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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 20:31:45 GMT
He's not wrong, lmao. Of course BioWare had DLC in mind before the reception, we shall just wait now, and hopefully, there will be. Nothing is certain, however he is making an assumption and stating it as fact which is wrong. Nope didn't state any assumptions as fact - merely presented additional potential options.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 12, 2017 21:06:05 GMT
People keep saying EA will release DLC because it's money, but there's no guarantee here. EA obviously has data they're looking at which we're not privy too. But if it's me I'm looking at some basic things.
1) Sales post launch week. The preorders and first few days of sales were done off the popularity of the original trilogy. If the sales stayed steady in line with previous ME/Bioware games then yes, you would say DLC is viable. However, if the sales fell off the table and have been decreasing every week/month since then you have to look at the effect of word of mouth, reviews, etc on the long term viability of the game because there's no guarantee all those people who bought it early will come back for DLC.
2) Percentage of people who completed the game compared to previous titles, especially your more popular titles that had a lot of DLC.
3) Percentage of people who completed the game multiple times compared to previous titles, especially your more popular titles that had a lot of DLC.
4) If possible to see in Origin, the last time the game was played. If a lot of people are still playing the game then you would feel comfortable putting out DLC. If there is a large number of people who haven't played the game since April of May, then you're more leery about putting out DLC. Because if these people haven't even come back to check out the game post patches, they probably aren't going to come back for DLC.
If this data looks good, by all means you release DLC. If not, then you run the risk of not being successful releasing DLC. It's not as simple as we want money, so we'll put out this DLC and it's guaranteed to get us some.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 12, 2017 21:09:30 GMT
I like it, too. There was some disappointing stuff that has kept me away for a while but I expect that I'll eventually just accept it and start playing again. If we actually get DLC, I will 100% go back to playing. I'd also be on board with MEA2.
It's not my favorite of the ME games. We all know the flaws so there's no point listing them. Some I agree with some not. I figure BioWare will have received the message loud and clear and make sure not to repeat these errors. Still, it's fun. I truly love Ryder as a character. This is definitely lighter in tone than any ME game to date. I wonder if positive feedback from Citadel DLC contributed to that idea, or if it's just that we're meant to be seeing bright, optimistic explorers setting out so colonize a new frontier - hence, they're generally happier, despite the bad stuff that went down in the uprising. Most people never witnessed that anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 21:12:21 GMT
The data you mention is important, but the other big thing is how much was already done for it, so what it would cost them to prep it for release.
This decision is not for us to make, our decision is more simple. To buy or not to buy the product when & if made available. That's the only thing within each individual player's control.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 21:15:26 GMT
The data you mention is important, but the other big thing is how much was already done for it, so what it would cost them to prep it for release. This decision is not for us to make, our decision is more simple. To buy or not to buy the product when & if made available. That's the only thing within each individual player's control. Based on the shape of the game on release, do you think they had a ton of DLC prepared beforehand? I doubt it - they were probably scrambling just to get the base game playable.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 12, 2017 21:22:48 GMT
My point was that they won't not release a planned dlc. They like money too much. Two other options: 1) The cost to make single player DLC might be too high to warrant its release based on active player numbers only they have. Seeing the incomplete state Andromeda was in at release, I doubt they had much of any DLC in production or ready to go. 2) The revisitation of online ridicule and mockery when they've just introduced Anthem might sway them to sweep Andromeda under the rug and focus on looking forward towards the positives. I don't think active player numbers necessarily dictate SP DLC. I imagine HZD active player numbers are way down from launch (that's just how SP games work), but they announced DLC based on sale numbers and gauged interest. Now if you said based on MEA sale numbers they might have changed plans, that might be truer (I still think MEA sold well), but I don't think SP DLC is based on active player numbers.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 12, 2017 21:40:31 GMT
The main thing here is sales. If it sold enough, (It did) player interest high ( it is) then it will happen.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 21:50:04 GMT
The main thing here is sales. If it sold enough, (It did) player interest high ( it is) then it will happen. You're pulling a colfoley and presenting something as fact you have no knowledge about... and where is this player interest gauge? I'd like to see it in person.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 12, 2017 22:04:51 GMT
Yeah I believe this is EA's theme song. The thing about DLCs too is that they are never discounted. Never. I bought a bunch of ME2 DLCs a couple years ago at full price. Five years from now when the sequel comes out and the game is bringing in new fans, they'll definitely pay for DLCs. They won't be paying full price for Andromeda, but EA will get full price for additional content.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 12, 2017 22:35:54 GMT
The main thing here is sales. If it sold enough, (It did) player interest high ( it is) then it will happen. You're pulling a colfoley and presenting something as fact you have no knowledge about... and where is this player interest gauge? I'd like to see it in person. Wrong. There is clearly interest on here, facebook, twitter, gamespot I could go on but you'll just insult me and claim I'm wrong. Also it has been posted many times the sales were good. I'm not going to do what you can do for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 22:39:27 GMT
