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Post by Warrior DM on Jul 9, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
In Inquisition, a good deal of Morrigan's motivations were revealed. She wants to preserve the ancient magics of the world, by any means necessary. She'll go so far as to give birth to an Old God, and drink from the Well of Sorrows. Solas on the other hand, intends to wipe everything away, because he believes that the entire world is a mistake.
So does this mean that in the next game, we'll have to choose sides between Morrigan (Preserve the world) and Solas (Wipe away the world)? This is something I thought about as Solas and Morrigan argued in the Temple of Mythal, and the possible conflict in the future.
One aspect to consider is if Solas will be able to control either the Inquisitor or Morrigan, depending on who drank from the Well. This decision would likely have an effect on whether the world is preserved or wiped away, if I'm correct. (And would likely be the final decision of the next game)
In this scenario, would you side with Morrigan or Solas?
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Post by tacsear on Jul 9, 2017 22:22:02 GMT
3rd option: I don't think Morrigan will play a big role
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 9, 2017 22:25:47 GMT
Whoever inherits Mythal's soul is the only one who can pose any kind of threat to Solas IMHO. Since that's most likely Morrigan, I do think that she's the one who's going to oppose him. As to whether or not they're going to give us the option to side with Solas, I guess it depends on whether DA4 is going to be the last game in the franchise or not.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 9, 2017 22:43:06 GMT
Hold it, hold it: what makes you think Morrigan would OPPOSE Solas? She's invested in preserving the remnants of the old world. He only wants to destroy the current world so that he can bring back the ancient elves.
Now, I could see Morrigan standing against Solas on the basis that his plan would harm her son and husband, but what if Solas promised they would be safe in the world to come?
At best, I think she'll remain neutral.
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Post by phoray on Jul 9, 2017 23:50:50 GMT
Morrigan is not Yavanna. *fist bumps chest* She's my soul sister. She's got this. And she would totally oppose Solas.
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Jul 9, 2017 23:56:13 GMT
Whoever inherits Mythal's soul is the only one who can pose any kind of threat to Solas IMHO. Since that's most likely Morrigan, I do think that she's the one who's going to oppose him. As to whether or not they're going to give us the option to side with Solas, I guess it depends on whether DA4 is going to be the last game in the franchise or not. I doubt they'll give up that cash cow, though it could happen. But anyway, if the only one who can pose any kind of threat to Solas is the one with Mythal's Soul (which might not even be true, and might be bad news if it was considering that it's not impossible Solas has it now) wouldn't that mean the next PC almost has to be the one to get it?
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 10, 2017 0:14:44 GMT
I can't see Mythal opposing Solas either. They were allies. Flemeth basically let him kill her and drain her power.
I honestly don't know what Mythal's end goal may be. She says it's revenge, but the gods who slew her are locked away. Is there some other force at play here? Is it possible that the Evanuris were themselves pawns of some greater evil?
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Post by themikefest on Jul 10, 2017 0:31:08 GMT
What if the inquisitor drank from the well? Could he/she be a threat to solas?
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Post by thats1evildude on Jul 10, 2017 0:40:06 GMT
What if the inquisitor drank from the well? Could he/she be a threat to solas? Possibly yes and possibly no. I guess that depends on what Mythal wants.
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Post by arvaarad on Jul 10, 2017 1:05:17 GMT
I think it's likelier that Morrigan's role is to take up Mythal's mantle after the apocalypse - an apocalypse that both Mythal and Solas believe is necessary. Like the Chantry's parallels to Christianity, the evanuris/titan storyline threads in elements from Norse mythology. For example: The wolf did not believe them, that they would loose him, until they laid Týr's hand into his mouth as a pledge. But when the Æsir would not loose him, then he bit off the hand at the place now called "the wolf's joint;'" and Týr is one-handed, and is not called a reconciler of men. -Prose Edda In Norse mythology, the great wolf Fenrir* plays a large role in Ragnarök, devouring multiple gods and nearly devouring the entire universe. Luckily Norse apocalypses are followed by rebirth, so he gets stopped before he can destroy everything.** One of the things he devours is the sun, which would have doomed the post-Ragnarök rebirth to darkness... except that the sun has a daughter who survives Ragnarök, and she takes over the job. Othin spake: "Much have I fared, much have I found, Much have I got of the gods: Whence comes the sun to the smooth sky back, When Fenrir has snatched it forth?"
