasn't even bought the game. ME:A has its faults no question, what it isn't is a complete load of garbage as is generally intimated. For example a lot of the side quests fall really flat for me, I can hardly remember most of them. I just see you posting your gifs to people who point out any type of criticism. Also, you don't even need to fully play MEA to know there's a lot of issues, a simple YouTube search can show that. That's why your response to Suidoken was weak. He has a point regardless. His points are very weak which is why they're usually not worth engaging seriously.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 9, 2017 18:28:10 GMT
Of course the MET had its fair share of cringeworthy lines -- some that even required reloading to pick a different option -- but we're talking about %. And not just % of cringe, but % of strong dialogue to make you forget about it. Also, there was a lot of joking during MET, including during battles ("there goes the next Shadowbroker!" Shep quips to Liara on Sur'Kesh after the yahg kills the Cerbs). Not sure if this was the thread where someone mentioned military humor, but it is in there fairly often, despite the games' overall more serious tone and dialogues... though Shep definitely jokes the least, it usually comes from the party. Pretty much. I can't recall a quote from MEA, despite the "I will fuck your shit up", something like that. Or else I have to think harder. The writing overall is just there, not memorable. ME had it's share of bad lines, but in compensation, the good one are miles ahead of anything MEA has to offer, that's the trilogy overall - basically.
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Post by samhain444 on Jul 9, 2017 18:28:49 GMT
I'll finish your poll once you finish the game
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 9, 2017 18:29:21 GMT
Pourquoi se fatiguer à répondre? Suikoden, Ste100 et Moleman habitent visiblement dans le même logement sous le même pont? Il est très intéressant.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 9, 2017 18:29:30 GMT
I just see you posting your gifs to people who point out any type of criticism. Also, you don't even need to fully play MEA to know there's a lot of issues, a simple YouTube search can show that. That's why your response to Suidoken was weak. He has a point regardless. His points are very weak which is why they're usually not worth engaging seriously. Except it wasn't here. Again, you can only see what walks along your interests. Heck, Suidoken is an ass, but I gotta admit when he's right. You clearly can't.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 18:30:57 GMT
His points are very weak which is why they're usually not worth engaging seriously. Except it wasn't here. Again, you can only see what walks along your interests. Heck, Suidoken is an ass, but I gotta admit when he's right. You clearly can't. I just don't agree with him when it comes to dialogue (and the game in general.)
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 9, 2017 18:31:01 GMT
Mass Effect as a whole had a lot of cringeworthy lines. I still remember Shepard's creepy: "Who said anything about love? I'm just trying to get you in bed?" To Miranda and that's a Paragon option! All 3 OT games got less cringeworthy lines than 1 MEA.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 9, 2017 18:32:20 GMT
Mass Effect as a whole had a lot of cringeworthy lines. I still remember Shepard's creepy: "Who said anything about love? I'm just trying to get you in bed?" To Miranda and that's a Paragon option! All 3 OT games got less cringeworthy lines than 1 MEA. Eh they wet about the same.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2017 18:36:05 GMT
Of course the MET had its fair share of cringeworthy lines -- some that even required reloading to pick a different option -- but we're talking about %. And not just % of cringe, but % of strong dialogue to make you forget about it. Also, there was a lot of joking during MET, including during battles ("there goes the next Shadowbroker!" Shep quips to Liara on Sur'Kesh after the yahg kills the Cerbs). Not sure if this was the thread where someone mentioned military humor, but it is in there fairly often, despite the games' overall more serious tone and dialogues... though Shep definitely jokes the least, it usually comes from the party. Pretty much. I can't recall a quote from MEA, despite the "I will fuck your shit up", something like that. Or else I have to think harder. The writing overall is just there, not memorable. ME had it's share of bad lines, but in compensation, the good one are miles ahead of anything MEA has to offer, that's the trilogy overall - basically. how many lines can you remember from the OT? I mean it could b just be my shitty.memory talking but i do not judge a game based on how well i remember the dialogue.
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Post by malgus on Jul 9, 2017 18:47:02 GMT
Definitely all this. MEA doesn't get a free pass on it's quest design - some of them are frankly just too rushed - but tbh the only real issue with MEA's quests were the interference with pacing that occurred. I can see the argument that MEA got its balance between sidequests and main quest missions wrong, but in terms of the actual quests in of themselves there were significantly better than most of the MET's sidequest design, and I've no idea wtf people are talking about when they point to the Trilogy as an example of how to do it. Well one of the reason is that the side quest of the first two mass effect were so badly implemented that the only way to experience them was to force yourself to go into other systems that were not necessary to the main quest. So since you have to force your hand into going into the other systems, most people did not bother and therefore never experienced them. So they suddenly think those shitty quest did not exist, but they fucking did... I know because during my first playthrought of the first mass effect, I did not experience these side quest because I did not bother with them so I stayed only on the main planets, Its only after tons of playthrought that I decided to do everything and then I realised that I should never leave a main planet. Because the second I did, it became way too much boring. But the flaws were there in the previous trilogy, they were even worse than in MEA but a lot of people love to have their grip on nostalgia. The problem I have are the people telling me "bad side quest designs is one of the reson why I disliked MEA" Ok MEA does not have a perfect score in side quest, some of them are bad, but just after that they says that they liked the previous trilogy... like the MET did it well in this area for some reaons, yeah...
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Post by abaris on Jul 9, 2017 18:47:34 GMT
how many lines can you remember from the OT? I mean it could b just be my shitty.memory talking but i do not judge a game based on how well i remember the dialogue. No, I don't either. But if the dialogue stands out it's for two reasons. Either for being espcially good or cringeworthy bad. In MEAs case I remember certain lines for the latter. Granted it's only two months since I played it, but the "I didn't say meeting adjourned" or "and didn't get killed" or the Voeld cold jokes are still very vivid in my mind. I'm pretty sure I didn't remember any lines of ME1, since they didn't stand out one way or the other.
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