I like it, too. There was some disappointing stuff that has kept me away for a while but I expect that I'll eventually just accept it and start playing again. If we actually get DLC, I will 100% go back to playing. I'd also be on board with MEA2. It's not my favorite of the ME games. We all know the flaws so there's no point listing them. Some I agree with some not. I figure BioWare will have received the message loud and clear and make sure not to repeat these errors. Still, it's fun. I truly love Ryder as a character. This is definitely lighter in tone than any ME game to date. I wonder if positive feedback from Citadel DLC contributed to that idea, or if it's just that we're meant to be seeing bright, optimistic explorers setting out so colonize a new frontier - hence, they're generally happier, despite the bad stuff that went down in the uprising. Most people never witnessed that anyway. As I recall from the old BSN... there were a number of vocal people demanding a lighter tone than was in ME3 overall. I see it as people just asking for what they really didn't want... and when Bioware delivered it, turning coat and complain incessantly about getting what they had asked for. Overall, I really like the lighter tone and, for me, it doesn't detract at all from the games more serious moments. In my experience, people often try to use humor to deflect feelings to anxiety and strife. There are some off lines, yes... but I think the overall tone of the game works just fine with its theme.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 22:40:18 GMT
You're pulling a colfoley and presenting something as fact you have no knowledge about... and where is this player interest gauge? I'd like to see it in person. Wrong. There is clearly interest on here, facebook, twitter, gamespot I could go on but you'll just insult me and claim I'm wrong. Also it has been posted many times the sales were good. I'm not going to do what you can do for you. Nope - there's a difference between player interest, and player interest being "high" as you originally stated. It's been posted just as many times that sales were poor. You choose to believe what you want to believe - just don't presume to posit them as truths.
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Post by kino on Jul 12, 2017 22:40:18 GMT
Yeah I believe this is EA's theme song. The thing about DLCs too is that they are never discounted. Never. I bought a bunch of ME2 DLCs a couple years ago at full price. Five years from now when the sequel comes out and the game is bringing in new fans, they'll definitely pay for DLCs. They won't be paying full price for Andromeda, but EA will get full price for additional content. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen EA DLC on sale. Maybe when they do a "full game + DLC" deal or something, but not DLC by itself.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 22:43:08 GMT
I like it, too. There was some disappointing stuff that has kept me away for a while but I expect that I'll eventually just accept it and start playing again. If we actually get DLC, I will 100% go back to playing. I'd also be on board with MEA2. It's not my favorite of the ME games. We all know the flaws so there's no point listing them. Some I agree with some not. I figure BioWare will have received the message loud and clear and make sure not to repeat these errors. Still, it's fun. I truly love Ryder as a character. This is definitely lighter in tone than any ME game to date. I wonder if positive feedback from Citadel DLC contributed to that idea, or if it's just that we're meant to be seeing bright, optimistic explorers setting out so colonize a new frontier - hence, they're generally happier, despite the bad stuff that went down in the uprising. Most people never witnessed that anyway. As I recall from the old BSN... there were a number of vocal people demanding a lighter tone than was in ME3 overall. I see it as people just asking for what they really didn't want... and when Bioware delivered it, turning coat and complain incessantly about getting what they had asked for. Overall, I really like the lighter tone and, for me, it doesn't detract at all from the games more serious moments. In my experience, people often try to use humor to deflect feelings to anxiety and strife. There are some off lines, yes... but I think the overall tone of the game works just fine with its theme. I think one of the problems is that everyone is cracking jokes - there's always that one, or handful, of people that are the wise-crackers in a group - only in Andromeda, almost everyone is - it's like they're trying to outdo each other. I didn't mind when it was limited to Joker - for example - but now we've got a team full of Jokers.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 12, 2017 22:48:46 GMT
I like it, too. There was some disappointing stuff that has kept me away for a while but I expect that I'll eventually just accept it and start playing again. If we actually get DLC, I will 100% go back to playing. I'd also be on board with MEA2. It's not my favorite of the ME games. We all know the flaws so there's no point listing them. Some I agree with some not. I figure BioWare will have received the message loud and clear and make sure not to repeat these errors. Still, it's fun. I truly love Ryder as a character. This is definitely lighter in tone than any ME game to date. I wonder if positive feedback from Citadel DLC contributed to that idea, or if it's just that we're meant to be seeing bright, optimistic explorers setting out so colonize a new frontier - hence, they're generally happier, despite the bad stuff that went down in the uprising. Most people never witnessed that anyway. As I recall from the old BSN... there were a number of vocal people demanding a lighter tone than was in ME3 overall. I see it as people just asking for what they really didn't want... and when Bioware delivered it, turning coat and complain incessantly about getting what they had asked for.Overall, I really like the lighter tone and, for me, it doesn't detract at all from the games more serious moments. In my experience, people often try to use humor to deflect feelings to anxiety and strife. There are some off lines, yes... but I think the overall tone of the game works just fine with its theme. Yeah I remember that too before they shot down
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 22:49:02 GMT