Vafthruthnir spake: "A daughter bright Alfrothul bears Ere Fenrir snatches her forth; Her mother's paths shall the maiden tread When the gods to death have gone." -Poetic Edda --- *along with Loki. In the Dragon Age setting, Solas draws from both of them. Loki and Fenrir are closely associated with each other in the Norse apocalypse, so it makes sense to consolidate them. **he's stopped by a fellow named Víðarr. Obviously Dragon Age draws from many mythologies and won't exactly match any specific influence, so we can only speculate. But in case it comes up, Víðarr is known for having a very large shoe (made of all the leather left over when mortals make shoes), which he uses to kill the wolf, and he's also completely silent. So clearly Solas' downfall will be a saarebas with gigantic leather shoes.
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Post by Debaser on Jul 10, 2017 1:34:07 GMT
I don't see why anyone would side with Solas based on what we know from Trespasser even if you hate/distrust Morrigan she is a better alternative than complete annihilation.
I see DA:4 playing out more as either Solas is bad and dies/fails or you redeem him and he dies anyways. Maybe a hidden third ending where his fate is ambiguous for the Solasmancers out there. I don't think there will be many choices in the matter about siding with or against Solas. It will be like, 'Solas you need to chillout' versus 'Solas I'm going kill you no matter what' type of story.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 10, 2017 10:08:18 GMT
I don't see why anyone would side with Solas based on what we know from Trespasser even if you hate/distrust Morrigan she is a better alternative than complete annihilation. I see DA:4 playing out more as either Solas is bad and dies/fails or you redeem him and he dies anyways. Maybe a hidden third ending where his fate is ambiguous for the Solasmancers out there. I don't think there will be many choices in the matter about siding with or against Solas. It will be like, 'Solas you need to chillout' versus 'Solas I'm going kill you no matter what' type of story. Who know? Solas' experiment may be interesting. Probably a doom, but what about if not? Someone can support simple scientific curiosity ...
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Post by Pokemario on Jul 10, 2017 10:29:28 GMT
I don't see why anyone would side with Solas based on what we know from Trespasser even if you hate/distrust Morrigan she is a better alternative than complete annihilation. I see DA:4 playing out more as either Solas is bad and dies/fails or you redeem him and he dies anyways. Maybe a hidden third ending where his fate is ambiguous for the Solasmancers out there. I don't think there will be many choices in the matter about siding with or against Solas. It will be like, 'Solas you need to chillout' versus 'Solas I'm going kill you no matter what' type of story. Who know? Solas' experiment may be interesting. Probably a doom, but what about if not? Someone can support simple scientific curiosity ... " Simple scientific curiosity" !?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 10, 2017 10:38:30 GMT
Who know? Solas' experiment may be interesting. Probably a doom, but what about if not? Someone can support simple scientific curiosity ... " Simple scientific curiosity" !? What happens, if the veil destroyed... Needed a reason, why the protagonist can support Solas. I just created one... perhaps, not the best, but still a reason.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 10, 2017 11:00:32 GMT
My thoughts: Mythal's got her own agenda, I think she's liable to sneak attack it in during Solas's endgame, probably using whoever drank from the well. As possible well drinker Morrigan will probably turn up, possibly only if she drank from the well. And therefore whether she helps or opposes Solas is dependent on what Mythal wants.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 10, 2017 11:23:09 GMT
Morrigan will never have such a big role in a new game, but for the sake of discussion I'd say she is more likely to support Solas. He only wants to erase the new, not the old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 12:16:59 GMT
Unfortunately, this choice will not be available, but if it were, I'd side with Solas. Even if I get to lose. I would be okay with that if it will finally kills off Morrigan for good. Let her be a hero, I'd gladly take a role of a villain to destroy her and she can save the world through self-sacrifice.
