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Post by jasonpogo on Jul 11, 2017 10:09:06 GMT
This way if and when they make an Andromeda 2 we can get an interesting and likable main character.
Also just in case you missed it this whole topic should be taken tongue in cheek.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 11, 2017 10:24:56 GMT
I'd pay to see it as the reaction on here and reddit alone would be worth the price of admission. Why stop at just Ryder let's have a Suicide mission DLC to the Kett homeworld where we kill off the entire squad along with the kett as well. To quote plinkett: '...and all of 'em die. These are positive changes'.
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Post by Thrombin on Jul 11, 2017 10:26:17 GMT
It would never work in DLC because it would immediately render the rest of the game unplayable as soon as you ran it. It would be DLC you could only run after you'd exhausted the whole game and it would have the effect of making your entire story up to that point largely pointless. Also I hate sad endings.
Killing Ryder in the next installment to concentrate on another protagonist might work but would also be a bad idea for me as one of the main things I like about ME is the ability to continue your character's story with that character's choices across multiple games.
Also I like Ryder's character so I don't agree with the premise anyway.
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Post by Uchimura on Jul 11, 2017 10:27:48 GMT
Choose your "hero": - Liam - / - Cora -
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2017 10:44:34 GMT
It would never work in DLC because it would immediately render the rest of the game unplayable as soon as you ran it. It would be DLC you could only run after you'd exhausted the whole game and it would have the effect of making your entire story up to that point largely pointless. Also I hate sad endings. Killing Ryder in the next installment to concentrate on another protagonist might work but would also be a bad idea for me as one of the main things I like about ME is the ability to continue your character's story with that character's choices across multiple games. Also I like Ryder's character so I don't agree with the premise anyway. yeah plus it worked for Shep due to what they were facing sacrificing themselves so the galaxy can live on somehow. It was also an ending most people expected for Shep or at least I did. Ryder's problem is entirely different they're young and have a lot of living to do. Also I don't see them heading into a situation where they'd have to sacrifice themselves becqause I suspect the DLC's wll revolve around saving the quarian ark and mother and of course dealing with the benefactor. None of which I see being particularly life threatening. Ryder's adventures were designed to be more light and fun not grim and dark like Shep's were. To kill Ryder would mean taking that whole thing away imo.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jul 11, 2017 10:53:05 GMT
Why should they kill Ryder if they want to change MC? Did they state somewhere that ME:A was going to be a story based on a single character like the original trilogy? Maybe they are going to apply the "DA philosophy" to Andromeda. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 11, 2017 10:59:03 GMT
Why should they kill Ryder if they want to change MC? Did they state somewhere that ME:A was going to be a story based on a single character like the original trilogy? Maybe they are going to apply the "DA philosophy" to Andromeda. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised. If they are planning on having a new protagonist and story anyway in a hypothetical next game then why not just tie it all up in a lucrative $20 DLC while there is still some audience left? Scummy business practice sure but it could be entertaining. Better than nothing. Edit: How i'd have Ryder die... gasping for air through a broken helmet whole recording a final message log. It works (see) because it's kinda like poetry. It rhymes. Or possiblly a death scene like Halo: Reach where your helmet (screen) gets increasing broken as you battle endless waves of enemies in a heroic last stand until your last breathe.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 11, 2017 11:00:42 GMT
The idea is actually not unappealing.
Ryder could die as he/she lived: Liam has another great idea. This time, he has leaked top secret AI information to the kett Primus as a confidence building measure. The Primus suggests a meeting somewhere at the ass end of the cluster, which totally looks like a trap, and in a plot twist that surprises everyone, it turns out to be a trap. The Tempest explodes after one last cool oneliner.
"Liam, you id..." *BOOM*
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:05:23 GMT
Nope terrible idea. I want Ryder to mature, grow and become better. Shepard got three games to become well loved. I'm willing to give Ryder more chances. Besides I really don't like DA approach.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2017 11:10:48 GMT
Nope terrible idea. I want Ryder to mature, grow and become better. Shepard got three games to become well loved. I'm willing to give Ryder more chances. Besides I really don't like DA approach. Yeqah DA's approac hwo0rks well for DA I don't see it working quite as well for ME
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Jul 11, 2017 11:11:51 GMT
Maybe I'm weird but I like Ryder and would like to see more character development and future installments with him/her.
Would be great if future events would harden the character and turn him or her more and more into their father Alec, kind of fulfilling the prophecy so to speak.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jul 11, 2017 11:34:47 GMT
Nope terrible idea. I want Ryder to mature, grow and become better. Shepard got three games to become well loved. I'm willing to give Ryder more chances. Besides I really don't like DA approach. Yeqah DA's approac hwo0rks well for DA I don't see it working quite as well for ME "It's the story of a world galaxy, not the tale of a single hero pathfinder!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 11:37:14 GMT
I got about as attached to my Ryder as I did my Hawke, so nope.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Jul 11, 2017 11:39:59 GMT
DLC, oh.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 11, 2017 11:40:35 GMT
It would never work in DLC because it would immediately render the rest of the game unplayable as soon as you ran it. It would be DLC you could only run after you'd exhausted the whole game and it would have the effect of making your entire story up to that point largely pointless. Also I hate sad endings. Killing Ryder in the next installment to concentrate on another protagonist might work but would also be a bad idea for me as one of the main things I like about ME is the ability to continue your character's story with that character's choices across multiple games. Also I like Ryder's character so I don't agree with the premise anyway. Dead Wardens came back in Awakenings.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 11, 2017 11:45:04 GMT
Yeqah DA's approac hwo0rks well for DA I don't see it working quite as well for ME "It's the story of a world galaxy, not the tale of a single hero pathfinder!" maybe but changing protags all the time isn't always the right idea either.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 11, 2017 11:47:46 GMT
If there is another Andromeda game, I would hope Ryder would have just died of old age. I'm wouldn't really be up for another game in the fledgling days of Andromeda. Kick the ball down the road some to where things are more established. It's not even like the Kett were built up to be something unbeatable, where you just can't say the war was hard, but an Initiative and Angaran alliance defeated them. Or just say they never came back.