As I recall from the old BSN... there were a number of vocal people demanding a lighter tone than was in ME3 overall. I see it as people just asking for what they really didn't want... and when Bioware delivered it, turning coat and complain incessantly about getting what they had asked for. Overall, I really like the lighter tone and, for me, it doesn't detract at all from the games more serious moments. In my experience, people often try to use humor to deflect feelings to anxiety and strife. There are some off lines, yes... but I think the overall tone of the game works just fine with its theme. I think one of the problems is that everyone is cracking jokes - there's always that one, or handful, of people that are the wise-crackers in a group - only in Andromeda, almost everyone is - it's like they're trying to outdo each other. I didn't mind when it was limited to Joker - for example - but now we've got a team full of Jokers. There's those sweeping generalizations you make. Fact is, you haven't played enough of the game to know. You've been shown scenes here where no one is making jokes and yet you continually deny their existence. There are a number of NPCs who are not cracking jokes and many instances where even NPCs who tend to crack jokes don't under those circumstances because the moment is sombre. There are also ample opportunities where even Ryder is not cracking jokes and the NPCs respond to Ryder differently when different dialogue is selected. Sticking to the professional dialogue choices will result in far fewer jokes than continually selecting the casual choices. So stop with the crap about "everyone" and "always" You've played 10% of the game... you just don't know... admit it already.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 12, 2017 22:51:44 GMT
You just can't help it can you. Your name should be Mr. Salty. You don't think those are possible outcomes? Very doubtful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 22:52:26 GMT
I'm starting to think that the aggressive patching process that BW is undertaking with regards to ME:A is delaying the inevitable DLC, much like ME3's Extended Cut delayed its DLCs. I have no doubt that it is. Some of the changes from the last patch were not really necessary. The fact that people are really fine tuning this game the way they have been at this point when the game is still dirt cheap tells me one thing. They have DLC and plan on releasing it and hope to grab more sales because of it. Because of that they are really working to make the game as stellar as they can for those sales so that people will ignore all previous criticisms. Smart play.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 12, 2017 23:06:56 GMT
I'm starting to think that the aggressive patching process that BW is undertaking with regards to ME:A is delaying the inevitable DLC, much like ME3's Extended Cut delayed its DLCs. I have no doubt that it is. Some of the changes from the last patch were not really necessary. The fact that people are really fine tuning this game the way they have been at this point when the game is still dirt cheap tells me one thing. They have DLC and plan on releasing it and hope to grab more sales because of it. Because of that they are really working to make the game as stellar as they can for those sales so that people will ignore all previous criticisms. Smart play. Yea, they been more chatty as well. There have been weeks post launch where there has been next to nothing from their official accounts. There is also San Diego Comic Con next week (specifically for BioWare/Mass Effect July, 21st 3-3:50) featuring Mac Walters, Mike Gamble and Fabrice Condominas. They're there for just a signing, however we haven't heard much from these guys about the state of the game (besides Gamble not sure about Condominas) since launch and nothing from Walters. It seems odd for him to be there just for signings since he hasn't been engaging with the community since launch. His last activity retweet was from April 4th regarding one of the comics- previous was launch.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 12, 2017 23:13:12 GMT
Wrong. There is clearly interest on here, facebook, twitter, gamespot I could go on but you'll just insult me and claim I'm wrong. Also it has been posted many times the sales were good. I'm not going to do what you can do for you. Nope - there's a difference between player interest, and player interest being "high" as you originally stated. It's been posted just as many times that sales were poor. You choose to believe what you want to believe - just don't presume to posit them as truths. Sorry but you are the one doing that. The sales weren't as good as ME 3 but they weren't poor. And now you are twisting things to suit your message.
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Post by armass81 on Jul 12, 2017 23:18:32 GMT
There are puh-lenty of open plot threads that are available for DLC. Since it's EA/BW there will doubtless be some DLC to finish the picture, but I do think that the aggressive patch schedule they've been on might push it back 30 or more days from when DLC usually drops. Yeah I believe this is EA's theme song. Thats the theme song of the whole neoliberalist world we live in today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 23:35:08 GMT
Sorry but you are the one doing that. The sales weren't as good as ME 3 but they weren't poor. And now you are twisting things to suit your message. There is absolutely no point in bothering to argue with someone who cannot accept that the game sold well. There is literally no metric of sales data that supports the conclusion that people like suidoken desperately want to convince themselves of.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 12, 2017 23:43:36 GMT
Sorry but you are the one doing that. The sales weren't as good as ME 3 but they weren't poor. And now you are twisting things to suit your message. There is absolutely no point in bothering to argue with someone who cannot accept that the game sold well. There is literally no metric of sales data that supports the conclusion that people like suidoken desperately want to convince themselves of. There are actually - NPD and VGchartz. I've seen the Andromeda defense force plug both of these as positives, and then revert and deny their reliability when the results aren't what they want. No one really knows the exact number of Andromeda's sales - it's pointless to argue over.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 12, 2017 23:46:04 GMT
Sorry but you are the one doing that. The sales weren't as good as ME 3 but they weren't poor. And now you are twisting things to suit your message. There is absolutely no point in bothering to argue with someone who cannot accept that the game sold well. There is literally no metric of sales data that supports the conclusion that people like suidoken desperately want to convince themselves of. You are correct. I think it's time I Just give up. He contradicts himself more than congress.
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