However, if we end up with another small course corrections game, where Morrigan lives through it all, that will be the point where I will not purchase next game. I need an instant gratification of some sort, either a huge cataclysmic event where my character actually shapes the world, or a personal satisfaction of killing a character that's being forced on me endlessly.
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 10, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
In Inquisition, a good deal of Morrigan's motivations were revealed. She wants to preserve the ancient magics of the world, by any means necessary. She'll go so far as to give birth to an Old God, and drink from the Well of Sorrows. Solas on the other hand, intends to wipe everything away, because he believes that the entire world is a mistake. Both of them want to preserve the ancient world. And it's probably not pure coincidence that Morrigan and Solas both support preserving the Old Gods. I'd say they are likely not on opposing sides.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 10, 2017 16:07:53 GMT
I'm by default on the side opposite to Morrigan - so if you ask about a Solas vs. Morrigan showdown, I have to go with Solas. I really wantto be able to get rid of one of the most annoying characters in video gaming for me (and yes, I mean bitchywitch not egghead) - and who knows, Lovecrafts Dreamlands are not so bad (if you stay out of the more obscure areas and be nice to cats), maybe Solas' 'Fadelands' are doable either. So yeah - go Solas Edit: I don't think, that a Morrigan/Solas scenario will happen, so without Morrigan in the picture, I will of course go for saving the world PokemarioIt could be the inquisitor, s/he has a fifty percent chance to drink from the well and probably end up carrying Mythals soul (if Flemythal really is dead). And since on the occasions, where BW just ignored player decisions (killing Leliana or Anders for example), the frustration was big, they hopefully won't make that mistake again. But there could be another possibility: in the end, when Solas attacked Flemeth, she did send something through the eluvian - the cleanest way to solve the 'who has Mythals soul'-dilemma would be for it to be stuck in some bypasser.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 16:36:26 GMT
I'm by default on the side opposite to Morrigan - so if you ask about a Solas vs. Morrigan showdown, I have to go with Solas. I really wantto be able to get rid of one of the most annoying characters in video gaming for me (and yes, I mean bitchywitch not egghead) - and who knows, Lovecrafts Dreamlands are not so bad (if you stay out of the more obscure areas and be nice to cats), maybe Solas' 'Fadelands' are doable either. So yeah - go Solas Edit: I don't think, that a Morrigan/Solas scenario will happen, so without Morrigan in the picture, I will of course go for saving the world Pokemario It could be the inquisitor, s/he has a fifty percent chance to drink from the well and probably end up carrying Mythals soul (if Flemythal really is dead). And since on the occasions, where BW just ignored player decisions (killing Leliana or Anders for example), the frustration was big, they hopefully won't make that mistake again. But there could be another possibility: in the end, when Solas attacked Flemeth, she did send something through the eluvian - the cleanest way to solve the 'who has Mythals soul'-dilemma would be for it to be stuck in some bypasser. They can always neatly tie together the lose ends by having either Inquisitor or Morrigan to bequeath Mythal's soul to the New protagonist in the very beginning of the game. That respects the player's choice, and converges the path.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 10, 2017 16:47:13 GMT
I'm by default on the side opposite to Morrigan - so if you ask about a Solas vs. Morrigan showdown, I have to go with Solas. I really wantto be able to get rid of one of the most annoying characters in video gaming for me (and yes, I mean bitchywitch not egghead) - and who knows, Lovecrafts Dreamlands are not so bad (if you stay out of the more obscure areas and be nice to cats), maybe Solas' 'Fadelands' are doable either. So yeah - go Solas Edit: I don't think, that a Morrigan/Solas scenario will happen, so without Morrigan in the picture, I will of course go for saving the world Pokemario It could be the inquisitor, s/he has a fifty percent chance to drink from the well and probably end up carrying Mythals soul (if Flemythal really is dead). And since on the occasions, where BW just ignored player decisions (killing Leliana