Move the clock like 100 years or more.
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Post by Felya87 on Jul 11, 2017 11:57:55 GMT
I only like a protagonist death if is avoidable. I usually kill Hawke, but I'm glad I can choose to save her if I so desire. I hate with a passion not having an actual "Shepard is alive" scenario in ME3. If the DLC is post game, and give some good closure, and Ryder death is not mandatory (like, dead or safe, the next story happen in century or so, Ryder can't be there fighting anyway, so who care if she dies young or old?) I'm fine. But I think Ryder have finally, by the end of the game, matured enought to let the player actually (hopefully) develop the character as they want their characters to be (I don't like how preimposted are the Ryders: it'a as bad as Hawke, if not worse. I want to decide myself what personality have my protagonists)
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Post by guanxi on Jul 11, 2017 12:00:09 GMT
Shepard's death didn't work on so many levels because he was written as a heroic character not a flawed tragic hero like Mordin or an Elegiac character like Wrex. Is Ryder a tragic hero? You could argue Ryder's fatal flaw is their inexperience, judgement and like Oedipus their hubris / self-righteousness. It would be most fitting in terms of literary convention if Ryder's over-confidence was their eventual undoing.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 11, 2017 12:02:29 GMT
Nope terrible idea. I want Ryder to mature, grow and become better. Shepard got three games to become well loved. I'm willing to give Ryder more chances. Besides I really don't like DA approach.Same here. I have no complaints about Hawke or the Inquisitor, but I would've preferred continuing Origins. As far as Ryder is concerned... he's just getting his feet. I want more.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 11, 2017 12:19:55 GMT
Shepard's death didn't work on so many levels because he was written as a heroic character not a flawed tragic hero like Mordin or an Elegiac character like Wrex. Is Ryder a tragic hero? You could argue Ryder's fatal flaw is their inexperience, judgement and like Oedipus their hubris / self-righteousness. It would be most fitting in terms of literary convention if Ryder's over-confidence was their eventual undoing. Yea, but Ryder is like Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Episode 4 inexperienced youth that's forced to save the world. If they ever were to kill Ryder- I would prefer they do it at the end of the trilogy. So you can at least see character growth like Ezio in Assassin's Creed or like Luke in Star Wars.
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jul 11, 2017 12:30:11 GMT
"It's the story of a world galaxy, not the tale of a single hero pathfinder!" maybe but changing protags all the time isn't always the right idea either. Both approaches have their pros and cons. As for myself I usually get attached to my characters but not to the point that I need them in any subsequent installation. Like I have already stated elsewhere, what really matters is that they give a satisfying conclusion to their story which does not mean that I have to see them aging or dying. As long as they have exausted their role in the "grande scheme" of things I have no problems in letting them go. In DA both the Warden and Hawke imho had exausted their role as MCs. With the Inquisitor they got themselves in a more troubled position, especially after Trespasser, because his loose ends are somehow more "personal" than Warden and Hawke's. I don't think that The Blight and the Mage/Templar Wars are something that fall under their responsability, nor we should expect them to put an end to those problems. The matter of Solas is slighty different because he is a single individual with all the implications that this could entail. As for Ryder I consider his position to be even more troubled. I don't expect him/her to lead the humanity vs the Ketts, it could be him as well as someone else. But as "The Pathfinder" I expect him to retrieve the remaining arc(s) and to finish his father's business, because otherwise I would feel like he had not fullfilled his role in the story. TL; DR As long as they finished Ryders's story they can do as they please.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 12:32:13 GMT
The idea is actually not unappealing. Ryder could die as he/she lived: Liam has another great idea. This time, he has leaked top secret AI information to the kett Primus as a confidence building measure. The Primus suggests a meeting somewhere at the ass end of the cluster, which totally looks like a trap, and in a plot twist that surprises everyone, it turns out to be a trap. The Tempest explodes after one last cool oneliner. "Liam, you id..." *BOOM* Genius.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 12:33:19 GMT
The wicked side of me would love Ryder to die, perhaps in a daft way like falling over when putting her trousers on and hitting her head on a desk. The internet tears would be glorious.
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Post by guanxi on Jul 11, 2017 12:34:36 GMT
Shepard's death didn't work on so many levels because he was written as a heroic character not a flawed tragic hero like Mordin or an Elegiac character like Wrex. Is Ryder a tragic hero? You could argue Ryder's fatal flaw is their inexperience, judgement and like Oedipus their hubris / self-righteousness. It would be most fitting in terms of literary convention if Ryder's over-confidence was their eventual undoing. Yea, but Ryder is like Luke Skywalker at the beginning of Episode 4 inexperienced youth that's forced to save the world. If they ever were to kill Ryder- I would prefer they do it at the end of the trilogy. So you can at least see character growth like Ezio in Assassin's Creed or like Luke in Star Wars. I don't see Ryder getting another game to be honest as Andromeda is a toxic brand. He doesn't have to die in any dlc wrap-up but like Luke he has to overcome real hardship and adversity for the audience to connect with him. It's damn hard to do that when everything is a quippy joke with a punchline. Luke lost his hand due to his naivety. Ryder's dad died for him and handed him the keys to the kingdom I didn't feel anything. Sister in a coma and I still didn't care. Perhaps death is not an option as i'm not sure heroic death works if you fundamentally don't care about a character. In order to turn Andromeda into a successful series like the Ezio trilogy with Ryder it would take a minor miracle.
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