or Anders for example), the frustration was big, they hopefully won't make that mistake again. But there could be another possibility: in the end, when Solas attacked Flemeth, she did send something through the eluvian - the cleanest way to solve the 'who has Mythals soul'-dilemma would be for it to be stuck in some bypasser. They can always neatly tie together the lose ends by having either Inquisitor or Morrigan to bequeath Mythal's soul to the New protagonist in the very beginning of the game. That respects the player's choice, and converges the path. That would be another clean solution, I agree. I don't know, if BW wants to go down the 'old god soul' road again, after Bhaalspawn, but it would make sense, if Solas will become a major plot in the next game, because no one wants to have another one fight the final battle for them, I guess
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 16:52:40 GMT
They can always neatly tie together the lose ends by having either Inquisitor or Morrigan to bequeath Mythal's soul to the New protagonist in the very beginning of the game. That respects the player's choice, and converges the path. That would be another clean solution, I agree. I don't know, if BW wants to go down the 'old god soul' road again, after Bhaalspawn, but it would make sense, if Solas will become a major plot in the next game, because no one wants to have another one fight the final battle for them, I guess Well, at least it will imply the equivalence of the protagonist to Solas, something that was really downplayed in Trespasser, and taken away by Morrigan if she drunk the well. A protagonist of Flemeth' epicenes would be grand, seeing we did not really play an epic campaign since ToB, seeing that Shepard was demoted at the start of each game...
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Post by fylimar on Jul 10, 2017 16:56:05 GMT
That would be another clean solution, I agree. I don't know, if BW wants to go down the 'old god soul' road again, after Bhaalspawn, but it would make sense, if Solas will become a major plot in the next game, because no one wants to have another one fight the final battle for them, I guess Well, at least it will imply the equivalence of the protagonist to Solas, something that was really downplayed in Trespasser, and taken away by Morrigan if she drunk the well. A protagonist of Flemeth' epicenes would be grand, seeing we did not really play an epic campaign since ToB, seeing that Shepard was demoted at the start of each game... But sich a protagonist could easily become too powerful to handle. Although I wouldn't mind to be able to change into a dragon ...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 17:00:06 GMT
Well, at least it will imply the equivalence of the protagonist to Solas, something that was really downplayed in Trespasser, and taken away by Morrigan if she drunk the well. A protagonist of Flemeth' epicenes would be grand, seeing we did not really play an epic campaign since ToB, seeing that Shepard was demoted at the start of each game... But sich a protagonist could easily become too powerful to handle. Although I wouldn't mind to be able to change into a dragon ... I am not afraid of power. In fact, I find it silly that we grind patiently through 50+ hours of each game, starting with two basic attacks, save every little drop of leather armor, and then stop the game on a mid-level. Here, we actually have epic enough narrative, for better or worse, so I have no qualms about being able to turn into a dragon or shoot lightening out of my sweet b vs ancient elven demigods and seeing regular mobs topple like a house of cards before me. Seriously, I'd swoop through Hinterlands with pleasure to burn anything that moves down.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jul 10, 2017 17:24:59 GMT
Morrigan wants to restore the "old ways" and all that, but more importantly: "If the Wilds have taught me anything, 'tis this: first you must survive." She doesn't put any goal above survival, so if Fen'Harel's apocalypse required her to lay down her life, she'd absolutely oppose him.
Then there's the idea that Mythal seems essential to Fen'Harel's plans, I wouldn't be surprised if, should Morrigan have drunken from the Well of Sorrows, particularly, she might have a role to play in the whole plan, however, since Flemeth refers to herself during DA2 as a "fly in the ointment", I wouldn't be surprised if she's there as an infiltrator.
Without the Well of Sorrows, though, I don't see Morrigan having much of a role in the next game, however.
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